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Grimy ,

If you read the article, the evidence indicates it isn't her.

Grimy , (edited )

I've seen what copyright abuse can do. I'm not interested in a world where scarjo can issue take down requests on every video with someone in it that sounds close to her.

I don't think scarjo deserves to own all voices that are mildly like hers nor do I think the movie owns the concept of a bubbly ai assistant.

If we go down this path and give ownership to vast spectrums of tonality to every celebrity, singer and voice actor, we will quickly end up with most of it owned by someone or another.

I'm also for open source, so I'm not interested in simping for Scarlet or Altman. I also suggest you listen to a comparison of both voices.

Grimy , (edited )

Its quite obvious it isn't her if you actually listen to a comparison video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ8UVSXnefk

Scarlet doesn't own her whole spectrum of tone, nor do the directors of Her own the concept of a bubbly female assistant. I don't think this is defendable imo.

Grimy , (edited )

The producers of Her do not own the concept, nor does Scarlet. Nothing is referring to the movie other than it's a personal assistant with a bubbly womans voice which is much too broad and general to infringe on anything. Its not even close to being a unique concept either.

Grimy ,

It really isn't where it came from, they are just the current most popular example of it. We literally had Alexa before the movie came out, as well as An de Armas in the second blade runner and Cortana in the halo video game series as notable examples. AI assistants have always been ubiquitous with sci Fi movies, in most cases they control the ship and aren't personal though.

The ugly truth behind ChatGPT: AI is guzzling resources at planet-eating rates (www.theguardian.com)

Despite its name, the infrastructure used by the “cloud” accounts for more global greenhouse emissions than commercial flights. In 2018, for instance, the 5bn YouTube hits for the viral song Despacito used the same amount of energy it would take to heat 40,000 US homes annually....

Grimy ,

On top of that, if you refuse to defend your vague statements implying it would be a waste of your time and beneath you, you end up being always right!

Grimy ,

five 9's or two nines or maybe even one nine. maybe one nine.

This is the first time I hear this expression, what does it mean?

Grimy , (edited )

If it's about having your blog serve as AI training, it doesn't really matter where you host it, it's going to get scrapped and included in the data.

Grimy , (edited )

Several users on X.com reported that, when they asked the search engine how many Muslim presidents the U.S. has had, it said that we had one who was Barack Obama (this is widely known to be false).

By the time I tried to replicate this query, I could not do so until I changed the word “presidents” to “heads of state.”

So they are changing responses on the query side as they go viral but aren't even including synonyms. Yikes, someone is definitely getting fired.

Grimy ,

There are currently a lot of fake screenshots since it quickly became a meme, pretty sure this is one.

Still a fuck up in general on their part.

Grimy ,

Arbaugh says that updates to the chip’s software have allowed him to regain many of the abilities that he previously had and that he is still very supportive of Neuralink and what it’s done for him.

They did try to fix the problem the best they could. Its also a very intense procedure so I doubt it's smart to go back after so little time. It's probably better to wait until they fix all the kinks anyways. The man did enough, he doesn't need to be a debug guinea pig with his head open every month imo.

I'd actually be mad if they used the same guy tbh.

I also think it's important to seperate the tech from the persona. There's a lot of smart people behind this and I think it's sci-fi as fuck.

Grimy , (edited )

Through software updates, they were able to alleviate the problem. They are a bit vague in the article but it's not a total loss and more than he had before the operation.

Tbh though, the real test is how his brain accommodates it over the years and if it starts getting complicated later.

Grimy ,

Llms need a lot of data, to the point that applying copyrights to the training would only let a few companies in the game (Google and Microsoft). It would kill the open source scene and most of the data is owned by websites like Reddit, stack and getty anyways. Individual contributors wouldn't get anything out of it.

You also have to be willfully blind in my opinion to seriously think generative AI has as narrow a scope as crypto.

This stuff is rocket fuel to the gaming industry for instance. It will let indie companies put out triple A games and I'm guessing next gen RPGs will have fully interactive NPCs.

Grimy ,

There's already some open source models from other companies. I also think the requirements will go down with time as well but energy is definitely an issue.

