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quoll , in Cyclists are dying on our roads at an alarming rate - why don't we care?
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"accident"... Like just a little woops a daisy

flamingo_pinyata , in Stonehenge [road] tunnel 'costs £250k per metre'

While the article talks about the legal proceedings it doesn't mention why anyone supports or opposes this tunnel. Like there isn't even one sentence about justifications. Shame on you BBC

grue , in Cyclists are dying on our roads at an alarming rate - why don't we care?
delirious_owl , (edited ) in Cyclists are dying on our roads at an alarming rate - why don't we care?
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Aren't car drivers dying at a higher rate tho? I mean we don't care because the society accepts high risk for the convenience.

Its the same reason you have a shitty password on your phone.

FireRetardant ,

This whole community is about reducing the overall dependance on cars and changing the rules around them. No one here is advocating for more driver deaths, we are advocationg for safer streets that reduce deaths everywhere, drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, kids walking to school, we all deserve safe streets.

technocrit , (edited )

There is no convenience in car dependency. It's a pathetic, unhealthy, wasteful lifestyle.

People accept being murdered by cars because we're raised in a death cult that's literally destroying the planet so a few rich bros can have yachts.

ProgrammingSocks ,
li10 , in Cyclists are dying on our roads at an alarming rate - why don't we care?

In general it’s crazy how people view each other as basically ‘non-human’ entities while driving.

It’s not just cyclists, drivers do it to each other and people on motorbikes.

PedestrianError ,
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@li10 @mondoman712 All the driving video games made driving feel like playing a video game. I grew up playing games like Simpsons Road Rage and Crazy Taxi because I wasn’t allowed to have first person shooter games. All that did was normalize violence of a kind a kid raised by middle class suburban liberals was a lot more likely to commit.

FireRetardant ,

I ran over people all the time in simpsons hit and run, never once did I feel like I'd want to do it in real life. Never did it make news about accidents less shocking because "yellow man in game bounce off car".

delirious_owl , (edited )
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I think its only drivers. Cyclists are usually respectful about not running over others.

li10 ,

Cyclists can most certainly go into a blind rage as well, acting like drivers aren’t people.

I cycle myself and there are 100% times it’s warranted, but let’s stop with the idea that cyclists are enlightened beings that can never do wrong.

Some people cycle around and break the rules of the road like idiots, and put themselves in danger at times.

delirious_owl ,
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You are the problem. Its never warranted to act like someone else isn't human.

Take the lane. Stay visible. Ride safe. Follow vehicle laws.

grue ,

Cyclists can most certainly go into a blind rage as well, acting like drivers aren’t people.

Acting like drivers aren't people. Not other cyclists, not pedestrians, just drivers.

In other words, once again, the fundamental cause of the problem is the cars.

flambonkscious ,

No, it's not the machine we're using, is disconnecting our empathy from that person who inconveniences us

grue , (edited )

No, it’s not the machine we’re using, is disconnecting our empathy from that person who inconveniences us

Exactly: the machine we're using (the automobile) is disconnecting our empathy from that person who inconveniences us!

flambonkscious ,

... Maybe? But one is responsible for their brain, not the car. There's a choice here

hglman ,

No, no these isn't. It's like saying you can believe away an infection.

technocrit ,

But one is responsible for their brain, not the car.

Why not both? What does this even mean? Car brains smh...

flambonkscious ,

...I tried to reconstruct my thinking and honestly, I failed.

Good catch!

FireRetardant ,

A big part of that problem could be solved by properly seperating bikes from cars and allowing as little points of conflict as possible. Then at least car ragers are surrounded by just cars which have some protection for their occupants, and cyclists are surrounded by other cyclists which can hopefully leave the area of a rager. Id still rather someone ram me with a bicycle than a car.

grue , (edited )

https://jalopnik.com/study-finds-cyclists-are-better-people-than-drivers-1850964103

(That's not actually about road courteousness; it's about things like civic engagement in general. Still...)

Razzazzika , (edited )

It's crazy how anyone can view another human in ANY circumstance as sub human

li10 ,

Mate, I’m so high I spent a solid minute trying to work out why you were talking about a human in Animal crossing New Horizons

That’s not even the right abbreviation ffs 🤦‍♂️

Razzazzika ,

Typo meant to say any

Facebones ,

Even if I'm just out for a walk, on side residential roads with no sidewalks but no traffic, people will swerve toward you instead of around you. At an intersection by the interstate and a Greenaway, I get cussed out about twice a month while crossing on the pedestrian signal cause it holds them up for 10 seconds I guess.

On a scooter, drivers flat out play chicken and try to spook you into wrecking.

