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volvoxvsmarla ,

Nono, the radical left invented transism just a couple of years ago, what are you talking about smh

volvoxvsmarla ,

Bro, me too - but for August 2017.

For context, I missed the eclipse in Germany in 1999 because we were visiting family abroad with my mom. So we said back then that we will find a way to see an eclipse. That was before the internet, my dad and sister had VHS taped the event from TV and there was a graph with dates and a map for future eclipses so we kinda knew that sometime in 201x there will be one in the USA.

Fast forward 17 years and we start planning. For us this includes not just an oversea flight and expensive hotels but also getting visas (we're not German) and finding how to get to the place in the USA that is least likely to be clouded and we both don't drive.

It was also the first time I ever slept in a tent. I think we ended up in Madras, Oregon. Man I can tell you we were nervous wracks when the weather forecast didn't look good. But we ended up lucky and had a clear sky after all.

volvoxvsmarla ,

For real, fuck ICE. My fully booked evening train got cancelled after we had already boarded, the next two that day were fully booked as well, I had to find an airbnb with a toddler and travel the next day, and they replaced just half of the ticket price because I cOuLD HaVe tAKeN AnOtHer TrAiN

On the other hand their child merch is cute af

volvoxvsmarla ,

Just to be clear, I brought the toddler, they didn't provide the toddler

volvoxvsmarla ,

The funny thing is as long as you have a small kid with you - doesn't even have to be a baby, just stroller-age - you can bring anything. I'm not even talking about a sealed bottle of water - which, to me, would kind of make sense with the regulations - but all of the sudden your normal 500ml bottle with water, juice, or whatever, is fine. A thermo can with boiling hot water inside? Sure, no problem.

volvoxvsmarla ,

That's an interesting take, wanna tell me more? (I'm sick right now and my brain cells don't function well enough to think for myself but that's unironically an interesting take)

volvoxvsmarla ,

Let's not forget that CDU won by a very small difference to AFD. And it's not exactly like CDU is super progressive man. We are in a timeline where we are celebrating that CDU won.

volvoxvsmarla ,

Ok I might have overestimated the German result [cries in Saxony]. Isn't it 23,7 vs 15,9? That's not double though, more like 50%.

volvoxvsmarla ,

Ah, I forgot to account for CSU

volvoxvsmarla ,

"national socialism" had nothing to do with socialism or being social

volvoxvsmarla ,

I agree so much with this. Vegans are right, period. It doesn't matter whether they mind their own business or are annoying about it. It doesn't matter whether they are preachy because they preach the obviously right thing. They are right.

I'm also not a vegan and I know that I am a hypocrite every time I eat meat or have milk. I would never defend my non-vegan choices. There is absolutely no good reason for me to have steak or milk or eggs. Not in this place and time when alternatives are available everywhere.

volvoxvsmarla ,

Some kids are already "terminally online".

I say my kid is speaking Meme. It sounds a bit nicer than terminally online. But then again she's 2 and that's her third language. I'm just not so sure I can call it English when she mostly says It Is Wednesday My Dudes, Yeah Boiiii or It's the Selcuk Turks.

volvoxvsmarla ,

Plus, it's middle school. These kids don't really have themselves figured out yet, so constantly parroting popular memes can gain them some acceptance from their peers.

Oh crap by the time our daughter is in middle school these will be boomer memes

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    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Stop eating out.

    I am embarrassed to say I've never come to this conclusion myself. But you're right. It's as simple as that. Especially since you can get a load of convenience products in a supermarket for $17.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    PS: Don't even get me started on getting hate from gay friends for being bi.

