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teawrecks ,

That describes the business model of basically every internet company that survived the dotcom bubble.

teawrecks ,

Google was the first example I thought of, because they were founded in 1998, solidly before the dotcom crash. They survived because they hoarded data.

My point was that every company going into the bubble thought they had a product they could monetize, but virtually all of them failed in favor of just hoarding everyone's data. Amazon and eBay were competing for ecomerce supremacy, but now even they are just privacy violators for various reasons (amazon via AWS and Alexa, eBay in the interest of detecting malicious account behaviour).

MySpace is an example of another unsustainable social media model in the vein of many dotcom era services. They died out as soon as Facebook realized they could hoard everyone's data.

All roads lead to privacy nightmares. It's the fossil fuel of the internet, and enshitification is the climate change.

teawrecks ,

You're right, they weren't a "household name" yet. But they were probably more than a little worried about surviving at the time. Turns out they picked the winning strategy.

teawrecks ,

There's gotta be a solution that leverages their unwavering support for the 4th amendment here. I mean a penis is basically a naturally occurring gun, already. You could almost certainly get a congressman to endorse porn in schools this way.

teawrecks ,

What makes session less secure? This is the first I've heard of it.

teawrecks ,

Simplex is the first platform I've heard of that doesn't use IDs (which doesn't make much sense to me, practically, but sure). So would you say everything is less secure than simplex?

teawrecks ,

Far more success than I'd care to see, imo

'LLM-free' is the new '100% organic' - Creators Are Fighting AI Anxiety With an ‘LLM-Free’ Movement (www.theatlantic.com)

As soon as Apple announced its plans to inject generative AI into the iPhone, it was as good as official: The technology is now all but unavoidable. Large language models will soon lurk on most of the world’s smartphones, generating images and text in messaging and email apps. AI has already colonized web search, appearing in...

teawrecks ,

So this could go one of two ways, I think:

  1. the "no AI" seal is self-ascribed using the honor system and over time enough studios just lie about it or walk the line closely enough that it loses all meaning and people disregard it entirely. Or,
  2. getting such a seal requires 3rd party auditing, further increasing the cost to run a studio relative to their competition, on top of not leveraging AI, resulting in those studios going out of business.
teawrecks ,

I think the first half of yours is the same as my first, and I think a lot of artists aren't against AI that produces worse art than them, they're againt AI art that was generated using stolen art. They wouldn't be part of the problem if they could honestly say they trained using only ethically licensed/their own content.

teawrecks ,

That's how it would work for a country where the laws actually mean something. In this case, the law is just whatever the Kremlin says.

teawrecks ,

Or more accurately, it's a clear illustration of how overvalued they are right now.

But as the saying goes, the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

teawrecks ,

Stock movement is always speculative with or without options. The difference that derivatives makes is the ability to price in speculative value at some point in the future as well. The price of a share is reflective of what traders think a company is worth today; but an option is a reflection of what traders think the shares will be worth at some point in the future, which people can then look at and use to re-adjust their estimation of what they think the underlying share price is worth today. It's a recursive feedback loop that (theoretically) results in share prices closer approximating a true value. A sort of predictive smoothing function.

NewsBreak: Most downloaded US news app has Chinese roots and 'writes fiction' using AI (www.reuters.com)

Last Christmas Eve, NewsBreak, a free app with roots in China that is the most downloaded news app in the United States, published an alarming piece about a small town shooting. It was headlined "Christmas Day Tragedy Strikes Bridgeton, New Jersey Amid Rising Gun Violence in Small Towns."...

teawrecks ,

It regularly uses descriptors like "Chinese roots" and "engineers based/born in China" and just leaves them hanging. On it's own, being from China is superfluous information...unless the reader has a bias against things from China. Ties to the Chinese govt/CCP is a separate matter entirely, and if that's the connection they're making they should just say that.

It would be no different from talking about Isreal's war crimes, but instead of saying "X party is affiliated with Isreal's govt" you just said "jews".

teawrecks ,

Yes, the examples I cited were used multiple times. And yes, I am aware of national news in the US concerning China, it was not overlooked context.

The relevant context you might be overlooking are the Red Scare and Japanese internment. It's not the first time the US has had the looming threat of international espionage, and it's also not the first time that using a person's/company's nationality to infer their true intentions was misguided.

It is not an outrageous thing to say: being Chinese does not make you a CCP operative.

The most popular news application in the US having links to China is highly relevant...when the services themselves are being used to spread misinformation and, potentially, disinformation.

To quote the article,

Reuters found no evidence that NewsBreak censored or produced news that was favourable to the Chinese government.

To echo the sentiments above, most of the article is great journalism. The Chinese job listings, the former connection to Yidian, their use of AI and statements from Pearlstine. All important info to see reported. I just wish they would stop saying "China" or "Chinese" as shorthand for "CCP". All I can hear is Trump annunciating CHYAI-NA.

I wish the best for the Chinese. I want Chinese people to feel safe when living abroad, without their govt breathing down their neck. I want China to prosper ethically and sustainably.

teawrecks ,

there was also zero evidence provided by the US government of CCP-guided interference by Huawei or TikTok

There were a couple decades of direct evidence that Huawei was cooperating with the CCP.

