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geoma , to Privacy in Microsoft has adhered to the European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA) by enabling Windows 11 users to uninstall Microsoft OneDrive, Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft Bing, and more.

I'm not sure if I like this news or not... It's good news for Windows users for sure... But somebody could think then "windows is not so bad" and lose the momentum to migrate to libre software, which is IMHO the future if we are to hope for a non dystopian one.

gun , to Privacy in Microsoft has adhered to the European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA) by enabling Windows 11 users to uninstall Microsoft OneDrive, Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft Bing, and more.
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This should apply to Windows 10 as well right? How soon will this take affect?

jamyang , to Technology in Microsoft complies with EU's DMA, allowing uninstalling of OneDrive, Edge, Bing, and more

How do I, an outlander, get away with removing above bloatware?

Can I login to my VPN, set the server to, say NL and get to delete it?

vojel , to Technology in Microsoft complies with EU's DMA, allowing uninstalling of OneDrive, Edge, Bing, and more
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With all the DMA stuff going around I hope the EU take some real steps to Linux and FOSS in general. I mean come on, I can be root by design and fuckup my system if I want to - this is real freedom, gentlemen 🇪🇺

hperrin , to Privacy in Microsoft has adhered to the European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA) by enabling Windows 11 users to uninstall Microsoft OneDrive, Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft Bing, and more.

I thought they said it was an integral part of the operating system and couldn’t be removed. Are you telling me that Microsoft lied?

InternetCitizen2 ,

They also said this during their anti trust thing in the 90s.

zwekihoyy ,

to be fair you always could remove edge, it just legitimately broke a lot of windows apps

current ,

I can +1 this, a looong time ago I tried uninstalling Microsoft Edge and it made the system go ballistic. Every time I clicked a link, instead of going to my default browser (Chrome then) it would just open a completely broken Edge window with no functionality. Any time I tried to change settings, it'd do the same thing. Anything to do with touching the internet got fucked. I spent hours trying to reinstall Edge, contacting a Microsoft support person who was useless, before I realized that the official site only provides the Windows download for Edge if you set your user agent with... any system other than Windows. Huh.

zwekihoyy ,

you could have used winget or chocolatey as well.

rar ,

The same used to be said for Internet Explorer in the 90s.

delirious_owl , to Privacy in Microsoft has adhered to the European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA) by enabling Windows 11 users to uninstall Microsoft OneDrive, Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft Bing, and more.
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Portip: set your locale to Ireland and dont give windows your WiFi password on install. Boom, you're European.

yournamehere , to Privacy in Microsoft has adhered to the European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA) by enabling Windows 11 users to uninstall Microsoft OneDrive, Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft Bing, and more.

turdware is EOL.

sure some ppl still use myspace, tidal or google search like its the 00s
but lets be real: with the rise of AI it is also tze end of US based services - as meta and google pointed out it is impossible to gate AI.

the only thing that will prevail is FOSS. the later you join, the more likely you'll be the dinosaur turning into a fossil.

over and over again dumb twats keep rooting for their echochamber of stupid and 10 years later they crawl back to society and like drop whatsapp for signal, office CD ISO for googledocs and so on.

right now i think the biggest indicator if being a twat is owning anything from apple. they are currently the biggest stronghold of stupid.
geez, remember my dad rooting for VHS and DVD....put in so much money and now it is worth nothing and everyone knows he was a dumb twat. so see an iPhone user 8 think of how stupid people are.

Scolding0513 ,

i love schizo rants

TheProtector0034 , to Technology in Microsoft complies with EU's DMA, allowing uninstalling of OneDrive, Edge, Bing, and more

What about Windows 10?

drawerair , to Technology in Microsoft complies with EU's DMA, allowing uninstalling of OneDrive, Edge, Bing, and more

"The European Commission has exempted Bing and Microsoft Edge from DMA oversight due to their non-dominant market position."

I wonder if Microsoft's legal department advised Nadella to abide by the spirit of the law (despite the exemption) to prevent possible headaches in the future.

This is 👍 news. I don't use Edge. Google is my search engine, not Bing. 1 may change Edge's default search engine, but I never bothered.

Microsoft has been betting big on ai. They may be OK with "competition", "fair playing field" or "pro-choice" things if ai will give them billions in profit in the future.

It's 👍 that alternativeto.net is still around. I've been going there to find alternate programs.

merthyr1831 , to Privacy in Microsoft has adhered to the European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA) by enabling Windows 11 users to uninstall Microsoft OneDrive, Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft Bing, and more.