Meta actually released an open source model which jumpstarted the whole ecosystem, anyone can fine-tune a base model now. You can take your favorite hobby, accumulate data on it and build something in a few days and share it.

I just think the good outweigh the bad and individuals weren't going to get paid anyways. Most of the data is owned by specific websites, big publishing houses and the like so I can overlook the infringement issues.

iPhones And Androids Can Now Warn You of 'Secret Trackers' (www.ibtimes.co.uk)

In a collaborative effort, Apple and Google have developed an industry-standard detection feature called "Detecting Unwanted Location Trackers" (DULT) for Bluetooth trackers. This standard allows users on iOS and Android devices to be alerted if an unknown Bluetooth tracker is monitoring their location.

Grimy ,

My gut tells me they only sell in bulk, you can't just request your ex girlfriends dataset

Grimy ,

I used to say the same about cash but really, anything that makes my life easier I end up enjoying.

I whittled myself down from a fat wallet to one card on me and one in my car. I still sometimes forget it or lose it so I wouldn't mind it being permanently attached to my face but don't get me wrong, I really don't need it either.

In terms of data mining, I don't really see what more they can get? Maybe makeup habits for women or eye reflection to see who else is with you but that seems a bit intense. All the financial data, they already have if using a card.

Seriously though, boggles my mind that there isn't more data protection relating to banking. It shouldn't even be an issue, none of that data should be touched.

Grimy , (edited )

They "let the cat out of the bag" by referencing the movie "Her" if I understand correctly. Not really an admition of guilt like the article makes it seem.

They also clearly state on their website that they used an other voice actor. If you actually compare both voices, they aren't the same just similar. They probably went with someone that sounds like her on purpose specifically because of the movie but that's fine really.

This article is emotional and manipulative. I don't think scar jo deserves to own the whole spectrum her voice belongs to just because she voiced an AI in one movie. This is how you end up with corporations owning all voices like they tried with music.

Grimy ,

Just like scarlet doesn't own all voices that sound mildly like her, Spike Jonze doesn't own the concept of an AI companion.

I'm not really sure what your point is, there's nothing to rip off. No matter what they make it sound like, there's going to be similarities with the movie. There's nothing wrong with leaning into these for advertising purposes.

Grimy , (edited )

You don't need an admission of guilt to lose in court.

Currently even if they used voice clips to train a model on her voice it wouldn't be illegal. That isn't currently the case, since they say they used an other actress that sounds like her anyways.

Does Taylor Swift deserve to own a whole spectrum of voice?

No, just like she doesn't deserve to own the four chord progressions that make up her songs. If she did, she could literally sue half of all pop music.

This is why none of this is copyrightable. There are too many people that have similar voices and too many songs that use similar chord progressions.

Your fantasy where this empowers small time artists is just that, a fantasy. If we push and they come out with new laws that make these things copyrightable, you just end up with corporations owning all of it.

Grimy ,

I'm saying practically any voice with the associated bubbly flirty personality is going to make you think of the movie Her in such a context.

Sure they leaned into it for advertising purposes but a tweet referencing it and showcasing the one voice that sounds like her out of the five isn't crossing the line imo.

I think it's a slippery slope to say any AI assistant that has a similar timbre and personality as an AI in a movie is off limits.

As long as they don't infringe by calling it "Scarjo" or saying "From the movie Her" I don't see a problem.

Grimy ,

Ya I get your point, I just think the similarities are too vague and trying to put down boundaries is fool hardy.

Like what's the spectrum of voice that isn't allowed here, how much does it need to differ from scarjo. Is it just because the character was AI. How much does the personality have to differ if that part matters.

Here's a comparison by the way, they are hardly the same imo.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ8UVSXnefk

I also don't think liking the movie or asking scarjo really mean anything if you think about it.

People can get their inspiration from wherever they like and falling in love with an AI is nothing novel, the directors certainly don't have claim to the concept.

In any case, I think mostly it's just hard to draw the line and the line will most likely only benefit corporations and mega celebrities while directly inconveniencing the rest of us.

Grimy ,

Sony and 4 other companies basically own all music. If they can opt out, it gives them a defacto monopoly on any music generators. The AI music is still going to come and artists aren't getting a dime either way except maybe some big names that don't need the money anyways.