Disinformation on TikTok and data collection via the app are both well documented, but doesn't seem any different from other social media platforms. The TikTok ban seems mostly politically motivated to me. I suspect whatever happens, their lawyers will fight it and win, until the govt finally cracks down on data collection in general, and we finally get something like GDPR.

You are suggesting that we should refer to China as "the CCP", the USA as "the Democrats", Australia as "Labor", etc.

No, I'm literally saying the opposite. We should refer to the CCP as the CCP, and China as China. My last paragraph was intended to highlight the difference, but perhaps you didn't read that far.

The rest of your comment is ad hominem, which doesn't interest me.

teawrecks ,

It's normal for it to heat up under load, but it's not normal for it to be under load 24/7 indefinitely.

teawrecks ,

The difference between this sub and the fuckgrandpajoe sub is that grandpa joe won't ever gain sentience.

teawrecks ,

Seems like a train that uses both sides of the track fulfills different requirements. A train can only be made to go one way at a time, but can hold more people (increased bandwidth), but these smaller half-cars can be moving people in both directions at the same time (lower latency). Seems quite clever if it works out.

teawrecks ,

Sounds like somebody's mommy needs to take their phone away.

teawrecks ,

Maybe he's looking to retire and the board wants to make whoever follows him look like a godsend.

teawrecks ,

Unfortunately (and incredibly) Gboard is the only keyboard that fits all my needs. I'm on graphene so I feel ok about just blocking its network access. This means voice transcription doesn't work, but otherwise I get swipe, predictions, and other languages.

teawrecks ,

Cool, will do. It's weird to me that open boards need to pull the swype binary. Is it really that hard to replicate?

teawrecks ,

Why is that? Does the motherboard effectively just not have enough inputs for all the disks, so that's why you need dedicated hardware that handles some kind of raid configuration, and in the end the motherboard just sees it all as one drive? I never really understood what SCSI was for. How do the drives connect, SATA/PATA/something else?

teawrecks ,

I think if the 2nd LLM has ever seen the actual prompt, then no, you could just jailbreak the 2nd LLM too. But you may be able to create a bot that is really good at spotting jailbreak-type prompts in general, and then prevent it from going through to the primary one. I also assume I'm not the first to come up with this and OpenAI knows exactly how well this fares.

teawrecks ,

Oh, I misread your original comment. I thought you meant looking at the user's input and trying to determine if it was a jailbreak.

Then I think the way around it would be to ask the LLM to encode it some way that the 2nd LLM wouldn't pick up on. Maybe it could rot13 encode it, or you provide a key to XOR with everything. Or since they're usually bad at math, maybe something like pig latin, or that thing where you shuffle the interior letters of each word, but keep the first/last the same? Would have to try it out, but I think you could find a way. Eventually, if the AI is smart enough, it probably just reduces to Diffie-Hellman lol. But then maybe the AI is smart enough to not be fooled by a jailbreak.

teawrecks ,

Yeah, as soon as you feed the user input into the 2nd one, you've created the potential to jailbreak it as well. You could possibly even convince the 2nd one to jailbreak the first one for you, or If it has also seen the instructions to the first one, you just need to jailbreak the first.

This is all so hypothetical, and probabilistic, and hyper-applicable to today's LLMs that I'd just want to try it. But I do think it's possible, given the paper mentioned up at the top of this thread.

teawrecks ,

Any input to the 2nd LLM is a prompt, so if it sees the user input, then it affects the probabilities of the output.

There's no such thing as "training an AI to follow instructions". The output is just a probibalistic function of the input. This is why a jailbreak is always possible, the probability of getting it to output something that was given as input is never 0.

teawrecks ,

Ah, TIL about instruction fine-tuning. Thanks, interesting thread.

Still, as I understand it, if the model has seen an input, then it always has a non-zero chance of reproducing it in the output.

teawrecks ,

Because it's probibalistic and in this example the user's input has been specifically crafted as the best possible jailbreak to get the output we want.

Unless we have actually appended a non-LLM filter at the end to only allow yes/no through, the possibility for it to output something other than yes/no, even though it was explicitly instructed to, is always there. Just like how in the Gab example it was told in many different ways to never repeat the instructions, it still did.

teawrecks ,

Oh I see, you're saying the training set is exclusively with yes/no answers. That's called a classifier, not an LLM. But yeah, you might be able to make a reasonable "does this input and this output create a jailbreak for this set of instructions" classifier.

Edit: found this interesting relevant article

teawrecks ,

Yeah, I suppose you're right. I incorrectly believed that a defining characteristic was the generation of natural language, but that's just one feature it's used for. TIL.

teawrecks ,

Modern Android Do Not Disturb is configurable enough for you to do this. Allow your family contacts through, block the rest.

teawrecks ,

Obviously a Google phone will be at least as bad, but I'm curious how de-googled Android forks like graphene would fare.

teawrecks ,

Depends on whether you consider dark-patterns to be "lying". If a normal user would reasonably think that data isn't being collected based on the settings they chose, then is it dishonest for them to still be collecting data? Is it good enough for them to say "well we technically never said that disabling X disabled all the invasive functionality needed to do X."

teawrecks ,

I've been running graphene for almost a year I think, and I haven't had to make any functional sacrifices. Though I was already not using Google's voice assistant features.

teawrecks ,

I think their point was, all things being equal, a server on discord vs a community on a Lemmy instance doesn't make a difference. In both cases, the people who ultimately own the platform have to decide whether to just delete them or go toe-to-toe with Nintendo in court.

