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gnuplusmatt ,

TLDR - Steam is shit because it's still 32bit?

Xatolos ,
@Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

More like it's because it doesn't support Mac as much as they want them to.

MachineFab812 ,

More like, if the Steam app ever goes 64bit, watch out. A non-shittified app like so should never require 4gb+ of RAM or anything more complicated than a 32bit instruction set.

not correcting you on the contents of the article or anything, just that 32bit is nothing close to a mark against the Steam app.

Zangoose ,

Isn't supporting 32-bit apps on a 64-bit OS a security concern though? I thought that's why some linux distros were disabling 32-bit repositories by default on their 64-bit versions

jarfil ,
@jarfil@beehaw.org avatar

Not by itself.

Distros are shutting down system 32bit repos, because they require effort to be maintained: people who patch possible security holes, and people who test and package them. As most people have switched to 64bit systems, developers are no longer maintaining 32bit versions, no longer patching them, and barely anybody cares to check or run them, so any possible security flaws can slip through.

This is all irrelevant if you run stuff in a VM, or a container: so it has a security flaw? Cool, let it get... nothing, it's contained.

Games running in a contained Wine, or in a OS container, can have all the security flaws they want, who cares. Games also rarely get security patches, or any kind of patches at all, so running them contained should be standard practice anyway.

MachineFab812 , (edited )

32-bit apps use a sub-set of the same instructions that still exist on current 64-bit systems. Running 64-bit alone does nothing to eliminate any flaws, real or imagined, from the 32-bit side of things.

As @jarfil@jarfil has stated, 32 bit repos are being de-listed because no one can be bothered to maintain them(on a professional, full-time basis), and that lack of code/functional review could allow flaws to slip through. Meanwhile, a lot of those same 32-bit repos continue to exist(as community-maintained versions - my preferrence anyways) and can be accessed by interested users from most distros. They aren't blocked, just de-listed and unsupported by those distro maintainers.

Zangoose ,

Thanks for the explanation! I didn't realize it was mostly a maintenance limitation, I thought maybe 32-bit instructions could be an extra attack vector on a physical CPU instruction level or something like that.

Vodulas ,

Just weird aside, but the meme they use as an example implies that you have to pay to add friends on steam, and that is just a weird example to use.

wahming , (edited )

This is why beehaw needs downvotes. Crappy submissions like this article that don't make any sense

Edit: OP has been spamming his nonsense across multiple communities, and has hundreds of downvotes on each of them. Except here on beehaw...

exanime ,

Thank you.... I was reading and thinking "this makes no sense... Does the author know what a monopoly actually is??"

Templa ,
@Templa@beehaw.org avatar

No, Beehaw doesn't need downvotes.

derbis ,

I think it's fair to acknowledge that everything is a trade-off, and without downvotes, we have to accept the downsides.

Railcar8095 ,

Might be due to my instance, but I see downvotes. Not nearly enough as it should have after reading the article though.

BreakDecks ,

fwiw, OP wrote the article himself and then spammed it to lots of different instances. Definitely worth blocking this spammer.

onlinepersona , (edited )

You forgot the Mac

Lol, fuck Mac. If Apple cared about gaming, they wouldn't have created Metal and collaborated on Vulkan. Fuck them. Valve went with Linux because they can change it to fit their needs. Can't do that with Apple.
Microsoft is only supported by Valve because it has large marketshare and can't be ignored, but it's clear that Valve is doing everything possible to get away from them: see Steam Deck.

In general, I agree with Steam wielding too much power and if they abused it, I'd be out. I have my gaming hours and can live without gaming no problem. They wouldn't get any more money from me as soon as they enshittified.

What would get me away from steam is an opensource gaming store with games that have no DRM and are predominantly opensource. Or another gaming store that worked on Linux and allowed playing games with my other linux buddies.
Get us that and I'm out.