Tangentism ,

I never experience that when cycling in Europe, only in the UK but then Europeans don't have that culture war bullshit of "the war on motorists" that's leaned into heavily by the right wing press.

rollerbang ,

An Italian (not me) has entered the chat...

What I've seen in Italy has made me 100% to never go cycling in Italy, ever. Only if it's a dedicated cycling path.

Never have I seen such obscene behaviour as in Italy.

LittleBorat2 ,

In Germany there was some agitation against these kids who glue their but to the street so yes it is a culture war thing here as well.

We may have better bike paths here but not great.

veganpizza69 ,
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When you get into a car, everyone nearby becomes, at best, a competitor. Often, an enemy.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/75605982-3e30-4d9c-a1e2-492cb2b2431a.jpeg

It's an embodiment of The Rat Race and of atomization.

sunzu , in Cyclists are dying on our roads at an alarming rate - why don't we care?

Driving a car is a license to kill... Same with the gun.

Somehow these two things remove any personal responsibility from the perps.

There is a lesson in there about race btw

Realitaetsverlust ,

If that's the case, I dunno from which third world hellhole you come from. In civilized countries, you're facing big boy penalties if you injure someone while driving.

grue ,

The United States is a first-world hellhole, thankyouverymuch!

And it will 100% remain so no matter what happens, except maybe if Trump takes over -- not because of him fucking up the country, but because of him withdrawing us from NATO.

sunzu , (edited )

Cute of you to assume the US is a civilized country haha

Realitaetsverlust ,

I don't lmao. My condolences

Takios ,
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In Germany we say "If you want to murder someone, do it with a car". It's infuriating how car drivers get away with it or get incredibly light sentences for maiming or killing people by using a car here.

zelifcam , (edited ) in Cyclists are dying on our roads at an alarming rate - why don't we care?
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  • pacmondo ,

    Never gonna get safe roads for cycling if nobody cycles. Its an unfortunate chicken/egg problem

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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    I guess that's one way separated bike lanes and omelettes are the same

    mondoman712 OP ,

    Gotta have at lease a little bit of victim blaming

    PedestrianError ,
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    @mondoman712 @zelifcam If we’re going to blame people for using badly designed roads, why don’t we ever blame motorists for that?

    autotldr Bot , in Stonehenge [road] tunnel 'costs £250k per metre'

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    A two-mile road tunnel past Stonehenge could cost £250,000 per metre of road - as it is revealed costs so far amount to £166m.The scheme, which was approved by the previous Conservative government, has been met with a number of legal challenges from Save Stonehenge World Heritage Site (SSWHS).A Freedom of Information request showed the total planning spend up to the end of May was £166,230,578.The BBC has been told that £287,605 of public money has so far been spent on legal fees.

    John Adams, chair of Stonehenge Alliance, said it would "make it arguably one of the most expensive roads in the world".

    National Highways, who said the tunnel will remove the sight and sound of traffic passing the historic site, contracted Wessex Archaeology to search the proposed route, focused largely on the two tunnel portals within the World Heritage Site.It hired more than 100 archaeologists, in a contract costing £4.6m to date, to start a year of digging from last spring but the work was halted because of the latest legal challenge.SSWHS argues that cancelling the tunnel scheme would save "at least £2.5bn", having already cost £160m in the planning phase.Mr Adams said he had worked out the cost of the scheme based on the total budget.

    "During the election campaign, the new Prime Minister, Sir Keir Starmer, failed to commit to the scheme and told the BBC that his government would wait for the legal process to end before making a decision about the future of the tunnel.

    Planning permission for the scheme, which is backed by the National Trust and Wiltshire Council and involves overhauling eight miles of major road from London to South West England, was first approved in November 2020, despite Planning Inspectorate officials saying it would cause "permanent, irreversible harm" to the area.The decision was later quashed by the High Court in 2021 after a campaign.However, the project, which Highways England said will reduce and cut journey times, was again given the green light by the DfT in July 2023.The scheme was later put on hold after another High Court challenge in December, with campaigners arguing the legal process by the then Conservative government was wrong.A judicial review dismissed their challenge in February and said the Department for Transport had followed the correct process.The outcome of the judicial review was believed to be incorrect by campaigners, and after appealing the decision, were granted approval to challenge it in May.The next stage of the legal campaign begins on Monday at the Court of Appeal, with campaigners arguing the approval was wrong in law and are challenging a dismissal of their application to overturn it in a judicial review.Mr Adams said: "This is not a hearing about the design or the merits of the road itself, but about whether the Minister was properly briefed.