Hosting everything themselves is a different story. Though...is it possible for a federated instance to exist inside the tor network? Maybe that's already a huge thing and it never occurred to me.

teawrecks ,

We're looking at 40 days based on 30 minutes of daily reading at 30% brightness, and with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth turned off. Dropping the brightness down to 10% nets an increase to 53 total days of runtime.

So as long as you don't use it, the battery will last a long time!

teawrecks ,

Just a note to people posting these cool graphs that it does give away your rough location. As long as you're cool with that (pun intended).

teawrecks ,

Yeah, totally agree that we shouldn't go all in on trusting valve, but apple is definitely the anti-consumer one here. I don't think valve would support DX if they could get away with it. Apple deprecating everything but metal without making it an open spec basically said, "we don't want anyone gaming on our platform".

teawrecks ,

Well no, you put a conveyor belt in front of all the 3d printers, and when each part is done, it's dumped onto the conveyor belt, which leads all the pieces to an AI powered robot arm which assembles the bridge.

Yeah, I guess you could just run the conveyor belt and arm all the way to where the bridge needs to go.

All problems can be reduced to Factorio.

teawrecks ,

The bridge is science to unlock the train, of course.

teawrecks ,

Which part exactly are you disagreeing with? Do you think that we should force people to never be allowed to run an OS that enforces a strict update regimen? Because I think you probably actually think that the user should be allowed to choose how they update; whether that be mandatory and automatic, or manual and optional. The reality is, the vast majority of people will opt for the former, and I think we both agree that they should be allowed that choice.

The real issue is transparency: what is being installed and executed, why, and is any data being collected. As long as all that can be audited at will, I don't see any issue with the existence of an OS that insists on being updated for the people who want that.

teawrecks ,

Yeah, I don't think you're disagreeing with my point. I get it, you aren't the person who wants to be treated like an idiot when it comes to your computer, but the vast majority of computer users do.

There are many things in your life that you rely on on a daily basis that you never think about the internals of. Maybe your electrical system, your washer and dryer, your car, the roof over your head, the mail system, or the kitchen at a restaurant. All of these things are black boxes that get you what you want without you having to ever think about how it works. Because you don't want manual control over every single thing in your life you interact with, no one has time for that, you couldn't function in modern society.

Your computer is an exception that you have arbitrarily chosen to have intimate control over, but most other people don't. In their perfect world, they don't even know they're using a computer, it's just a magical box that gets them what they want.

teawrecks ,

Ok, so it sounds like you are in fact arguing that people shouldn't be allowed to run a system that forces updates. And yeah, I think we will have to agree to disagree. I believe people should be free to run whatever they want on their own devices, regardless of my personal beliefs.

Remember, we're not talking about a system that spies on you without telling you, or recommends things to you without you wanting it to, we're specifically talking about a system that says "either let me update myself, or I will stop functioning". And I think that's perfectly reasonable system for a person to want and have.

teawrecks ,

So, basically, if you tolerate the intolerant, the intolerant will eventually wipe out tolerance.

A more accurate way to say it is, "if you tolerate the intolerant BEING intolerant, intolerance will eventually wipe out tolerance."

It does not say you should be intolerant of the intolerant while they're minding their own business. I just think a bar owner is free to kick people out for representing Nazis purely because it's their bar and they can do what they want.

But X's problem is a bit different from the Nazi Bar problem, in that you don't really see the Neo Nazis on X sitting there minding their own business. You ONLY see them voicing their intolerance. Which of course, should not be tolerated.

Tolerate tolerate tolerate. There.

teawrecks ,

gtfo with your nazi apologism

That was so fast, you make me rub my temples in pain, my guy.

So, people are people, they aren't their ideals. People have more than one state of mind, they aren't 2D cardboard cutouts (or drawings of red skull). Life would be easier if they were, I agree, but the world is more complex than that.

People are born into environments they have no control over. People are handed ideals before they know what they are. People learn from their environment. People change their minds about things. You literally wouldn't bother commenting right now if you didn't agree with me.

If a person is sitting peacefully, let them. If a person is taking any action to impede any other person's ability to sit peacefully, then stop them. But don't attack a person who is sitting peacefully, because they'll probably want to attack you, or someone else, back.

Now call me a nazi again, and we can agree to disagree. Jfc.

teawrecks ,

The difference between us is, I want Nazis to renounce their Nazi-ism. You don't.

I don't believe you'll always be this way. I believe you can change. Godspeed.

teawrecks ,

You're saying you see a bunch of login attempts on your router, but you don't think they actually got into it?

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