Anti Commercial AI thingy
flora_explora ,
@flora_explora@beehaw.org avatar

I 100% agree

Someonelol ,
@Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Have you considered gog? They may not be betting heavily on Linux or have as a big of a selection but their games are DRM free. You can even install gog Galaxy, a game manager similar to Steam.

onlinepersona ,

Doesn't seem like GOG galaxy is for linux

GOG GALAXY 2.0 Open Beta is available for Windows and Mac. Please download the installer on your PC.

That's a disappointment, but Heroic Launcher is. I'll give it a shot and see if there are new games on there for me. The name "Good Old Games" gave me the impression it was for stuff like boomer shooters or side-scrollers and stuff.

Anti Commercial AI thingy
lightstream ,

Heroic works really well. I've just installed it myself recently, motivated mostly by a desire to finally play the free games I got off Epic. I've only installed two EGS games so far - Civ 6 and Guardians of the Galaxy - but they're working perfectly, running via proton.

The experience is so good I was actually inspired to buy my first game outside of steam in years, namely Wartales which I just bought yesterday on GOG. Installation is a breeze, it runs under proton, and as far as I can tell it is running perfectly.

I sort of prefer Heroic to Steam in fact, because it starts almost immediately - no waiting around for 30 seconds while it tries to connect to the Steam network etc

onlinepersona ,

Add it to configuration.nix 👼 Thanks for the review.

Anti Commercial AI thingy
pythonoob ,

Lol at the last section of the article. Valve is actually bad guys! Just trust me!

Valve won't stay that way forever—the company is not immune to the pressures of capitalism, and there are already examples of anti-consumer behavior.

Eventually, the bomb will go off, and the full 'enshittification' of Steam will commence.

Auzy , (edited )

Lemmy has gotten to the point everything is getting classed as enshittification or whatever

It's actually getting crappy being here

Like the whole section about macos. Apple constantly screws developers, and somehow, the author has seemed to blame Valve lol. There's a lot of reason lots of people don't develop for Mac, and they're mostly valid rather than political

Or GitHub. In the real world, developers don't have any issues. Only in Lemmy, where people are even focusing on stupid things, so a barely visible unobtrusive sentence on a table mentions copilot lol

Sho ,

It's like people are posting that BS content to bring the mood down here on purpose.

muhyb ,

Apparently people at beehaw don't have downvote button, kinda explains this situation. The very same article on lemmy.ml is at -56 votes (at least that's what seems to me).

graff ,

Lemmy has gotten to the point everything is getting classed as enahittification or whatever

You could say that the discourse around enshittification has become enshittified

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

The article in no way describes any actions taken by Valve that leads me to believe there is any impending enshittification. They simply have made decisions, a lot of which they have stuck with for many years.

Enshittification has to do with bait and switch, effectively. It’s luring customers into a false sense of loyalty and then abusing that to their financial gain (see: Reddit and Spez from 2023).

The article basically says “there are some decisions by Valve I like, and some I don’t.” That in no way provides any path toward some bomb going off. Perhaps time will prove the author right, of course, because any company can easily decide to screw over their customers, but the article is click-bait and completely speculative as to what may happen.

And due to all of the above, I think the bomb is about to go off where elephants will fly out of my refrigerator and steal my soda.

ninjan ,

I don't know why the article doesn't bring up Valve being the company to bring loot boxes and that business model to gaming as the prime example. Valve earns extreme money from the skins market and gambling in CSGO / CS2 since they sell the keys and take a cut of trades as well. They're far more concerned with money than actually caring for the people involved. Gambling ruins lives and Valve is the gambling company that faces by far the least vitriol in that horrendous crowd.

Faydaikin ,
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

Probably because Valve doesn't make games anymore. Not on any serious level anyway.

Most of their games are old as hell, and most of them where in the "proof of concept" relm. They only really made games to push the technology they were working with.

It'd be a poor argument to bring up their old catalog of games from 20 years ago as something that made them a worse company today.

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