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    snek_boi , in The Hidden Potential of Cycling in the Suburbs

    Thanks for the tl;dw!

    froots , in The Hidden Potential of Cycling in the Suburbs

    I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Used to live in a very urban place where biking/walking was always super convenient, and now I've moved out to the suburbs. Walking the dog or recreationally is good because there are lots of like paths around, but all my destinations are too far to conveniently walk. Most are like 5-6 minutes by bike though, when they would be the same travel time by car, or longer cause on a bike I can cut through some pathways. Seems wild to me that I'm one of very few people using these paths as actual transportation instead of just recreationally. One downside for my biking around the suburbs, is that all the destinations are only set up for car access. For example to get to my grocery store that backs onto the residential area, I still have to go out on the main road and access that way like all the cars. Would be so nice if these plaza type destinations had a pathway connection to the residential area so I could skip this one unpleasant part of my ride.

    TurtleTourParty ,

    A small opening to side streets for pedestrians and bikes plus a couple bike racks would really improve big box stores for not much money.

    pyre , (edited ) in In this satirical city builder, your goal is to convert walkable cities into parking lots and use propaganda to convince everyone it's what they want

    Park Capital

    Steam link: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3031880/Car_Park_Capital/

    Link to updates on NotLemmy: https://www.reddit.com/r/AutopianAgony/about/

    Link to updates on the Site Formerly Known As Twitter And Still Called Twitter: https://twitter.com/hilkojj

    *Link to the dev on Lemmy (seems empty to me idk): https://lemmy.ml/u/hilkojj@mastodon.gamedev.place

    mondoman712 OP , (edited )

    They're @hilkojj if you want to keep it in the fediverse

    pyre ,

    the link doesn't seem to be working

    mondoman712 OP ,

    I was on my phone so I decided to just assume that lemmy would auto link it for me, but it didn't. So I've added it manually now for you.

    BenchpressMuyDebil , in In this satirical city builder, your goal is to convert walkable cities into parking lots and use propaganda to convince everyone it's what they want

    New genre just dropped, asphaltpunk

    scrubbles , in A beloved palm and pine tree mark California’s center. Now they’re being cut down
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    We asked a group of highway industry experts and they informed us the best thing to do is to build more highways

    xilliah , in In this satirical city builder, your goal is to convert walkable cities into parking lots and use propaganda to convince everyone it's what they want
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    Guess what the last commune I lived in was going to become?
    So, I visited another one to maybe move into and asked around. They said it was also going to be turned into one.

    What's so hilarious about it is that everyone says it in such a matter of fact way. Like: yes, my home and that of my friends will be destroyed, our social group will break apart, and our cultural events that see a lot of visitors will also be a goner. But ya, it's gonna be a parking lot!

    DAMunzy , (edited )

    Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell

    They paved paradise

    And put up a parking lot

    xilliah ,
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    Ya but how do you get to paradise without a place to park your car? Checkmate.

    ICastFist ,
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    And to think that the only unrealistic thing in Victor Vivisector's characterization was that his enemies were furry teenagers (for those curious, look up Furry Force on youtube)

    jabathekek , (edited ) in A beloved palm and pine tree mark California’s center. Now they’re being cut down
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    Why the hell are they widening it? Wait, I bet I know: they want less traffic! I bet they think more lanes = less cars as if the population will always remain constant. If they want less traffic, they should build infrastructure for other modes of transport; but I guess everyone reading this already knows this. Funny that the people making these decisions don't...

    https://dot.ca.gov/caltrans-near-me/district-6/district-6-projects/06-0h220

    The purpose of the project is to reduce congestion by increasing capacity, improving connectivity of the highway system, and preserving acceptable facility operation.

    Yep... imbeciles.

    Construction Cost: $126,860,000

    How much does yearly maintenance of a train track cost?

    PedestrianError ,
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    @jabathekek @Flax_vert “preserving acceptable facility operation” = continue killing & injuring the same number of people we currently are, or increasing it a bit since there will be more people driving on the expanded facility

    mean_bean279 ,

    99 is quickly becoming a majorly trafficked freeway as the Central Valley is rapidly growing due to cheap land, well paying jobs and… a new high speed rail being built right alongside 99. It’s literally all the news about California's “massive waste of money” high speed rail. I’m planning on high speed rail growing the valleys commerce and output due to ease of travel. However 99 is insanely small and has tons of rough patches and cracked roads due to decades of neglect.

    126 million is small potatoes in this state. Especially when it’s likely that state, federal, and cities/counties are also kicking in money for this operation. Madera, Merced, Fresno, that whole stretch is growing like crazy right now.

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