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irmoz ,

Okular, comes with Linux

irmoz ,

True, my bad

irmoz ,

Mutual aid, free association, common ownership of the means of production, coalescing into a society where people contribute out of genuine gratitude to be part of it

irmoz ,

No, what socialists actually want is for this paradigm of worker ownership to be writ large across society.

And the reason for that is - it is no measure of comfort to be told "mice are well within their rights to enter the lion's den".

irmoz ,

You're not actually responding to my point, you're just reacting

irmoz ,

It's not very enlightened to call entire movements like libertarian socialism (AKA anarchism) just idealist, ineffectual, and to imply they're essentially brainwashed by the US government.

Anti-state movements have a history as long and storied as socialism, and theoretical frameworks for their beliefs far more complex than you give them credit for.

irmoz ,

Capitalism first

irmoz ,

Ancoms have definitely gotten shit done, you just sound salty tbh

irmoz ,

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works

A detailed summary of successful anarchist organisation throughout history.

irmoz ,

An actually ideologically socialist government wouldn't have made them feel the need to flee, and would have done better picking up the pieces

irmoz ,

You're conflating the terms "socialism" and "democratic socialism".

irmoz ,

Uh, your ideas about where you'd find socialism are a bit backwards

irmoz ,

Apparently so!

irmoz ,

I straight up don't believe you.

irmoz ,

Their faces scare me

irmoz ,

And, as I've heard someone else point out - isn't it literally anti-Semitic to assume that Jews and Israelis are, like, the same thing? And/or that Israel is, like, the global mouthpiece for Jews everywhere? Seems a bit reductive, to me... Seems on the same level as thinking the leader of Kenya, or Nigeria, or any African nation speaks for Black people everywhere.

Netanyahu isn't the Emperor of Jews!

irmoz ,

Due to the blame being on a "Jessica", it could be seen as a "woman bad" joke, which is a favourite of certain straight men. It's basically a variant of the classic "women take too long to get ready" trope.

irmoz ,

I think you're the only one here making assumptions and/or getting upset

irmoz ,

What assumptions did I make, sweetie?

irmoz ,

I ask this with full sincerity - are you unaware of the package manager?

irmoz ,

80% of the reason to move to Linux is hating Windows, so yeah

irmoz ,

In much the way I am aware of the Windows store: I avoid it and work to get the software directly from the source.

That is not the way things work on Linux - the repos essentially are the source. It is intended for apps to be packaged and distributed through official repos precisely to avoid the issues you listed, which are more often issues of downloading from sites. Package managers take care of incompatible versions and conflicts. That's definitely a Windows bias my friend :P

irmoz ,

No, it's a different point

irmoz ,

What's the food?

irmoz ,

I...I...I...UH

irmoz ,

No idea, but they're certainly more likely to take advantage of someone who's blackout drunk

irmoz ,

Good for them.

No, really.

irmoz ,

Where is 6 hours defined as the "bare minimum"? Can't find a source backing that claim up

That's enough time for not only many things to be done, but to be done well

irmoz ,

"That part" must have happened entirely in your head, mate

irmoz ,

The creative process necessarily involves abandoning bad ideas and refining to something more intentional

irmoz ,

A person sees a piece of art and is inspired. They understand what they see, be it a rose bush to paint or a story beat to work on. This inspiration leads to actual decisions being made with a conscious aim to create art.

An AI, on the other hand, sees a rose bush and adds it to its rose bush catalog, reads a story beat and adds to to its story database. These databases are then shuffled and things are picked out, with no mind involved whatsoever.

A person knows why a rose bush is beautiful, and internalises that thought to create art. They know why a story beat is moving, and can draw out emotional connections. An AI can't do either of these.

irmoz ,

Not even remotely the same. A producer still has to choose what to sample, and what to do with it.

An AI is just a black box with a "create" button.

irmoz ,

Nope, human plagiarism is still plagiarism

irmoz ,

A person painting a rose bush draws upon far more than just a collection of rose bushes in their memory. There's nothing vague about it, I just didn't feel like getting into much detail, as I thought that statement might jog your memory of a common understanding we all have about art. I suppose that was too much to ask.

For starters, refer to my statement "a person understands why a rose bush is beatiful". I admit that maybe this is vague, but let's unpack.

Beaty is, of course, in the eye of the beholder. It is a subjective thing, requiring opinion, and AIs cannot hold opinions. I find rose bushes beautiful due to the inherent contrast between the delicate nature of the rose buds, and the almost monstrous nature of the fronds.

So, if I were to draw a rose bush, I would emphasise these aspects, out of my own free will. I might even draw it in a way that resembles a monster. I might even try to tell a story with the drawing, one about a rose bush growing tired of being pkucked, and taking revenge on the humans who dare to steal its buds.

All this, from the prompt "draw a rose bush".

What would an AI draw?

Just a rose bush.

irmoz , (edited )

Philosophical masturbation, based on a poor understanding of what is an already solved issue.

We know for a fact that a machine learning model does not even know what a rosebush is. It only knows the colours of pixels that usually go into a photo of one. And even then, it doesn't even know the colours - only the bit values that correspond to them.

That is it.

Opinions and beauty are not vague, and nor are free will and trying, especially in this context. You only wish them to be for your argument.

An opinion is a value judgment. AIs don't have values, and we have to deliberately restrict them to stop actual chaos happening.

Beauty is, for our purposes, something that the individual finds worthy of viewing and creating. Only people can find things beautiful. Machine learning algrorithms are only databases with complex retrieval systems.

Free will is also quite obvious in context: being able to do something of your own volition. AIs need exact instructions to get anything done. They can't make decisions beyond what you tell them to do.

Trying? I didn't even define this as human specific

irmoz ,

I couldn’t have put it better myself. You’ve said lots of philosophical words without actually addressing any of my questions:

Did you really just pull an "I know you are, but what am I?"

I'm not gonna entertain your attempt to pretend very concrete concepts are woollier and more complex than they are.

If you truly believe machine learning has even begun to approach being compared to human cognition, there is no speaking to you about this subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUrOxh_0leE&pp=ygUQYWkgZG9lc24ndCBleGlzdA%3D%3D

Every step of the way, a machine learning model is only making guesses based on previous training data. And not what the data actually is, but the pieces of it. Do green pixels normally go here? Does the letter "k" go here?

irmoz ,

I'm really struggling to believe that you actually think this.

irmoz ,

I don't make a habit of answering irrelevant red herrings.

irmoz ,

Both the astronaut and horse are plagiarised from different sources, it's definitely "seen" both before

irmoz ,

Yeah, I know it doesn't actually "see" anything, and is just making best guesses based on pre-gathered data. I was just simplifying for the comparison.

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    irmoz ,

    Sod it mate, I can teach my niblings

    irmoz ,

    Yeah, of course someone needs to give birth to them. What are you saying?

    And what exactly do you think my world view is? And why would it include discouraging people having grandchildren?

    I'm not an anti natalist, lol. I think those people are lunatics. I just personally don't want kids of my own.

    irmoz ,

    Hand?? I'm even more confused now

    I don't understand why you were looking in the top left

    irmoz ,

    Yeah that's on the planet. Not the top left

    So wtf you talking about?

    irmoz ,

    So why were you looking in the top left? Nowhere does it say to look there

    So why is it a surprise that the planet is not in the top left?

    irmoz ,

    I'm just honestly confused

    irmoz ,

    Why won't you just answer? You're the one dragging this out

    irmoz ,

    "It's not on the left nor the top" implies you were expecting to find something in the top left. Nowhere are you told to look in the top left.

    That's exactly what you said. How did i misread?

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