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D61 ,

A man makes blankets and he "works in textiles" a woman makes blankets and she "has a hobby making quilts".

Ghyste ,

This isn't a meme...

TokenBoomer ,

Are you Richard Dawkins?

happybadger ,
@happybadger@hexbear.net avatar

I similarly like that feminist theory of Venus statues. They aren't dummy thicc proto-porn but the perspective of someone who's pregnant looking down at their reflection in a river and cataloguing the most dangerous/important point of their life.

AlpineSteakHouse ,

It makes more sense for the former unfortunately.

The original theory was that it could have been a pregnant women looking down and that's what lead to the proportions. The idea was they wouldn't have been able to see themselves in a river or something. But rivers and puddles, not to mention OTHER pregnant women, were extremely common so it's less likely.

Norgur ,

The crux with all of those "first calendars" (idk which one is meant here, but there are multiple who claim this) is that we don't even know if it's a calendar at all. I mean, if this professor's approach serves as an eve-opeher for some, we should retell it whenever possible, yet it doesn't reflect any of the questions we should ask ourselves when seeing 28 carvings in a bone. Assuming that htis can only be a calendar is just the hidden assumption that numbers 25 and up could not have played a role anywhere else, because ppl were to primitive for those numbers somehow.

Perhaps they tracked how many calves in herd they had, or how many horses they had or how many bows they needed to make or how many children there were in the village. Perhaps they wanted to go higher and track something completely different and only got to 28 before they abandoned their approach to whatever they were doing.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

eve-opeher

owen ,

LOL. I guess if it reads, it reads

Dkarma ,

Some guy tracking the moon.

xrtxn ,

So they nailed it with the 28 day calendar and we are stuck with this one

Carvex ,

13 months of 28 days with an extra holiday at years end, it works so much cleaner than what we use.

Tar_alcaran ,

Yeah, but then how could we make the important months longer than the rest? That would really piss off Julius and Augustus.

Slightly more sensibly, 12 months is easier to synch to the seasons, and calendars are very important to agriculture. 3 months for each season is convenient.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

Thirteen also can’t be divided evenly and is widely considered bad luck.

mcqtom ,

That's just what Big February wants you to think.

huf ,

well yes, but 28 day months dont divide nicely into 365/366 days, so it would not have worked well.... uh, hang on. i'm being handed a note. huh. apparently our current calendar also doesnt solve this neatly at all, and is in fact a patched monstrosity more batshit than anything any single malicious person could come up with. well.

fox ,

Anyone working with dates and times was cursed in a past life. Timezones are a pain to work with. Daylight savings sucks. Some countries change daylight savings at different times. Some countries change timezones sometimes. Go further back and some countries had their own leap days. Different calendars don't form neat cycles and must be manually synchronized every few years. Did you know Easter, for about 300 years, needed to be announced by the Pope each year because it was a lunar holiday based on a Jewish calendar but the Christians followed a different one? Also, every now and again we throw a leap second into the computers because the Earth's rotation is gradually slowing down and 365/366 days isn't quite precise enough anyways.

SoyViking ,
@SoyViking@hexbear.net avatar

I once read that when Sweden decided to switch from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar they didn't do it all at once, disliking the idea of jumping so many days forwards/backwards (I can't remember which way the Julian is out of sync). Instead they opted for a plan to move their calendar one single day every year over several decades. I remember the place I read about it saying that it just confused everyone and the plan was scrapped after a few years.

NuraShiny ,

Let's go with 12 28 day months and the overhead days are universal vacation days during summer. There you go.

huf ,

well yes, the clear answer is to have "days outside the calendar". this is how the hobbits do it too :)

WaterBear ,

What about summer not being at the same time everywhere? Which hemisphere do you wanna favor? What kind of problems do vacation days in summer create in agriculture?

NuraShiny ,

Essential work will always need doing on holidays. Anyone doing essential work gets their free days at other times before of after these holidays.

Good point about hemispheres though. Put half of the days in between December and January and half in between June and July. Since it's an odd number of days (unless it's a leap year), alternate which of these gets one more every year.

