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My opinion on Bone conduction earphones

(Sorry if it's a miss, this community looked the most fitting)

After mentioning them somewhere in comments, I actually bought Shokz after years of sitting curious. There are a few brands that do them, so it doesn't matter what's the brand is. I bought what I've heard of and the cheapest model I could find at that.

So, what's the trick? As I'm cycling, walking and running a lot, I needed a headphone solution to be aware of my surroundings. They don't cover ears and don't actually emmit sound - they vibrate and make your bones serve as a membrane.

The obvious minus is that in a bus or other loud setting you can't hear shit. That's by design. And, logically but somehow absurdly, by shutting your ear with a finger, you can make yourself hear it okay. I did a full circle here, returning to the old headphones isolation problem, heh.

But what impressed me more, they do feel like some kind of a cyberpunk prosthetic. You can wear them all day and even the cheapest one that promises 6hr of activity lasts days on the idle. But as you call someone or watch a vid – here they are, with a little to no latency. Honestly, I feel like if there'd be implants, that's one of the basic ones we can try first. It's hands-free device with a bonus of being more stealthy and not isolating you from the world.

As a cheapskate audiophile who stayed with cords for a long time, I can say that the sound is okay. Keeping in mind that producers can't control the skull of a wearer, they can't nail the ideal sound, but I'm impressed with how nice IDM and metal plays on them - something akin to budget Senh, AKG and Audiotechnica. And unlike cheap Sony, they don't put up low freqs, that's a plus. BUT when I shared it with others, people in body reported less effectiveness due to thickness of skin and under-dermal stuff, so it's better to test it if you aren't skinny as a skeleton.

After being so open about plus sides, I'm to talk minuses. Since the software is proprietary, it doesn't have many controls and is very weird sometimes. As I bought a model that was for internal chinese market originally, it talked to me in Chinese, and it can only be switched to another language before any pairing, so only after unpairing I could've chosen English – and the same combination of button presses when paired was reserved to calling the last called number, so I fucked up a lazy weekend morning for a friend of mine calling them 4-5 times, damn it. Ah, and it supports dual pairing with a PC and a smartphone, but as I tested it this function worked weird and I sometimes manually disconnected them. Walking&working distance from a source device is around the second or third room, that fits most office and home listening cases. I could've probably wished for it to have an option to pick lesser distance since I don't usually have even a meter between my smartphones and them.

Ah, and going back to the bus problem - the obvious downside that you want to turn them to 100% volume that you don't feel, but your ears do. After the first day when I needed to move a lot in loud contexts and thus put them on max, I had a headache, because although I didn't register the volume, my head had a first row concert experience. So if you use these, keep that in mind too.

Have you tried them, is there a topic I haven't covered? As you can tell, I'm happy with them, so I would be biased. It's just with VR stuff, even from Apple, I feel like we underlook existing tech that already serves us as expander of our life experiences and powers.

GBU_28 ,

I wear these things constantly. I love them for running, and for work from home.

For meetings I feel my voice feels more natural with my ears open. I can pair my phone and laptop, and go from my desk, with music and or meetings, to my couch and watch a video on my phone, or go for a walk with an audiobook without even thinking about it. I regularly get 8+ hours out of them.

I do use my MacBook pros microphone, I've had comment from a coworker that the headphone mic sounds tinny to them, but they do offer one with a more dedicated mic.

On airplanes I put in earplugs, throw these on with some ambient sounds and sleep like a baby. Very easy. Same with mowing the lawn

Big fan.

daq ,

Which ones do you have specifically?

GBU_28 ,

Shokz open run I think

psycho_driver ,

I regularly get 8+ hours out of them.

That's better than a lot of earbuds but if battery life for your bluetooth headset is important I don't think you can do better than these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B3JG7T4D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

I bought a set Aug 2022 and I use them 8 hours a night at work for 5-6 days a week (lots of O/T shifts) and I still go over a month between charges. They sound pretty good, too.

Jonnynny ,

I've been using my Shokz OpenRun headset almost everyday for the past 6 months and I love them for lots of things but they dont replace earbuds/headphones completely.

I work in a machine shop and it's important to be able to hear machines and things happening around you. Most shops don't allow earbuds or headphones for that reason. Our machines aren't too loud so it doesn't drown out the sound but these definitely won't work in a loud environment unless you wear earplugs but then that defeats the purpose.

Great for audiobooks, podcasts, and music that doesn't have a lot of bass. I mostly listen to punk and metal and it's fine for that. I can even listen to hip-hop and not expect some kicking bass.

I tried to use them for PC gaming and they just crackled during explosions and could not handle that. So I don't use it for gaming.