    I was friends with a lesbian couple and they told me that both of them made sure the other one was definitely not bi when they started dating because [sic] Bis are the worst you just can't date them. Your comment reminded me of that. I'm very sorry that you felt so alone for such a long time.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    You don't have to be vegan to agree that animal farming of the 21st century is cruel and we could do better than that

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Wtf Steve Buscemi is hot af

    There's a meme comparing him to Angelina Jolie and while I personally don't think she's hot, a vast majority of people do, ergo Steve is objectively and undeniably the most attractive man on earth.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Thank god a friend warned me about that before I used them. She didn't know and her twins peed themselves big time the first time they wore it at a beach and she was flabbergasted.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    if farm animals were slaughtered in the most humane and painless of ways

    This sounds like a juxtaposition to me. You cannot slaughter a healthy animal in a humane way. "Slaughter" excludes "humane". I'm not a vegan/vegetarian but it seems to me like this idea that if we just raised happy healthy animals and found a way to kill it nicely then eating meat would be ethically ok. We don't need to eat meat anymore. Any killing of an animal to make it into food is unnecessary and could be avoided. I think it is important that we meat eaters really internalize this. Every time we eat meat we caused absolutely unnecessary suffering for a quick moment of pleasure.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    This is about the logic of "bullets kill people, not guns"

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Actually my point is exactly that it isn't just semantics. If anything, semantics is used to make pretty euphemisms about what is happening. You are ending the life of a sentient being that feels pain and has feelings/emotions, that has family of one kind or another, for no benefit other than your own pleasure. Whether the death is slow or fast, painful or not, anticipated or not, is very secondary.

    A bit off topic but I hate that there are discussions on whether or not it is ethical to farm organs from donor pigs. Like, this at least saves a life (or multiple), while eating meat is absolutely unnecessary nowadays but it still happens all the time.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Honestly, culling is besides the point I am making, since the primary goal of culling is not meat production.

    There are morally more ambiguous cases (than with slaughter for meat) in which killing an animal can be arguably better than to let it live. Putting down a terminally sick pet is an example. Culling might also be argued, but I would not say that it is "not cruel or even morally ambiguous".

    With culling, my thoughts on it are these. When we refer to culling, we most often talk about culling in farm animal situation. As in, there is a sick animal that has to be culled so that the population doesn't become infected. Or we kill the male chicks because we cannot raise them to become egg producing hens and keeping a lot of roosters together can cause problems. The killing of farm cows that underproduce is also a form of culling. I would argue that none of these killings would be necessary in the first place if we didn't have big scale farming (or, for that matter, farming of any kind) of lifestock. My guess is that with

    Modern farming is very much none of those things though.

    we agree here.

    Culling of wild animals is more controversial. As far as I am aware of, hunters are being told how many animals of a certain species and sex they can kill in a hunting season and it is regardes as population control. (Whilst we ofter created conditions in which the population cannot control itself.) Or they get an order from a farmer etc. to kill a chicken ripping wolf. If you have to kill a wolf because it regularly attacks your chicken farm, then the chicken farm is the actual problem, not the wolf. Apart from that, you'll end up fucking with natural selection. Arguably not very great. But since we can't just go back to the caves and restore nature the way it was before civilization and so on, some form of culling of wild animals will probably stay necessary for human survival and artifical balance of and artificialized nature - even without farming of lifestock. I would not call this ethical or morally right, but a realistic, awful necessity.

    I'm not sure about the point you're making with native americans. When I search for native american hunting practices the first thing that pops up is how they hunted bisons and nearly drove them to extinction, which is also the most prominent example I know of. This goes into the territory of the idea of the Noble Native. But I doubt you meant that as an example.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    nutrients

    In the abundance of products in the 21st century you can absolutely get all the nutrients you need in excess without touching animal products, let alone meat.

    convenience

    Not sure how cooking pea protein sausage is less convenient than cooking a pork sausage. There are tons of vegan/vegetarian convenience products in the fridge aisle. Even if there was indeed some very minor convenience to cooking meat (which I am really in the dark about), are you really arguing your minimally bigger convenience is a good enough reason to kill a living being?

