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Any duck duck go alternative that is better in privacy and security ?

I have always liked and used Duck duck go more than google but now i am considering if i should switch because of the shit they pulled with their app and yesterday when i clicked a link it took me directly to their newsletter subsciption page not even like a popup a proper page without any way except manually backing out . So is there a better alternative or is DDG still the best ? Would appreciate if the search ingine came with firefox and i don't have to jump through hoops to use it. I moved the post from ask lemmy to here .And also i deleted the post from ask lemmy because i thought it wasn't the appropriate sub (i know should've thought of that before posting )

shortwavesurfer ,

Maybe kagi? I use it and like it

Bitrot ,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

There is some controversy recently due to partnering with Brave for search results, and the response to comments. Brave tends to be controversial any time it comes up anyway, outside of Eich's political views.

company x founder personal political views was not a factor in this evaluation for this or any any provider we added (for betteor or worse) and merit of technology was the main factor. Politics finding its way into tech is one of the reasons we do not have innovation any more

People can go whatever direction they want with that.

tyler ,

He later apologized for that comment extensively.

noodlejetski ,

he was also removing criticism form queer folks on their Discord while leaving up valuable discussion points like "stop shoving LGBTQ down our throats".

rowdyrockets , (edited )

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    noodlejetski ,

    well, I saw the thread being deleted while I was reading it. I would've posted it myself but, y'know.

    1984 ,
    @1984@lemmy.today avatar

    It's controversy for some people who are looking for perfect companies.

    Others like me realize that they don't exist, and you should choose something, anything, other than Google that you feel happy with. Today.

    ChiefGhost295 ,

    This is also not their only controversy. When someone proposed in their forums that Kagi should add a widget that would help people get help if they are searching for suicide material, Kagi refused because that isn't the result that the person was searching for.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I like Mojeek. It even has an option to search without using locational data, which is something that's important to me.

    I'm pretty sure I was able to just go to mojeek.com, right click the address bar, and add it to Firefox. I didn't need an add-on or anything like that.

    THEDAEMON OP ,

    Yeah its in the options of search engine provided by firefox . Can someone back this guy up or disagree with him ?

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Not that this will convince you, but worth noting that Mojeek also has a Lemmy presence: @Mojeek

    THEDAEMON OP ,

    It is kinda convincing me

    Mojeek ,
    @Mojeek@lemmy.ml avatar

    howdy 👋

    THEDAEMON OP , (edited )

    Uh if i may ask do you guys guarantee privacy and security without any hidden catches .

    EDIT: I have decided to stick eith you guys for the time being.

    Mojeek ,
    @Mojeek@lemmy.ml avatar

    no hidden catches no

    THEDAEMON OP ,

    Ok thanks

    ares35 ,
    @ares35@kbin.social avatar

    yup. then also go into firefox settings to change your search default if you want..
    https://www.mojeek.com/support/browsers/firefox.html

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Yep, and while you're in there, you can also remove any of the default search engines to reduce clutter.

    Jahuffine ,

    For a while I was self hosting whoogle but it's been kind of problematic and gets rate limited very quickly. I have been looking at switching to searxng. For both of these you can find some hosted for the public but their security may not be as robust as a company like duck duck go would be. It's a shame too that duckduckgo does actually collect data and send it to Microsoft as part of their agreement in order to use bing as their backend.

    Engywuck ,

    The data collection of DDG only regarded their browser, not the search engine.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    I've got my own whoogle instance and have never been rate-limited

    scottmeme ,

    Running whoogle aswell and never been rate limited, but I did need to setup a horizontal pod autoscalaer on my deployment because it kept getting into a invalid state. Now kubernetes will just shoot the pod in the head and spin up another. Lol

    resketreke ,
    @resketreke@kbin.social avatar

    I was self-hosting a whoogle instance but it stopped working and instead it would send me to google to accept cookies, so I nuked it.

    philo ,
    @philo@lemmy.zip avatar

    What's wrong with startpage.com?

    eruchitanda ,
    @eruchitanda@lemmy.world avatar

    They block Tor/VPNs.

    philo ,
    @philo@lemmy.zip avatar

    I use a VPN. I'm not blockes. Do you mean they only block the VPN's on TOR network? I wonder why they do that?

    DemBoSain ,
    @DemBoSain@midwest.social avatar

    I'm on a VPN (Mullvad) and not blocked by Startpage.

    pathief ,
    @pathief@lemmy.world avatar

    Proton user here, never had a problem with that.

    The only problem is that apparently startpage was purchased by an advertising company, which seems like an awful match.

    pathief ,
    @pathief@lemmy.world avatar

    They were bought by an advertising company, which is a bit sketchy.

    givesomefucks ,

    How many times are you gonna make this post?

