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antonim ,

This reminds me of the anti-wind-energy arguments about the turbines killing many birds...

antonim OP ,

Basically yes (though it's probably not a flash game), diep.io

antonim ,

It's going to take a million trouser legs to get some things back on track...

antonim ,

there's only seven stories in the world

There isn't. That's a completely nonsensical statement, no serious scholar of litearture/film/etc. would claim something of the sort. While there have been attempts to analyse the "basic" stories and narrative structures (Propp's model of fairy tales, Greimas' actantial model, Campbell's well-known hero's journey), they're all far from universally applicable or satisfying.

antonim ,

and then it will turn out the monster was inside me all along

antonim ,

Yeah, I'll shill for dbzer0 as the place to host the community.

antonim ,

I kind of find it funny that people on Lemmy are so strictly against owning multiple houses, while it was completely ordinary for many people in my country (Croatia) to own two houses while the country was under literal socialist government (Yugoslavia).

antonim ,

less hate towards those who own several houses

There wasn't hate, period. I find it a foreign and even anachronistic mindset, I'd sooner expect people here to be simply jealous of those better-off. Also, owning several houses, not just two, could be problematic, the govt would probably try to nationalise some of them, at the very least in the early period.

I don't know the details of how it was all managed, housing wasn't definitely guaranteed (SFRY had a rapid urbanisation of the population, and apparently it wasn't easy to meet the demand for new housing), but overall the rate of homelessness was quite low, in part also thanks to the culture that didn't mind large families living in a single house.

antonim OP ,

The former, I'm sure. Maaaybe GYBE had some inspiration on their own, but considering GYBE is (or used to be?) a bit of a meme on 4chan music board, it has to be them that the meme is referencing.

antonim ,

Ehhhh, if you have expertise in ANY field outside of like programming, you can easily test various models and see that they produce a lot of crap. That doesn't require you to understand how LLMs work exactly.

antonim ,

Why of course, I sure can't wait until Israelis genocide Palestinians and finally make the region way more LGBT-friendly, God bless. 🫡

I do have to wonder what do people who claim things like these think of LGBTs who participate in right-wing political parties in the west. Are they bothered by such hypocrisy too?

antonim ,

yo lemming, I heard you like lemmy so we put a lemmy in your lemmy so you can lemmy while you lemmy

antonim ,

anti-capitalism gets classified as a mental sickness

It doesn't. People are making shit up. From Wikipedia:

The fourth revision of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV-TR) (now replaced by DSM-5) states that a person must exhibit four out of the eight signs and symptoms to meet the diagnostic threshold for ODD. These symptoms include:

  • Often loses temper
  • Is often touchy or easily annoyed
  • Is often angry and resentful
  • Often argues with authority figures or, for children and adolescents, with adults
  • Often actively defies or refuses to comply with requests from authority figures or with rules
  • Often deliberately annoys others
  • Often blames others for their mistakes or misbehavior
  • Has been spiteful or vindictive at least twice within the past six months

These behaviors are mostly directed towards an authority figure such as a teacher or a parent. Although these behaviors can be typical among siblings, they must be observed with individuals other than siblings for an ODD diagnosis. Children with ODD can be verbally aggressive. However, they do not display physical aggressiveness, a behavior observed in conduct disorder. Furthermore, they must be perpetuated for longer than six months and must be considered beyond a normal child's age, gender and culture to fit the diagnosis. For children under five years of age, they must occur on most days over a period of six months. For children over five years of age, they must occur at least once a week for at least six months. If symptoms are confined to only one setting, most commonly home, it is considered mild in severity. If it is observed in two settings, it is characterized as moderate, and if the symptoms are observed in three or more settings, it is considered severe.

Is this how you express your anti-capitalist and anti-authoritarian stances?

antonim ,

You're deliberately oversimplifying, decontextualising and exaggerating the symptoms, and it is unlikely your spitefulness and anger extend beyond an occasional comment that you write online. It seems as if you really really want to be perceived as nonconformist and against the system, which is colloquially known as "being an edgelord", and that doesn't count as a disorder.

insane person that needs to be locked up and given drugs

Again, making shit up. Show me where the article mentions locking up the person.

antonim ,

making excuses for doctors to gaslight people into thinking everything is fine and the problem is with them

I'm not making excuses, because I don't intend to excuse behaviour that at the very least isn't typical, and more likely is just made up. As it is, you've provided no reasonable proof the situation in OP picture is typical or even real in any situation whatsoever (a cursory check of what the diagnosis is about suggests the situation isn't realistic), and you deliberately misinterpreted the diagnosis and exaggerated your "symptoms".