There is nothing to be gained from taking Sony's side here. Sony is a pos company that exploits all the artists under it. It will exploit it's data to create more profit through AI, without paying them.

Its either open source AI anyone can run at home or closed source AI that only a few companies can legally run, offered with a hefty subscription fee and censorship.

Grimy ,

Sony is probably working on a music generator as we speak. So it's not like Sony vs AI but Sony AI Monopoly vs Diverse AI ecosystem including FOSS.

I also consider the data stolen in either case, since Sony isn't going to give a dime more to their artists when they either sell the data or come out with their own software. Actually, if everyone owns it and can use it to train, I see it more as sharing tbh.

I guess I might be bias, I hate these fat cat companies trying to strangle new tech so we have to lick their boots while using it.

Grimy ,

If copyrights apply, only you and stack own the data. You can opt out but 99% of users don't. No users get any money. Google or Microsoft buys stack so only they can use the data. We only get subscription based AI, open source dies.

If copyrights don't apply, everyone owns the data. The users still don't get any money but they get free open source AI built off their work instead of closed source AI built off their work.

Having the website have copyright of the content in the context of AI training would be a fucking disaster.

Google unveils Veo, a high-definition AI video generator that may rival Sora (arstechnica.com)

On Tuesday at Google I/O 2024, Google announced Veo, a new AI video-synthesis model that can create HD videos from text, image, or video prompts, similar to OpenAI's Sora. It can generate 1080p videos lasting over a minute and edit videos from written instructions, but it has not yet been released for broad use.

Grimy ,

Why not?

I want to have fun generating my own shows and movies eventually. Just for my own fun. You can literally just not use it.

Grimy ,

Tbh, it's going to be a lot cheaper and easier to use computer vision with regular 20$ webcams.

The only advantage I can see is for the elderly as a warning system, since certain changes in body temp are a precursor to health problems.

This is an awesome product outside of home automation though.

Grimy , (edited )

They don't want them to, they want you to keep using gas.

Grimy ,

It just means there's a bias in the data that is probably being amplified during training.

It answers what's relevant according to its training.

Grimy ,

I'd read that novel. I bet you could find a lot of creative uses for all that rapture talk.

Grimy ,

Open AI isn't posting news articles.

Is adobe to blame because someone photoshopped trump without hair?

Grimy ,

There are way more uses cases to the average person than crypto so that's only natural. There's also a trust issue with crypto that doesn't exist with AI, as well as losing your money when things go wrong.

That being said, I don't approve of this nor adding it randomly to products where it clearly has little use. If people want generative software, they can just choose to install it.

Grimy ,

I meant more a trust issue in the sense that it's hard for people to feel safe putting their money into crypto. A lot of the coins are scammy and even some of the exchanges don't really look legit.

In terms of privacy and collecting data which is what I feel like you are referring too, the general population sadly just doesn't give a shit. Most really don't care about what's being done with their data.

Grimy ,

I think the fact that we are able to record everything that happens and automatically upload it seriously outweighs what you are saying.

The only reason cops get in trouble is only because people are filming. If it's not caught on camera, it didn't happen in the eyes of the law if it's just our word against a cops.

Grimy ,

Video games and movie generation I think mostly. Llms will probably be running constantly in the background in next gen rpgs so players can have actual conversations with NPCs. Voice cloning isn't necessary but you can get better mannerisms with it currently I'm pretty sure.

I can also see celebrities and voice actors wanting to sell their voice. It doesn't require much work and voice actors are talented enough that they can offer personalized characters with different speech patterns and what not.

Grimy ,

Here's the link to the audio if anyone is interested:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WT-2p832IMk

I hope they throw the book at him.

Paedophiles create nude AI images of children to extort from them, says charity | Internet safety | The Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

Internet Watch Foundation has found a manual on dark web encouraging criminals to use software tools that remove clothing. The manipulated image could then be used against the child to blackmail them into sending more graphic content, the IWF said.

Grimy , (edited )

Restricting AI will only kill the open source scene and make all AI products subscription based. Since we are moving quickly to an AI driven society this would give our whole economy to google and Microsoft.