    cost

    In some way I agree with you here, meat is heavily subsidized while vegetables aren't (at least where I live) and it is a shame. Chicken wings can be cheaper per kg than some kind of vegetables. That's a systemic problem and needs to be taken care of not by the consumer, but government regulations. But a) you know it is bad quality meat that is on the cheaper side, b) most people aren't in a position where you have such financial pressure (food stamps etc) where you have to weigh calories per cent, c) vegan/vegetarian diets can still be cheap af as long as you don't try to do instagrammable kale quinoa brokkoli sprouts smoothies with avocado and chia seed granola or some crap like that. Potato wedges with sour cream are a vegetarian dish. Beans with rice. Noodles and tomato sauce. It doesn't have to get expensive or complicated.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Come on, you're better than that. I don't buy that you actually think this is a valid argument.

    This logic would apply if you ate the leftovers of game that was culled for specific reasons like keeping the population of deer or whatever at bay. The meat is already there.

    But as long as the meat is produced and the animal killed for the purpose of consumption your argument goes down the drain. While supply and demand economics might not be exactly as we were taught in school, you can't deny that a demand for meat influences the scale of meat production. Everyone in the production and consumption chain has blood on their hands.

    All I am asking for is for people to be aware of that. You can eat meat. But be aware that there is no good reason to.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Native Americans curated bison populations for thousands of years. Idk where you're getting "almost drove the bison to extinction" from. In 1850, there were between 30 and 60 million bison on the plains. By 1870, there were less than 500 wild bison left. That's not native American hunting. That's white genocide. Don't get it confused. Some plains Indians even claim kinship with the Bison as their spiritual totem.

    Yep, I was totally wrong about that. I apologize. I don't know where I had that info from, I think either school or I was distracted at the point about bison when I listened to Guns Germs and Steel. Anyway, I take that back and you are absolutely right here.

    And I'm very sorry about what happened to your people.

    But to go back to meat eating, I'm not sure it plays a big role for today. Hunting bison without rifles while living with rather low population density in nature is not the same as farming. I'm not sure whether meat eating was necessary for survival back then, it probably was an important source of nutrients. Plus the sacred aspects, the cultural ones, the actual gratitude, the use of the whole animal... But this is not how we use livestock today at all. And most importantly: we don't need it. We have an abundance of alternatives.

    But again, I don't ask anyone to quit meat all together. I don't think it is fair to ask this from individuals and attribute all of the responsibility to them. If we want to decrease meat production and consumption, we need to do this from a regulatory basis. So all I am saying is that we meat eaters should simply be aware of it. That it is neither necessary from a nutritional point of view, nor that any kind of farming and slaughtering can be seen as "humane". We cause suffering with our choice and keep promoting a system that will always be cruel. You take away babies from their mothers. You raise animals in unnatural conditions. If they are lucky, they end up at the butcher healthy enough so that their short and miserable life will be terminated untimely and with them very likely experiencing existential threat. For nothing more than us having a moment of joy, convenience, pleasure. Their carcass becomes a banality.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    That's one not on you though. There are what I think is called food deserts where there just aren't a lot of vegetarian options around. But I think that's changing. Even McDonald's has a decent vegan/vegetarian menu by now.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Step away from the emotional argument for a bit and simply consider the logistics. There is no evil in profiting from the cycle of life. Do you also believe herding to be cruel and unnatural? What about other animal product harvesting, like bee keeping or silkworm cultivation? Is it ethically dubious to mine limestone because the ancient crustaceans couldn't consent?

    These are good questions. I'm not too sure about bee keeping or silk production since I don't know exactly how their products are being harvested and what happens to the insects during this. With herding, it's not the herding I have a problem with but what it is done for. I would not say we are profiting from the cycle of life if we kill a cow. The premature separation of cow and calf to gain more milk is another thing. If we just got milk by pumping a "breastfeeding" cow (as you might have guessed English is not my first language) and otherwise let it be - go for it. I wouldn't see anything wrong with that. But this isn't how it works, and you are very right that profit is to blame.

