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mlg ,
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KDE should be moved into Android's spot and Android should be chucked further away with Windows.

tinylightshow ,

Omg the Cydia logo. I kind of enjoyed jailbreaking iPhones up until the 4S, then I was just like "Fuck it, Imma try Android" with my HTC One M8 and it's still the best phone I've ever owned.

RustyShackleford ,
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MonkderDritte , (edited )

Gnome is geek-friendly?

And DOS bloatless?

steakmeoutt ,

MS DOS is the definition of bloat from 4.0 onwards. It’s like people assume a CLI is the hallmark of efficiency without any real understanding of the host OS.

moon ,

There's literally tons of desktop environments that hit the middle mark here

Chadus_Maximus ,

... They suck at everything?

woodgen ,

How is Windows user friendly?

Honytawk ,

For starters, you don't need to enter a single command to get a fully functioning system.

haui_lemmy ,
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Have you tried installing literally any debian based system recently? Works without a single command.

nfsu2 ,
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Many other Arch based too, even if it against Arch's philosophy. Just click "yes" and "next" a bunch of times and you are ready.

haui_lemmy ,
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I think the purists need to accept that users are valid too. :) good that some distros seem to understand that.

embed_me ,
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Yeah but last time I checked I couldn't play videos without enabling non-free repos

brian ,

is that not just a checkbox when you install though?

embed_me ,
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It is a checkbox in ubuntu. I don't remember it being there for debian although I used it a few years ago so it might be a new change

haui_lemmy ,
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Yeah no. Thats not the case for everyone. Debian itself also is a little more tricky than say pop!os.

kuneho ,
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editing files in a root desktop session with a GUI editor does count as cheating in this case?

kuneho ,
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

welp, I still need to add myself to the sudo group and sudoers file, and that's something I need a root shell for. (unless I always miss some options during setup to make my user automatically a sudoer)

haui_lemmy ,
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Fair enough. Although technically the system works without that. Just not for long maybe?

kuneho ,
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I mean it's Debian, it's stable, it should work without ever updating your system :P

(though one could always log in as root in a separate session, too...)

Voroxpete ,

You did. If you leave your root password blank it'll automatically add the user account you create in the following step to sudo and disable the root account.

If you want to have both a root account and a user account with sudo, you'll have to do that manually, but that's a pretty unusual setup.

kuneho ,
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

oh wow, I did not know this

but that’s a pretty unusual setup

Nor this, but you are right if I think about it.

Voroxpete ,

Yeah, general practice is to either elevate privelige by switching accounts, or by using sudo. Having both just increases your attack surface to no practical benefit (especially since you can technically still switch to a root account with "sudo - i" even if you're going the sudo route).

kuneho ,
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I used mostly Windows systems primarily and I guess I just adapted that habit of having an Administrator account for when shit goes down, and my own user account that has admin rights.

It's just convenient. I liked my Administrator account as clean as possible, and I do the same in Linux with root. There is its time and place where I need root.

But you are right, I should change my habits. I'm not even sure how sudo and rights and environments and sessions and god knows what works exactly behind the scenes, so probably, maybe, there are technical differences too in the way I use these and the way how I should... I don't know.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

KISSmyOSFeddit ,

To install the current version of Windows on my PC, I need to enter command prompt from within the installer and type 2 commands to disable ethernet and the online install requirement.
Otherwise it won't let me install it without a Microsoft account.

Almost all major desktop Linux distros let you install them with "Click Next until Done" now.

OneWomanCreamTeam ,
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Windows comes already I stalled on the HP laptop your mom bought. A lot of people have straight up never installed an operating system.

KISSmyOSFeddit ,

When my mom needed a new PC, she asked me, the family's computer guy. I asked her what she does on her PC, bought one, installed Debian with Cinnamon, activated automatic security updates without notifications, set up her printer and an ssh/vnc server for remote assistance. I haven't heard of any issues in 2 years.

woodgen ,

Same for Ubuntu, no?

SaltyIceteaMaker , (edited )

The more you look at the diagram the worse it gets. Why does it include os's then wm's then suddenly xorg itself and then an atm??

Edit: also why is there a version of the linux kernel

PenisWenisGenius ,

ACKTCHUALLY it's GNU + Linux.

gjoel ,

I don't know, I think Maeomo / Meego - Nokia N9 was pretty close to ticking all boxes.

Altomes ,

I lament the death of Meego almost daily

Simon ,

Hmmm, no custom bare metal commercial product running linux? Roger that captain.

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festnt ,

linux mint wants to talk

ordellrb ,

I like how the Android logo is: something went wrong

Olap ,

LXQT wants a word

IsThisAnAI ,

Windows +WSL is a whole lot more geek friendly than osx.

mumblerfish ,

What can you do with thw WSL? Can you run a wm for example with it? And if so, can you use the super key as a modifier?

iloverocks ,

So I have to use a windows machine for work. I can't tell you how awsome wsl is. You can use any Linux package on wsl. If you are crasy enough you can even run desktop environments like xfce. All this with nearly native speed.

Of cource things links a KVM aren't possible but nothing is nicer to just type wsl into your terminal and have your Linux distro of choice ready to go

IsThisAnAI ,

Run containers, mount both system volumes without significant write performance, wm, and networking is simple. No idea about super.

I have to use MS suite and this is far than osx bastardized unix and for most of my day to day technical work its essentially Linux built natively into Windows in practice.

olutukko ,

apparently wsl 2 enabled option to run gui apps too so I would imagine desktop or wm would work too, but I don't think it would be possible to enable super key for those without windows registering it too. this is just my speculation though. but traditionally people use it to run linux cli applications etc.

at least my classmates have been using it for classes that require usage of linux. I have never touched it myself since I converted to the church of linux before wsl was a thing

AlotOfReading ,

WSL is just a well integrated VM running Linux. It's mainly intended for CLI tools, but there's nothing preventing you from e.g. running an X server and having programs appear in the Windows "window manager".

The super key is largely inaccessible though. It's tied very deeply into Windows, which is still the one talking to the keyboard.

scroll_responsibly ,
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Windows 🤮

IsThisAnAI ,

👌👍

nexussapphire ,

The only reason that WSL exists is because Windows sucks for software development. I had more fun developing software on macOS and that has its own problems.

I don't mean any offense, it's so much more work to get that stuff set up on Windows if you don't use Visual Studio or any of the other IDE that automated setup. On Linux or Macos it either comes with it or you install it with one command or file, no fuss no install wizard that takes forever no weird setup process.

cm0002 ,

Especially modern macOS, macOS has become...too distrustful of the user IMO. Maybe even as a pathway to getting their user base used to a locked down OS on a Desktop/Laptop for future expansion of that walled garden.

Sure, windows has system accounts with permissions levels above admin, like SYSTEM or TrustedInstaller, like macOS. But the difference is you can take control of one of these "Uber Admin Accounts", macOS does not.

Honytawk ,

The amount of times where I encounter an app being "too old" to run on MacOS, for the sole reason because Apple said so are too numerous.

Nothing you can do then. If Apple says you can't then you can't.

At least on Windows it lets you fuck up and do things that Microsoft didn't intend to.

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