Some of us understand what's at stake.

The individuals doing such actions should absolutely be prosecuted, it needs to be illegal to make deep fakes of someone, triply so when it's used to extort that person.

But if you catch someone drunk driving, you prosecute him for drunk driving, you don't ban cars.

But obviously, if someone says "think of the children", you should always mindlessly give up whatever freedoms they are asking you too.

Grimy ,

There are no seatbelts. Its either cars or only public transport.

Can you explain what's wrong in what I said instead of saying "you are one of those that is against restrictive regulations, therefore are wrong"

We should be very vocal about it, Openai and their friends are. They have lobbyists in Washington trying to convince the government AI is too dangerous for people to have free access to it. They are using the media to dessimate hate and trigger people's emotional response.

Grimy ,

What you are asking for is equivalent to stopping people from writing literotica about children using word.

Nobody is advocating for child literotica or defending it, but most understand that it would take draconian measures to stop it. Word would have to be entirely online and everything written would have to pass through a filter to verify it isn't something illegal.

By it's very nature, it's very difficult to remove such things from generative models. Although there is one solution I can think of which would be to take children completely out of models.

The problem is this isn't a solution that is being proposed, sadly all current possible legislations are meant to do one thing and that is to create and cement a monopoly around AI.

I'm ready to tackle all issues involving AI but the main current issue is a handful of companies trying to rip it out of our hands and playing on people's emotions to do so. Once that's done, we can take care of the 0.01 % of users that are generating CP.

Grimy ,

Babies can literally do this, not impressed

Apple Removes WhatsApp, Threads, Telegram, and Signal from China App Store, says it complied with orders from the Chinese government (arstechnica.com)

Apple said it complied with orders from the Chinese government to remove the Meta-owned WhatsApp and Threads from its App Store in China. Apple also removed Telegram and Signal from China....

Grimy ,

Tbh, I can't really be critical of this when we are about to ban tiktok. Threads and WhatsApp is as much of a foreign propoganda tool for them as is tiktok for us.

Grimy ,

In my experience, most just read the headline. That's why the tldr bot is so important and most subs banning it are just doing the community a disservice.

Grimy ,

The jobs will be replaced by the Indie companies that this tech will help foster. It was fantasy a few years ago to put out quality products that could rival Hollywood or triple A game companies. That gap is quickly being bridged.

Grimy ,

There was a theory that he was paid by a country like Saudi Arabia to take it down, sinces it's a powerful tool for a repressed population. Twitter was very important during the Arab Spring.

I scoffed at it before but it's starting to seem very plausible.

Adobe’s ‘Ethical’ Firefly AI Was Trained on Midjourney Images (www.bloomberg.com)

When Adobe Inc. released its Firefly image-generating software last year, the company said the artificial intelligence model was trained mainly on Adobe Stock, its database of hundreds of millions of licensed images. Firefly, Adobe said, was a “commercially safe” alternative to competitors like Midjourney, which learned by...

Grimy ,

Its really frustrating to see people get riled up and manipulated into thinking legislating to make illegal anything "unethical" is in their interest.

Its a fantasy to think individual creators will get a slice of the pie and not just the data brokers. Its also a convenient way to destroy the competition.

People are getting emotional and they are going to use that to build one of the grossest monopoly ever seen.

Grimy ,

If the image has errors that are hard to spot by the human eye and the model gets trained on these images, thoses errors that came about naturally on real data get amplified.

Its not a model killer but it is something to watch out for.

Grimy ,

It needs so much data that only a handful of companies would be able to train them, mainly google and Microsoft.

It wouldn't go away, we would just have a subscription model as our only option and as we head towards an AI driven society, most of our economy would end up being owned by whoever can afford to pay for the data.

None of that money would go to individuals like journalist and other creators either. All the content is owned by entities like the new York Times, reddit, publishing houses, etc.

Grimy ,

If they didn't, google would own all video data just like Reddit would own most conversation data.

It's a good thing, at least this lets the open source scene be a player.

Grimy ,

They aren't but if they can disregard ToS, so can the open source scene.

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