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Lizardking27 ,

Keeping your cats indoors won't solve anything. Housecats aren't destroying the bird population, feral cats are. If you want to help, volunteer with your local vet or animal control to capture, spay/neuter, then re-release stray cats.

garbageman ,

It will solve for your cat staying not dead, not shitting in other people's yards, and not fucking other cats.

Lizardking27 ,

Maybe, depending on where you live. But that's not what we're discussing.

Paraponera_clavata ,

Not true. Pet cats are about a third of the problem, according to a 2013 nature paper. Feral populations vary a lot by location - some places have almost no ferals but lots of pet cats.

Sauce: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380

TranscendentalEmpire ,

That study's been going around for years in the media, but mainly because it's sensational. If you actually read the article, I'd hardly say it's very convincing, or very accurate. Also, this.

Existing estimates of mortality from cat predation are speculative and not based on scientific data13,14,15,16 or, at best, are based on extrapolation of results from a single study18. In addition, no large-scale mortality estimates exist for mammals, which form a substantial component of cat diets.

Paraponera_clavata ,

I read it, it's from 2013

Lizardking27 , (edited )

"About a third of the problem"
So, not the primary cause (or solution.)

https://doi.org/10.1038/ncomms2380

"We estimate that free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.3–4.0 billion birds and 6.3–22.3 billion mammals annually. Un-owned cats, as opposed to owned pets, cause the majority of this mortality."

The article also states the following regarding more popular studies in the media involving pet cats:
"The magnitude of mortality they cause in mainland areas remains speculative, with large-scale estimates based on non-systematic analyses and little consideration of scientific data"

Paraponera_clavata ,

Read the whole paper though. It has percentages. Just sayin

MissJinx ,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

Indoor cats are not a problem because they are indoors. Outdoor cats thar come inside sometimes are a problem indeed but most of them were not adopted they just apeared out of nowhere and you now think it's your cat. So it was feral at some point or at least was born from one.

BreadOven ,

As Bob would have wanted. RIP in peace, my sweet prince.

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

What's up with comms towers? High-voltage AM antennas are not that abundant anymore. Are birds getting cooked close to high-power transmitters? Shot to avoid interference with crucial military infrastructure? Is 5G real?

n7gifmdn OP ,
@n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca avatar

Well the image claims to be based on data from 2015, so no 5G was not real at that time.

ChaoticNeutralCzech , (edited )

That was a joke, and so was the previous sentence (a reference to the birdsarentreal conspiracy. Seriously, how do comms towers harm birds?

Edit: collisions with tall AM towers' guy wires

Evil_Shrubbery ,

I def have more penguins than windows in my house.

Anticorp ,

Fuckn Microsoft, man!

EvilEyedPanda ,

Bill gates putting microchips in the water to turn the birds suicidal

antonim ,

This reminds me of the anti-wind-energy arguments about the turbines killing many birds...

Xenon , (edited )

On a serious note, the problem with wind turbines is not the total number of birds they strike but the species. Larger birds of prey seem particularly susceptible. Tough this risk can be easily mitigated by not placing the wind turbines directly in their primary habitat or migration paths.

subtext ,

I was going to say, I doubt your pet tabby is killing any California condors at any appreciable rate.

Amazing how easy it is to bias people with data though.

sirico ,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

I know a lot of people don't like Andrew Lloyd Webber but killing yourself is a bit much

lugal ,

Linux isn't even on the list but neither is mac. Makes you think

chayleaf ,

because killing birds isn't a task of the kernel, it's the task of a userspace utility part of the coreutils

Sonotsugipaa ,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The one for appending files to the standard output, or the one for murdering unresponsive children?

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,
/usr/bin/stone
bdonvr ,

UNIX-like superiority

melpomenesclevage ,

Mac is also Unix based. Doesn't kill many birds.

perishthethought ,

3.5 billion birds are killed in North America per year? I didn't know anywhere near that number even existed.

But then again...

Wikipedia says there are about 7.5 million square miles in the US and Canada, so that's over 400 birds killed per square mile, per year, on average.

That's amazing, no?

MegaUltraChicken ,
@MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world avatar

not if we have anything to say about it

-Cats

Justas ,
@Justas@sh.itjust.works avatar

You forgot to include Mexico, but even with it it's pretty high.

perishthethought ,

I checked again and yeah, it's more like 9.5 million square miles, so an average of more like 370 bird deaths per square mile, per year. But now that I know that includes chickens and turkeys, and Mexico and Greenland and the Bahamas, it's OK.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

Misconception. Birdkiller Georg has 3 billion dead birds a year and is also known as New York City

pafu ,

There are more than 8 billion chickens slaughtered every year in the US alone, to give some perspective.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Is the plural for CAT cable really Cats and not CAT cables?

Guess it is like mouses for more than one computer mouse.

TIL.

Fixbeat ,

No flu, I guess?

zcd ,

Cat is a standard util you bastard!

DarkwinDuck ,

Just use bat!

billgamesh ,

it's bloatware

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

It's coreutil

UntouchedWagons ,
@UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca avatar

Why is the bar for Windows as long as the bar for cats?

zephr_c ,
@zephr_c@lemm.ee avatar

Because it's by area, not length.

UntouchedWagons ,
@UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca avatar

It never even occurred to me to consider the height of the boxes lol

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar
Nariom ,

The area isnt the same though.

steersman2484 ,

As are the numbers

ElderberryLow ,

I see no lies

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