Having hands free conversations with people is definitely a plus. I did some testing with my wife and she could not tell a difference in volume or on quality between using the headset and talking regularly on the phone.

Battery life and comfort are great. Sometimes I forget I'm wearing them if they are just idling on my head. With mixed use on and off all day, the charge lasts several days for me. If I was to listen to something constantly, I think I'd get more life out of a charge than I have waking hours in the day.

One thing that bothered me at first is at the highest volume, I can feel a tickle on the skin where it rests. I usually only have them up when that much when ambient noise is a bit high and then I dont notice it as much. But I'm also used to it now so it's not as bad.

Be careful with cheap sets. My wife got a cheap pair on Amazon with "good ratings" and it was awful. It was basically earbud style speaker/drivers that were up against your skin and it was terrible.

realitista ,

I've been giving these more and more of a thought lately. I like the idea that you can just leave them on and not worry about taking them out to hear things.

Only question. Can people near you hear them at all? Like on a plane?

ace_garp , (edited )
@ace_garp@lemmy.world avatar

In a quiet setting, with the headphones raised to 70-100% volume, people within 1-2m will be able to make out what you are listening too.

(This is with Aeropex from Aftershockz/AKA Shockz)

Keep in mind, at 100% volume they buzz and tickle on your skin, so I never have them set to 100% ever.

60-70% is clear enough for enjoyable listening.

ace_garp , (edited )
@ace_garp@lemmy.world avatar

A note about the Aeropex (and possible other Aftershockz/Shockz models) is that the volume-adjust-beep and bluetooth-connect-voice is very loud and cannot be adjusted.

mostNONheinous ,

This is my one true complaint, I have tinnitus already and that beep including the volume beep are what feels like 2-3 times louder than I ever have the volume set.

ace_garp ,
@ace_garp@lemmy.world avatar

I try to connect it before putting on my head. Also, to pull the pads off ear or put the whole thing around neck, before doing a volume change.
For an absolutely amazing headphone experience, this is a regrettable annoyance.

Evotech ,

Yeah I did send them a message about that. Please fix in next firmware version lol

realitista ,

So at normal listening volumes no one can hear, but it sounds like normal listening volumes aren't good enough for a plane?

korazail ,

I've combined these headphones with earplugs for a plane trip. Engine roar overpowers the sound for bone conducting headphones the same way it does for earbuds or headphones that don't isolate. You might still need to crank the volume up, though. Planes are loud. No issue of other people overhearing it at that point though.

lucas ,
@lucas@fitt.au avatar

@realitista @andrew_bidlaw they're really not good in loud places like a plane (for you) in my experience the person you're on a call with will hear you just fine, but being open-ear designs they just can't compete with jets.

They are very good for having background music going in offices and such - you can hear it, but you can have conversations over it without any trouble

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

From my experience it's not louder on max volume than simple earbuds put out of ear. They have metal details, so they do serve as little membranes, but I don't find them significant. I'm listening to a lot of problematic stuff on a daily basis and didn't have any weird looks. Most people didn't even recognize I'm listening to something in a calm office setting.

uid0gid0 ,

I have the H2O Audio and they work pretty much the same. I got this pair for listening to music while I swim and they are fantastic for that. They last a long time on one charge and loading songs is easy as plugging it in to a computer. Another reason I got these is because occlusion sounds really bother me. I also carry some of those cheap foam earplugs for really noisy environments like plane flights. The foam earplugs don't have nearly the same occlusion sounds and they block enough noise that you can hear the induction.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Haven't heard of this brand. Sounds fitting for your usecase.

Loading songs – you mean they act as a player themselves?

uid0gid0 ,

Yes it has some storage built in, enough for about 10 songs. Water blocks em signals quite well so you couldn't use Bluetooth with any reliability in the water. The mic on these is garbage however, probably because of the waterproofing.

mp3 ,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

I use cheap-ass ones I bought on AliExpress when I need to wear earplugs like mowing the lawn or using the snowblower.

They're doing the job at least.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

What else we need from them anyway? (:

geography082 ,

Have these Chinese devices been tested / approved by any reasonable governmental health organism?.

Dkarma ,

They're headphones not nukes. Calm down grandpa

geography082 ,

Don’t give Americans ideas dude, they will nuke away everyone’s head. Ah sorry they dead it already :D

Dariusmiles2123 ,

Well since it’s apparently something using your bones to conduct sound, I’d say it’s legitimate to ask if it’s safe or if it can lead to long term harm.

