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werefreeatlast ,

This is just a stepping stone to the ultimate guilt free porn. No one gets hurt, 300 simulated penises. Except that no one is simulating penises yet. The gay community needs to step up it's simulation....oh this just in: gay guys don't need a simulation because the real thing is easy to get.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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No one gets hurt, 300 simulated penises.

I would argue that a continuous state of isolation, bolstered by shoddy simulations of human interaction, that we treat as a stand in to real human contact and expression, is going to hurt a whole lot of people in the long run.

It all just feels like some 18th century Libertarian looking at an opium den full of washed out dope-heads and saying "Look at how happy they are! There's no such thing as an opium crisis, because its all voluntary and the end result is profound bliss."

The gay community needs to step up it’s simulation…

The gay community doesn't need simulation precisely because it is rich with enthusiastic socially active and eager individuals. The NEET community needs simulations because they've fallen victim to their own anxieties, failed to develop strong social skills, and alienated themselves from everyone else in their lives who might provide them with the experiences they're seeking a rough approximation of in simulation.

crimsonpoodle ,

I would say the following things would help:

•	Rethink the way our cities are built and reduce the ratio of work to weekends so that people can find time and have ease in going to spaces where they can interact with others socially.

•	Allow for the construction of third spaces, especially for adolescents. Seriously, as a teenager in the 2010s, the amount of surveillance and regulation by parents and schools was kinda insane. It pushes teenagers online, as it’s the one place where they tend to have an edge on their elders enough to break free from it. (And it also normalizes invasions of privacy by corporations.)

•	Withhold judgment by mass public opinion for minor transgressions. We have all said things that make us cringe at ourselves down the line when we think of them, or even when reminded of the perhaps more innocent action of simply looking foolish. It is little wonder, then, that people, already socially withered from lack of experience, shy away from the very actions that might give them confidence when faced with the potential for public immortalization of these acts via the internet.

•	Regulate platforms to reduce the existing profitability of addiction. It is no contest when the largest companies spend billions and employ thousands to keep their users under their thrall. The only recourse for the individual is to join in group action to wield the power of government for the public good.

While by no means an exhaustive list, I feel as though if we follow the steps of RAWR, we can at least make an incremental improvement.

tjsauce ,

Damnit I didn't see the acronym till the end 😂

asdfasdfasdf ,

I don't get it. What's wrong with pretending to have a relationship with an AI? Fantasy video games are super popular, and probably a more realistic experience than the current state of ChatGPT.

Lesrid ,

Yeah there's a bit of similarity to pursuing a "romance route" in a video game. Funny to think that it's more acceptable to fuck a fake bear in Baldur's Gate 3 than to have weekly conversations with a bot that pretends to understand your written words.

I suppose the key difference being that my wife in Skyrim is more akin to a one-night stand since she can't reciprocate my notes of affection.

TORFdot0 ,

In my opinion, it’s immoral to profit off of someone’s loneliness. Of course that’s a huge sector of the economy now and why dating apps focus on vapid, meaningless hookups rather than finding real working relationships, and cam girls exploiting whales, so on a so forth.

But I still think that things like AI girlfriends promote isolation, hostility, and anti-social behaviors that are harmful to society.

Smokeydope , (edited )
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"lol at least it will help get some losers out of the gene pool, lonely unfuckable loosers deserve what they get if they resort to a chatbot for affection lol" fucking hell what nastiness some people have in them.

Im not 100% comfortable with AI gfs and the direction society could potentially be heading. I don't like that some people have given up on human interaction and the struggle for companionship, and feel the need to resort to a poor artificial substitute for genuine connection. Its very sad.

However, I also understand what it truly means to be alone, for decades. You can point the finger and mock people for their social failings. It doesn't make them feel any less empty. Some people are genuinely so psychologically or physically damaged, their confidence so ultimately shattered, that dating or even just fucking seem like pipe dreams. A psychologically normal, average looking human being who can't stand a month or two of being single could never empathize with what that feels like.

If an AI girlfriend could help relieve that feeling for one irreparably broken human being on this planet, lessen that unbearable lonelyness even a smidge through faux interaction, then good. I'll never want one, but im happy its an option for those who really need something like it. They'll get no mockery or meanness or judgement from me.

T156 , (edited )

Im not 100% comfortable with AI gfs and the direction society could potentially be heading. I don't like that some people have given up on human interaction and the struggle for companionship, and feel the need to resort to a poor artificial substitute for genuine connection. Its very sad.

The marketing for some of them also seems quite predatory, which doesn't seem like a good sign.

Although I'm personally less concerned about the people that seek them out, and more the ones that just get used in the wild.

Imagine hitting it off with someone, having a friendship for a while, only to find out that they're an engagement or scam bot? It'd be devastating.

jpreston2005 ,

that's already happening on just about every dating app though

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Was functionally the entire business model of sites like "Seeking Arrangements" since their inception. AI isn't doing what phone sex operators and cam-whores have been doing for decades. They're just filling in as a cheap inferior substitute that can over-saturate the market at very little cost to the distributors.

AI Girlfriend is the new 419 Scam, kicked up a notch.

patatahooligan ,
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Im not 100% comfortable with AI gfs and the direction society could potentially be heading. I don’t like that some people have given up on human interaction and the struggle for companionship, and feel the need to resort to a poor artificial substitute for genuine connection.

That's not even the scary part. What we really shouldn't be uncomfortable with is this very closed technology having so much power over people. There's going to be a handful of gargantuan immoral companies controlling a service that the most emotionally vulnerable people will become addicted to.

Nindelofocho ,

Imo the safest solution for that would be a self hosted one that doesent dial out to a conpany server

GilgameshCatBeard ,

Simps are not the fringe market they used to be. Soon, they’ll be a billion dollar a year one.

TwilightVulpine ,

Soon?

They are already driving the gacha game market, spending several billions. Way too many games sell characters to players simply by making a variety of waifus.

Then we have everyone paying for OnlyFans and erotic art patreons.

Then we have everyone paying subscriptions for dating apps.

Really, the more I think about it, was it ever a fringe market? "Porn sells" is a known saying. Playboy magazines used to be an institution.

This is just a new layer of that.

jjjalljs ,

I feel like traditional "There be titties" porn is a slightly different beast than the parasocial onlyfans stuff, or the even weirder "ai girlfriend" stuff. The traditional stuff is less sad, to me. Like, there's no illusions about what's happening if I'm looking at a traditional video of a naked woman. But when it adds the whole fake interaction thing? Makes my skin crawl.

TwilightVulpine ,

I wouldn't blame people if they just treat it like an erotic novel and don't get too attached.

...but some are gonna.

Ghyste ,

Can't wait to hear about someone getting dumped by a computer.

LWD , (edited )

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    ArmoredThirteen ,

    Omg I just looked this up that orb looks like it eats souls. Like they had to have spent time actively designing it to be as sinister as possible, with fucking slogans like "orbs are here" and "look into my eye"

    kambusha ,

    Do you have a link?

    ArmoredThirteen ,

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/8eb666ac-31c7-4cb8-8be6-0d63ef9075de.png

    HelloHotel ,

    Here

    T156 ,

    It literally looks like a cyberpunk/Sci-Fi prop used by a nefarious entity.

    AnneBonny ,

    Who could have seen this coming?

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