What I'm criticising here is a misinterpretation of a particular psychological diagnosis. Nowhere did I say "everything is fine", nowhere did I say psychological issues in general are merely individual issues. That's a whole other story. If I claimed Donald Trump rapes dead babies, and someone came and said that's ridiculous and there's no proof, is that person a Trump bootlicker? Fuck no. So why is criticism of this (as far as I can see for now) made-up idea that ODD diagnosis is abused this way "bootlicking"?

antonim ,

I do get easily annoyed by some people

Right, by some people. Now, if this were a real situation in a clinic and not a persecution fantasy, chances are the therapist would inquire how and why those people cause annoyance exactly. Basically: is your reaction reasonable (annoyed by someone causing you actual harm, non-trivial discomfort, etc.) or unreasonable (annoyed by trivial things such as someone's clothes, skin colour if you're a racist, etc.)?

I get angry and resentful when I think about the current state of politics.

Do you take out that anger and resentment upon other people, in ways which are harmful to them? Is your daily life hampered by those emotions? If not, it probably doesn't count as a symptom.

And I do get spiteful when authority figures ask me to do something ridiculous (malicious compliance, basically)

It is not abnormal to react negatively to ridiculous tasks.

I don't believe that psychologists would count these things as actual symptoms. Probably you're fine and healthy.

antonim OP ,

It's a parody of book covers by the imprint Zer0 Books, which published usually left-wing, memetic and somewhat bizarre books on political theory, art, or philosophy. Their classics include "Capitalist Realism" (you've probably heard of the titular term at least) and "Kill All Normies: Online Culture Wars From 4Chan And Tumblr To Trump And The Alt-Right".

antonim OP ,

The connection wasn't deliberate, I swear!

antonim OP ,

The books are published by "Zer0 Books", and my (OP) profile is on the Divisions by Zero server (lemmy.dbzer0.com). That's what the other guy is referring to, I think - but it wasn't intentional on my part!

antonim ,

The point isn't so much in which browser you'll prefer to use at the end of the day (that's on you as a consumer to decide), but being able to decide which browser to have installed on your PC in the first place.

antonim ,

I've read about Euro-English and discussed it back on reddit quite some time ago, and I have to say I'm very skeptical whether such a thing exists or ever could exist. Fundamentally it's a mis-learned standard English, and the mis-learning is to a large degree determined by the speaker's native language - which varies extremely across Europe. Slavic speakers will have issues with articles, Germans much less so, etc. Consequently there's hardly any definite characteristic of Euro-English (the examples in the article are too vaguely described, and I'm sure many European ESLs would find them grammatically unacceptable too). Perhaps one could speak of a variety of English used by EU politicians and institutions, but those people are hardly a linguistic model for the vast majority of other speakers.

antonim ,

The sort of English you'll see in literature, newspapers, any remotely formal communication, in grammars (which learning materials are based on as well). The stuff learners will aim to learn.

Differences between US and UK English, and the dialectal variety within each of them, is not all that relevant here. Where I live, students are taught British English, but no professor ever chastised us for using American pronunciation or vocabulary. Both are within the range of what natives will find acceptable.

antonim ,

but the rest is perfectly cromulent

"Competences", "planification", "to hop over" (=to refrain from)? Sorry, that stuff is downright grotesque.

Remember these aren’t high school mistakes they’re stuff that C2 speakers use

I can't remember that because the WP article didn't claim that. In fact, if you make these mistakes, you're not C2, by definition.

just as you’ll see American generals writing reports using “less” instead of “fewer”, or “good” instead of “well”, or “who” instead of “whom” (shudder). “was” instead of “were”.

Except that this is language change from within the native community, in their native language, aimed from native speakers at other natives who will understand or (if they don't understand them or use a different variety) correct them. Some of that stuff (who-whom, was-were) is well-established in already existing usage and dialects, it's not an innovation at all.

That’s language evolution, plain and simple, things change as they always have and the language does different things in different places.

I'll repeat myself: no, this isn't ordinary language change, as this "Euro English" is simply a local characteristic of this or that speaker who failed to learn English as it is used by native speakers. 'Euro English' is not a real unit, as it has no defining characteristics. Imagine a European using some calque from his native language while talking to a European who has a different native language and who can't understand the calque - this is not what happens in a normal speech community, these people will fail to understand each other, and their English is not a stable or reliably identifiable linguistic variety. You can see that especially in the table with "Euro English vocabulary", where words are clearly marked by their origin, and they won't be understood or will be found absurd by many other Europeans.

antonim ,

So, I have heard, is Indians using “doing the needful”. Native English speakers using that phrase, mind you. People also get their underwear in a twist over “aks” which, as a variant, goes back to at least Old English.