    THEDAEMON OP ,

    Hopefully the last time. And no i won't give any.

    BiggestBulb ,
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    Dude went ahead and deleted the last one I commented on, at this point I think hes tryina use the "Delete post" button as the search button

    givesomefucks ,

    Its not just posts, this is at least the second time I've blocked an account with that name for making these low effort spammy posts.

    And this one is only 8 days old, so I think they're making accounts on different instances with the same name.

    THEDAEMON OP , (edited )

    No i can assure you its my only account and yes its a new one . In fact this is the only account i have on any kind of social media to this day .

    EDIT: why are you guys down voating me i am telling the truth or do you guys know things about me that i don't or something ?Just look at my profile would someone with an alt do this much activity ? And also i deleted the post from ask lemmy because i thought it wasn't the appropriate sub (i know should've thought of that before posting )

    THEDAEMON OP ,

    I deleted the post because of your comment . It sucked that much .

    Dendrologist ,

    What shit did they pull with their app?

    THEDAEMON OP ,

    Allowed tracking for microsoft .

    dog_ ,

    I thought they've been doing this for years or something.

    LunchEnjoyer ,

    I believe this is old news now? Heard someone else say that they don't do it any longer. Might have to look into this for some updated clearance myself too.

    BlackSkinnedJew ,

    www.presearch.com ?

    JaymesRS ,
    @JaymesRS@literature.cafe avatar

    I like DogPile. It lets you get results from Yahoo! directory, Lycos, Excite, WebCrawler, Infoseek, AltaVista, WhatUSeek, and HotBot.

    AskJeeves works pretty well too.

    downhomechunk ,
    @downhomechunk@midwest.social avatar

    Til lycos and Altavista still exist

    JaymesRS ,
    @JaymesRS@literature.cafe avatar

    I guess you could say the same about AskJeeves since they rebranded as just Ask.

    I miss those days of the internet.

    downhomechunk ,
    @downhomechunk@midwest.social avatar

    Me too. I'm personally not going to stop using ddg because it's a losing battle. It won't be long before the next little search engine sells out.

    Lord_ToRA ,
    @Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world avatar

    Damn. Dogpile still exists? I used to use that before Google took over.

    cmat273 ,

    Mullvad leta but it requires a mullvad account and that you're connected to your vpn

    voluble ,

    All I want is a search engine that 1. doesn't make moral judgements on the results relevant to a search, 2. filters out ai and ad farm results by default, and 3. can be toggled to effectively search web 1.0-style forums.

    Lmaydev ,

    Search results were amazing back in the day. There were like a couple 100 good websites and it was all just text indexes.

    The web is simply too big not to do ranked searches.

    The big problem is how they are ranked though.

    voluble ,

    Interesting.

    I hope for a new paradigm in web searching. I wouldn't even mind if a search took 5-10 minutes, if it meant a handful of quality results. I easily waste that much time or more sifting through garbage ai and ad-driven results as it stands.

    jvrava9 ,
    @jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I use seaxrng everyday, ddg if I cant find something and startpage for 🏴‍☠️

    simonced ,

    Maybe Kagi (paid) or Searxng. I use mostly searxng but some kagi options are nice like blocking results from certain domains or lower their appearance in results...

    wolfie ,

    I’m not sure about how private it is, but I use Ecosia for my search engine. It works great for me, and the images are alright. They are pretty transparent with their privacy, and you help plant trees too!

    pl_woah ,

    DDG is still the best.

    Stop asking this same question repeatedly.

    hagelslager ,

    I have the idea DDG (or Bing which powers it) is getting worse, if you search for items, you first get a load of webstores selling that item and a Wikipedia article might show up on page 2 at best.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    They really need to prioritize Wikipedia in general, but, also, maybe I just need to make Wikipedia my homepage instead.

    xmanmonk ,

    Use !w in front of your ddg search to search Wikipedia.

    Taleya ,

    Yeah it's definitely taken a sharp nosedive over the past 9 months.

    I miss dogpile siiiigh

    FrostyTrichs ,

    Disclaimer - Spend your money how you want. Use what works for your needs and moral standing. This post is a data point for consideration, not an endorsement.

    I use Kagi with the unlimited search paid version. Whether it's my own needs, friends, family, etc, I always seem to be the one doing the searching for everyone I interact with. After years of Google feeding more and more sponsored links into the results I switched to DDG, and after about 6 months of finding their results lackluster I tried Kagi.

    For me, it works. I don't know that I'll use it forever or anything but at the moment it does a better job of getting me reliable results within the first few sites and I can move on with my day. I just need quick, accurate search results. So far Kagi has been that.

    I did the free trial thing a couple times to see how it worked before paying and I'd suggest that to anyone thinking about switching. Give it a week or two on trial accounts and if it sucks then it probably isn't for you.

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