Same with all the waves emitted by phones, earbuds, WiFi, etc..

exanime ,

I doubt you could buy headphones today that are not "Chinese devices"

geography082 ,

Just add it designed in California and it is good

wagoner ,

Health organism? You mean a human being?

geography082 ,

No, hamsters

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

In this very post I pointed out that you don't register the volume if there's a loud noise around you, that can cause headaches. As people buy them from official stores, I guess they are as safe as usual headphones. And this problem is usually dealt with on source device's end – my chinese phone shows a notification if I exceed the recomended volume and if I use headphones for too long.

Poem_for_your_sprog ,

If it's Bluetooth then the sound is bad. But that's okay because these are what they are and serve a purpose.

JimVanDeventer ,

The Trekz Titanium (maybe that is the correct spelling) won me over and I want all my headphones to be like that, forever. Sadly, not all boners (as we call them in the biz) are made the same, and my newer Open Run Pro (or whatever) are disappointing boners by comparison.

Pulptastic ,

I have the titanium and love them. They are perfectly adequate for listening to audiobooks on runs. On the road bike it can get drowned out by wind noise so hard to hear spoken word but music is OK.

They really shine when doing construction. I can use earplugs and the sound is way better with them in.

mudmaniac ,

That sucks to hear.
I got the Titanium too. Would simply continue using that, but the battery seems to be bulging now.
The new open run pro just feels flimsy by comparison and 1.3 times the original price of the Titanium.

I'm starting to consider other brands.

realitista ,

Upvoted for boners

iguessthislldo ,

I have had both and I think they're about the same except one issue I have. The Open Run sometimes just won't charge even though the charging light is on. I'll pick them up after hours and it'll say "Battery low". It's annoying. I also wish double tapping the button didn't dial the last number because it's too easy to do.

Khanzarate ,

I got them so I could listen to audio books without actually ignoring my kid, who was 3 at the time. Couldn't not hear her world if she decided to get up to something. 10/10 for that.

I also loved them being hidden under my hair. Its rude to have headphones in a conversation, but this isn't rude, with them silent I can hear as well as without headphones.

Aa for dual-pairing, I had your same issue with shokz, but I found out it was Windows with the issue. Shokz switches based on who it hears playing audio and Windows likes to keep "playing" audio at 0 volume instead of properly not sending audio. It's an issue that's pretty irrelevant for most things, but it means Shokz never feels that there's only one audio source at a time, after its connected to a windows computer once. They worked fine when I paired them to my android phone and an iPad to test things.

s3rvant , (edited )
@s3rvant@lemmy.ml avatar

We tested some nicer ones for use in an industrial environment where hearing protection was required. They were great and let workers hear clearly while still being able to use their preferred PPE.

GiantBalls ,

Any models stand out above the rest?

s3rvant ,
@s3rvant@lemmy.ml avatar

The ones we tested were these: https://a.co/d/f4FADbm

Unfortunately the project they were originally for was cancelled fairly quickly so we didn't test any others

WoahWoah ,

I like the Bose open ear buds, which is similar insofar as you can still hear everything around you, but it's not bone conduction. They basically cling to your ear and are just a small driver near your ear canal.

I like the sound and fit better than any bone conduction headphones I've tried, but I don't use these styles for swimming, which is the main advantage of bone conduction. For running, cycling, and just generally walking around in the world the Bose work great. For sitting and sound isolation, I use corded cans.

I also fall asleep with one or both on periodically because they're so innocuous. I roll like a log in water when I sleep, so they unclip at some point in the night, but they've never caused me and discomfort. I forget I'm wearing them most of the time.

dexa_scantron ,
@dexa_scantron@lemmy.world avatar

I have those exact ones and I love them; I use them for running and when I'm doing stuff around the house but still want to hear people getting my attention. I had a previous version that I also accidentally turned to Chinese but I just learned to recognize the different messages.

sirico ,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

I use these for cycling abs gifted my father in law a pair as he suffers from tinnitus and a few issues hearing

weew ,

I played around with them, borrowing one from a friend.

They definitely have their use case, the most obviously being when you need to keep your ears open for traffic or whatever.

However, I felt that the sound definition was not great, especially for sharp sounds like cymbals. Everything felt a little muffled, and it couldn't hit highs or lows very well.

It's one of those "better than nothing" pieces of tech but not what I'd choose for pure listening enjoyment.

dexa_scantron ,
@dexa_scantron@lemmy.world avatar

They work better for podcasts than music. For music, they're better than a phone speaker but worse than cheapo earbuds in terms of sound quality.

AbsurdityAccelerator ,

I love mine for listening to audiobooks at home. I can pause them and have a conversation with my family without having to take them off.

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