You're mixing up different topics here. Indians are native speakers, if I'm not mistaken, they've learned that phrase from other Indian English speakers and they use it among themselves with no problem. Same as "aks". These are definitely legitimate varieties, acceptable within those communities, regardless of what outsiders may say.

Where is the community of speakers that finds all these "Euro English" forms acceptable? I'm evidently not a part of that community, because I don't talk as that article describes.

To call the one evolution and the other mistake you need to do better than “one group learned the language at an earlier age”, as a linguist making that claim you’d have to demonstrate that both sets of changes follow fundamentally different laws, or one side follows laws, the other doesn’t.

Well that's very much the point, exactly, Euro English doesn't follow any laws in particular. To reduce the problem to the age of learning is bordering on deliberate misunderstanding. Native English speakers learn to not use "whom" from their parents and their surroundings, they get by without using it, and the linguistic phenomenon is self-sustaining. Non-natives in Europe learn English from their teachers, who (should) have a close-to-native grasp of language, and from native speaker content that they're exposed to regularly (especially the younger generations, who can spend hours communicating with natives directly through voice chat). Deviations from the models (teachers and natives) are not created through communication with other European non-natives. With the people from your own country, you speak in your native language, and you use English for the rest of the world, regardless of whether the speaker on the other end is European, Asian, African, or anything else, and their influence won't be systematic. Deviations from the native model are always a result of the native language (again, we're talking about dozens of native languages, resulting in completely unrelated sorts of deviations), and they are not nearly as hard-coded as the native language; the speaker, if made aware of his mistakes, will try to correct them, at least when it comes to grammar (pronunciation being especially difficult to master).

I would definitely expect a linguist describing a language variety to, to express it more visually, draw a Venn diagram with the characteristics of that variety that the speakers use, and to figure out some common ground, some defining and typical characteristics. If there is no common ground, and I firmly believe there none for the supposed Euro English, then we might at best talk about multipe varieties, and not one single meaningful unit. Like, do you and me count as speakers of Euro English? Do Russians and French count, including those I've heard speaking English so bad I had to ask them to switch to their native language so I could understand them? Does my sister count, who chats with Americans, Europeans and Asians on the regular through Discord? Do the European politicians, with their awkward pronunciation and annoying jargon? These are some very different Englishes, with nothing in common with regards to pronunciation, and, I believe, also nothing with regards to grammar. The WP explicitly narrows it down to "EU staff, expatriates and migrants from EU countries, young international travellers (such as exchange students in the EU's Erasmus programme) and European diplomats with a lower proficiency in the language", which is somewhat acceptable, maybe, except I doubt these groups have actually been studied systematically and compared within themselves and against other Europeans' Englishes.

This is the crux of the issue, basically. To speak of something, you need a definition of it. There's no differentia specifica here, these people do not seem to form a community, and their language has no distinct characteristics or rules (stuff that tells you "me likes to eating cake" is not proper English - to describe a linguistic variety/dialect/language, it is necessary to be able to describe correct and incorrect sentences in it).

Find me a European language where “flea market” doesn’t translate properly.

You mean as a calque? Without digging around much: my native Croatian (buvljak), and Russian (baraholka). In Croatian the word actually is etymologically related to the word for 'flea', but I didn't even notice that it's connected until you asked this, as it underwent a sound change that's rare in Croatian (buha > buva). It also lacks the "market" element. The calque would sound very different and would be incomprehensible. The Russian word can be etymologically explained as "the place for selling old/worthless objects".

European languages have been in intense contact with each other for time immemorial there’s plenty of common structure underneath the differences

An occasional term that's been translated across several languages is hardly an element of common structure. The languages are varied enough not to be conductive to creating a remotely uniform Euro English.

English elsewhere is losing “whom” because monolingual native speakers by and large seem to be incapable of understanding the difference even if you point out to them that they’re using “he” vs. “him” all the time. If your native language is a romance one you might be in a similar boat, if it’s Slavic or Germanic, most of which retain a lot more case structure than English, it’s dead obvious and not using “whom” sounds plain wrong.

My native language is Slavic and I absolutely do not find the who-whom>who-who an issue, as I learned English from native speaker material (texts, mainly) and decent enough teachers who themselves follow native speakers, rather than applying the Slavic case structure to English. Perhaps I'm more inclined to using 'whom' than the average native, but even then I don't use it systematically (maybe I barely use it at all, really, it's hard to tell).

antonim ,

if you have a Danish plumber talking to a French electrician on an Italian building site it’s going to be in English

As you can notice, this is not in line with the definition found on Wikipedia. Also, an Italian building site is linguistically clearly not relevant.

