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nickwitha_k ,

Hey now. That "emerald mine in apartheid South Africa" but is not true at all. He benefited from being the son of a rich white guy in apartheid South Africa. The emerald mine was in Zambia. He materially benefited from colonial rule in TWO countries.

yogthos OP ,
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touché

hanrahan ,
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where_am_i ,

Most of you would've failed even with those starting conditions.

If you think you can build a billion-worth company, go and do it. VC money can be secured these days with a half-assed power point presentation. You won't be owning your entire company and someone will make even more money than you, but in just some 10 years you'll make yourself and someone else a few billions. Then you'll have a billion or so in starting capital and you can go become the richest human in existence. Clearly, if you're capable of all those things, you should be already on your way to success instead of complaining on the internet.

The socioeconomic usefulness of the system allowing for such lifepaths has not been debated. Instead the message enviously pointed out that becoming rich is only possible by being rich in the first place. My argument is that if you're capable of taking less than a mil and making billions, there's a system in place already that will allow you to do just that and become famously rich in the process. So, your complaint is invalid. And you're not anti capitalism, you're just jealous.

yogthos OP ,
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Nothing more hilarious than billionaire simps.

xthexder ,
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The main thing sitting between me and being a billionaire is my conscience and moral values. I'm of the opinion that to become a billionaire you must necessarily have psychopathic tendencies.

For example: No way I could stand up on stage and bullshit my way through a Cybertruck reveal knowing it's all lies and unfinished ideas.

yogthos OP ,
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Not just billionaires, there's research showing that a high percentage of senior executives are likely to be psychopaths. Capitalist system selects for this behavior. People who are willing to lie, cheat, and step on others, are the ones that are rewarded and get ahead. Honest people with morals get filtered out along the way because they aren't willing to do what a psychopath would do to succeed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephaniesarkis/2019/10/27/senior-executives-are-more-likely-to-be-psychopaths/

where_am_i ,

I'm pro universal basic income and a 99% tax after something around a few mil of annual income. I'd generally advocate for a societal system where such wealth accumulation by an individual is impossible.

"Lefties" like you make me sick to my stomach. You can only whine your jealous tears and complain about the housing market. You're the reason everyone thinks the left are a bunch of idiot kids in colorful clothes. In a utopic communist society you'd be leeching off while whining about how everyone keeps working even though it's clearly unnecessary.

yogthos OP ,
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You must've used the power of both your brain cells to write that comment.

triplenadir ,
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cool, I'll go make a powerpoint, can you also give me the necessary:

  • parents with spare $600k+ (inflation-adjusted from 1994 when Amazon started) to give me to build a prototype
  • rich &/ or influential friends, from my family and my expensive education
  • expensive education
  • etc

Signed, someone who thinks it is unhealthy for society for any one person to have the equivalent of a billion dollars

davel ,
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Ghyste ,

Not a meme...

yogthos OP ,
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when you definitely know what the word meme means

Ghyste ,

Imagine using the pre-internet definition of meme as an excuse to dump every flavor of garbage into one community...

yogthos OP ,
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aww, little muffin is seething and coping

shiftymccool ,

pre-internet definition of meme

Jesus wept

where_am_i ,

we got enough political BS all over the platform. But sure, I guess people who don't want to see repeated "capitalism bad" in every community in every post should just leave lemmy.

yogthos OP ,
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

where_am_i ,

wow, look at this welcoming community. 4/1 to this guy.

I understand, you democratically represent lemmy. Be happy in your echo chamber.

yogthos OP ,
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you're not the main character kiddo, get used to it

where_am_i ,

says you, lmao

yogthos OP ,
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I'm not the one running around crying that everybody isn't catering to my whims here kiddo

davel ,
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Your account is as old as mine. By now I’d think you’d know better.

Oh right, we had this conversation just last week: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/11375618

So I shouldn’t expect you to know anything.

davel ,
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Appropriate username is appropriate.

izutsumi-idea !nonpolitical_memes

You know where the block button is.

Gorillatactics ,

The only self-made man I acknowledge is Philip J. Fry.

Doxatek ,

Bet he didn't animate himself smh he owed his success to the story board artists

JohnBrownNote ,

um ackshually Musk's dad was only part-owner of that mine, so we give this two pinocchios

lobut ,

I'm too tired to look it up, but I remember someone saying that resilience or grit was one of the best indicators of success. Someone replied that actually the best indicator of success is if you came from wealth.

yogthos OP ,
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loonsun ,

Also grit is an over hyped and under delivered construct of human cognition that really is only spoken of seriously nowadays by people trying to sell you something

https://www.apa.org/news/apa/2020/gritty-truth

funkless_eck ,

grit makes me think of Bukowski novels like Post Office. Just a bunch of dudes laboring to look like they're working hard to please the boss, rather than to do the labor.

xthexder ,
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Personally grit makes me think of literal sand. Or dirt in general. It's something you wash off the first chance you get. Not exactly something to be celebrated.

MonkeMischief ,

Lol sure, resilience and grit are great markers of success!...Provided you can afford enough resilience and grit until you succeed! Lol

deathbird ,

I'm sure grit + wealth is far better than either alone. It's really probably grit + wealth + connections + luck.

NationProtons ,

Grift + wealth works even better.

reverendz ,

As Ann Richards so succinctly put it: born on 3rd base, thought he hit a triple.

10_0 ,

That's how generational wealth works

Aurenkin ,

The whole concept of the self‑made man or woman is a myth

- Arnold Schwarzenegger

refalo ,

what do you mean by that?

KoboldCoterie ,
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