HollowNaught ,
@HollowNaught@lemmy.world avatar

I'm confused by this quote - no sane person would assume a male did something just because we say man did it. In this instance, man would simply be referencing humanity

The want to define whether a male or female did it without any evidence is simply sexist

AstralPath ,

Isn't it a shame though that the way we refer to humanity as a whole is by using the specific word that represents only half of humanity?

Its not hard to see how this is exclusionary. Honestly, how many people immediately conjure an image of a woman in their head when someone says "man's first attempt at X"? Male as the default is the root of the issue here. Its not difficult for us to use more suitable language like " humanity" or "humankind".

Sandi clearly isn't up in arms about the language used here, she's just simply pointing out this exact problem. First thought is of a man's work. Only through thoughtfully examined details do we invoke a woman's presence. Men are the default, but why? Many of these ancient cultures revered their women; attributed vast amounts of the success of their people to them and we set up their historic legacy into the future with poor choice of words. Its sad, really.

Fortunately things are changing for the better.

HollowNaught ,
@HollowNaught@lemmy.world avatar

I agree that English is a constantly changing language, with many words meaning the same thing or single words meaning multiple different things. It's the case with the male man, derived from werman, as is such with many other words

But your point ignores what I was trying to say

Anybody who feels the need to specify gender with such limited information is simply being sexist. Neither male nor female should be assumed in this instance

This goes for people other than those in the post; scholars and students should be held accountable alike

Whether these historic individuals were male or female is irrelevant. Only their creations truly matter

AstralPath ,

I get you. All I have to say is this in response: Its easy to say that specifying gender is irrelevant when the speaker is a man. Women have been forgotten or purposely obscured in history books since forever. There's nothing wrong with positing that a woman may have done X. If there's an obvious potential for female context, why suppress it?

OozingPositron ,
@OozingPositron@feddit.cl avatar

He died before he could carve 29.

I_am_10_squirrels ,

Maybe they were narrating it

FoolishFool ,

I'm guessing the implication is they were tracking their period?

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

Never mind anything, making the abstract connection between one event and the number of marks you scratch on a wall was probably the equivalent of genius of the time, the first mathematician.

smileyhead ,

Yeah, no way to know what gender someone had so we just pick one based on our twisted worldview where some gender must be better than other because reasons.

Tankiedesantski ,

we just pick one based on our twisted worldview where some gender must be better than other because reasons.

The only one doing this here is you.

smileyhead ,

In which words did I choose which gender that inventor was?

nat_turner_overdrive ,
@nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net avatar

well you seem upset that an archaeologist suggested it was likely a woman, so something made you mad

smileyhead ,

I am as upset with suggesting it was a man, as some may try to do.
Maybe my comment sounded weird with just the context of the post, but I wrote it also with other comments in mind.

zzx , (edited )

Not sure why you got down voted because you are absolutely right

  • we don't know
  • society ascribes everything to the male

If we defaulted to "he or she (they probably)" then things would be better but we simply don't. It is always the man's contribution and it's disappointing

smileyhead ,

We should have a neologism for gender neutral version of "mankind" definitely.
I am just this one person always pushing a stick into an anthill every time gender is assumed out of preference and getting all the hate from both sides.

steakmeoutt ,

Bruh relax

zzx ,

Lmfaooooo I can't believe you came and found me on another comment. You really do need to relax

Random_internet_user ,

Ah yes one of the memes of all time . Also true af.

GrayBackgroundMusic ,

This is neat, but how is it a meme?

Safipok ,

Cool thought, but why is this in meme /C/ ?

firefly ,
@firefly@neon.nightbulb.net avatar

> "... I thought this comment of the professor was an interesting eye opener."

"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:5)

Having your eyes opened to believe nonsense is the goal of such so-called 'education'. For all we know the notches were a tally of successful hunts or a scalp tally. Or maybe the notches were to allow a sinew or leather wrapping to adhere to the bone, possibly being used as a handle for a tool. And who trusts a mere picture being held up as scientific evidence of anything?

Delusional people like to read their preconceived notions into everything. The eugenics supremacists in the education racket tell you that your ancestors were cave-dwelling monkeys so you filter artifacts through that lens and confirm that your ancestors were cave-dwelling monkeys.

Anyone who believes that man began living in caves and tried to make a calendar on a bone is an neanderthal cave-dweller's son.

MutilationWave ,

Savannah dwelling apes, not cave dwelling monkeys.

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