Would the community and the variety of English it uses would be any different if instead of a French electrician you had a Turkish or Nepalese one? Because that's a way more likely situation.

Have you tried to address that doubt by doing a literature review, there’s studies going back to at least 2000

Well, I've just read one of the articles used as a reference on WP. It's based on a survey among 65 Erasmus students (not a very wide sample, as the study itself admits), and doesn't sound terribly convinced: https://hrcak.srce.hr/en/clanak/135148 - finding only a few characteristics to be markers of potential "Euro-English" (and, interestingly enough, noting that some of them appear to be arising or at least acceptable in native English too). If you have read something more convincing and systematic than the WP article, feel free to forward it to me.

Also that’s not how you use the plural of English, or do you mean that each of them speak multiple varieties?

Um, have you done a literature review? Yes, that's what "Englishes" is supposed to mean, roughly speaking, it's a commonplace term at this point and it's odd you haven't heard of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Englishes

Going out on a limb, the Slavic languages are quite steadfast indeed when it comes to number agreement across cases.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand. There are next to no cases here, we're talking in English.

Are you speaking Slavo-English?

Do I sound like I speak it? Are there any "Slavo-English" characteristics to my writing that you notice? Pluralising a language name is an odd thing in Slavic languages too (and especially difficult in my native language, due to the same case-number suffix in Nom.sg and Nom.pl), if that's what you're aiming for. I used it because it's already used in English by native speakers.

You do know you're not supposed to just slap an [area/language family] prefixoid onto "English" and call it a day? There is no Slavo-English just because you call it that way, Slavic languages do have similarities that result in similarly mis-learned English, but that doesn't make them all a distinct variety of English, and there remains a number of curious dissimilarities among them (as I've noticed while talking with other native Slavic speakers in English).

If another linguistic group doesn’t mind that kind of construction and adopts it, might that constitute Euro-English?

(Assuming we're talking about the dubiously grammatical "Englishes" here, which you ascribe to Slavic influence - which is incorrect but I'll ignore that for the sake of the argument.) Probably, though there would probably have to be more than one single grammatical phenomenon that gets widely adopted if you want to speak of a full-blown linguistic variety. But it's all pointless to discuss. In practice, it definitely wouldn't go down as you describe. The linguistic group that adopts the construction should be all or most of Europe, going by the name. And that's not very likely to happen, because many speakers would barely be exposed to it at all (do you really think many Frenchmen and Germans hear Slavs speaking English?), and if they heard it they'd immediately notice the form is odd, not in line either with English as they were taught, as they might be inclined to speak due to their native language, or in line with what they hear of English in general, and thus they would reject it. It's a bit like the "would you still love me if I were a worm" sort of question.

antonim ,

https://github.com.shadyurl.click/bitcoin-8e5e9c-isis_registration_form-3cddce-facebook.com-adbc6b-roblox-0a0c87-win_$100_000_000-d9868c-download-92597d-malware-67111e-botnet-bb4729-windows_crack-94867d-meth-88214e.docx.zip

I like that it includes "facebook.com" right next to "ISIS registration form".

antonim ,

I thought Jesus was the typical goal?

antonim OP ,

Not AI (existed back in 2022), but now that I look at it more closely I see it's at least partly photoshopped, as the comments on reddit point out. :(

antonim ,

The original sub was r/195, as it was started by roommates whose room number was 195. Then later for whatever reason appeared the spinoff r/196 and got more popular than the original.

Like I'm 80% sure that this is how it happened and that it's not semi-made-up by myself because I misremember the story...

antonim ,

I'm really hooked to this sub

antonim ,

Do people actually enjoy seeing those pictures? I can sort of understand generating them for shock value, but finding them erotic or pleasing??

antonim ,

Well I've seen a few in passing. They just look like any other AI "art"/porn.

antonim ,

How can a website be trendy if nobody could use it until now?

antonim ,

But what do the residents of Alaska have to say? Are they doing fine? Would they be doing better if they were back under US?

antonim ,

No one asked the Chinese natives originally there if they wanted to separate from China.

Ok, but has anyone asked them anything now?

antonim ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abjad

antonim ,

At this point I'm impressed by how much effort Twitter devs must've have put into making the site shittier and less accessible.

antonim ,

Unironically Facebook is fairly reliable for what you're describing. It nags you with a login popup regularly, but beyond that everything important is readable even without an account.

antonim ,

That's not how sarcasm works.

antonim ,

Let's be honest people's brains absolutely can turn off when they appear on a quiz. It's a weird and stressful situation. Especially if you remember that all of your mistakes will be broadcast to millions of people and commented on and intensely scrutinized.

antonim ,

Nothing. Though I don't think there are any special requirements for one to be in the audience anyway.

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