That's still a lot less than previous rulings. I remember when Windows was forced to tell users that alternative browsers existed and had to offer download links. I doubt many people beyond experienced users will take advantage of this.

thisbenzingring , to Technology in Microsoft complies with EU's DMA, allowing uninstalling of OneDrive, Edge, Bing, and more

This probably only applies to the Windows N version?

maynarkh ,

Maybe, but the N version was in response of another regulation that was less stringent in enforcement.

If they only do it in the N version, all other versions become prohibited to sell in the EU. I'd guess this is all versions, and the EU region lock is enforced differently.

kokesh , to Technology in Microsoft complies with EU's DMA, allowing uninstalling of OneDrive, Edge, Bing, and more
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Yeees! Edge goes first, followed by Bing

Kraven_the_Hunter , to Technology in Microsoft complies with EU's DMA, allowing uninstalling of OneDrive, Edge, Bing, and more
PlutoniumAcid ,
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Maybe if you all started voting...? For real, dudes, you need to wake up.

jol ,

Be honest. Do you think either of their 2 parties will spend any time going after their own big tech like this? Big tech has their fingers deep into politics pockets.

0x0 ,

There are more than 2 parties.

tabular ,
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In a voting system where they can be only 1 representative and you can only vote for 1 then the better a 3rd party does the more likely the established main party they dislike the most wins.

People know this and still vote 3rd party as neither main party will make the voting system more representative (that would hurt their chances of winning next time).

0x0 ,

There are more than 3 parties.

jol ,

That is irrelevant in the current system.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

A floating point error.

surewhynotlem ,

First. Past. The. Post.

We are trapped

FrostKing ,

It's sweet that you think the average person has an actual effect on the direction our government takes. The only way to get stuff done is mass protest, and we sure as hell aren't getting people to protest deleting Edge when we have much, much bigger problems here atm.

tabular , (edited )
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You imagine a different election result with more people voting, else why say that. So what happens with more people voting? The lesser evil wins? A 3rd party winning in first past the post voting system with electoral college? Maybe you should say something more thoughtful.

PlutoniumAcid ,
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You are right of course - your system is so fucked up that it's not even worth trying, just give up already and hand the keys to Pootin. /s!

tabular ,
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Not my system but what are people supposed to do then?

I can talk to people; explain why the current system is bad and suggest more representative voting systems, but I have no idea if that has an outcome better than saying "you should vote, or surrender /s".

Zellith , to Privacy in Microsoft has adhered to the European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA) by enabling Windows 11 users to uninstall Microsoft OneDrive, Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft Bing, and more.

Finally a reason to change from 10 to 11. This laptop will probably go to 11 for me, but my next PC is probably going to be linux.

Lightfire228 ,

Why wait?

photonic_sorcerer ,
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Because changing your OS is always a hassle, especially if its from one OS family to another.

Steamymoomilk ,
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Sombody need to make somthing like nix-infect for windows

(It lets you turn any linux system into nixos)

Zerush OP ,
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Linux yes or yes, but probably in dual boot for several reasons (Drivers, certain needed soft, etc). The perfect OS don't exist, because of this using both, Windows and Linux is the best choice, depending on the use

RenardDesMers ,
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If you get a PC to specifically run linux, you can make sure everything works well on it and avoid driver problems.

folkrav ,

several reasons […] certain needed soft, etc

snekerpimp , to Privacy in Microsoft has adhered to the European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA) by enabling Windows 11 users to uninstall Microsoft OneDrive, Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft Bing, and more.

They will all reinstall themselves with the next update

wizardbeard ,
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Not if it's for legal compliance.

Oh, sorry. I meant to say "Haha, Windows sucks! Am I right guys? Updoots to the left!"

Cold_Brew_Enema ,

I use Arch, btw

unwillingsomnambulist ,

I thought NixOS was the new “btw” distro.

starman ,
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You asked for it

I use NixOS, btw

Lolors17 ,
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Cool, I use Gentoo btw.

snekerpimp ,

And Microsoft is known throughout the world as an honest company that follows the laws, complies with regulations and keeps it’s word.

Cethin ,

I would say they are known for skirting the edge of the law, sometimes getting in trouble but usually not, or at least nothing serious. They don't outright break it, and the software re-installing might not break it. Whatever happens, you can bet they'll do the most anti-consumer thing they may be allowed to get away with.

BearOfaTime ,

This is why I keep updates disabled.

"Oh no, you'll be at risk!" phhbt. Nonsense.

I've had zero issues from not being updated, but plenty from updates breaking stuff.

Even LTSC only gets updates 2x a year, so apparently even MS agrees.

zwekihoyy ,

what do you think updates are for?? please stop spreading such terrible practices

current ,

these are definitely not the words of a cybersecurity prodigy, i can tell that

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