    In my mind, the real problem is cruelty for profit. It should not be profitable to treat animals cruel, and that can only change with legislation. The system is too easy to abuse, and humans will almost always make pick the easy option over anything else.

    I agree with this absolutelty.

    Maybe if we found a way to go back to eating meat on very rare occasions, eating mostly game that was hunted for other reasons than meat or something alike, we could find a balance with it as a product for consumption.

    I mean, would you want to be reborn as a cow on a free range organic farm? Where you are still being inseminated without ever having seen a bull or knowing what's going on. Where you give birth to a baby that you still will be separated from before it's time. Where your kid will have a similar destiny as you. If it even makes it to adulthood. Most likely it will be killed and eaten while you are still being pumped. Where your life is ended by a machine and your body sold to people who toss half of you in the trash because they cooked too big of a portion. Like, yeah, maybe you get to keep your horns and see some grass once in a while and your cage is slightly bigger than the low class conventional farming cows but at the end of the day it is still a miserable life.

    How well do you think a plant based diet is going to work on a glacier?

    Fwiw, I enjoyed the paragraph that led to that sentence, it was beautifully written. Just so that there are no misunderstandings: I'm not necessarily for a plant based diet under any circumstances. There are people with metabolic diseases that might need to eat more animal products for their health. Or nomadic cultures, indigenous tribes with hunter gatherer societies, and also people on glaciers.

    And this is actually exactly why I do have a guilty conscience when I personally consume meat (and again, I am a huge hypocrite, I do eat meat!). I don't need to. There is a time and place where hunting and killing and slaughtering and herding are necessary for survival, but it is not in my life. I can buy a B12 supplement that will last me a year for like 10€, probably less. I can choose from a huge variety of plant milk alternatives in every supermarket. Let's not kid ourselves, nothing I eat is "natural". It's not natural to get a huge watermelon or a cloned banana or refrigerated milk in tetra packs and avocado from the other side of the world. If I drink carbonated soda or an energy drink that tastes like gummi bears then I can also not claim that supplements are "unnatural" and not what nature intended. Nothing I do is natural. I wake up by an electricity powered alarm clock. But with all of that privilege, advancement, technology and detachment I am supposed to somehow justify cruel animal farming and killing?

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Let's say yes. I mean I think it would be healthier and just as convenient to just get an apple and a bun than a burger to be honest. The question is how much of a pro argument this is. It's about as good as "wearing fur looks pretty so we should keep killing tigers for it".

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    At this point I really am unsure whether you are just trolling since this is not rocket science.

    "Directly impacts" or "contributes to" would be more fitting but weren't you the one talking about semantics?

    if there are three blue pigs in the world, and i kill all three and send them to the butcher shop, when someone buys that pork or bacon or ham, how do we kill more blue pigs? it's impossible. so we can see that even if people lack free will and there is some economic theory that actually showed some causal link where consumption causes production (which is impossible), then we can see that consumption still can't actually cause later production in even this one case, but probably many others.

    This is an absolutely unfitting hypothetical because you just rotted out that animal. Have you seen Futurama? The episode about popplers would be more fitting. But ok, I'll roll with the pigs.

    You discovered an island with 10 grown blue pigs. You killed two and brought the meat home. You are trying to sell it. Three things can happen.

    1. People are disgusted and don't buy it from you.
    2. People buy it from you and give you feedback that they hated it and would not buy it again.
    3. People buy it and give you feedback that it's amazing and they want more of it.

    So far, two animals have died. In which of the three scenarios do you think more animals will be killed in the future?

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    How does any of this have to do with free will?

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Ok, listen, don't get it the wrong way, but I think we should stop this back and forth. I'm completely lost in what you are trying to argue here and what your actual point is. No offense, I just think we completely miss each other in our logic. Because I am sure you are a smart person but I don't see how any of this is connected to my first comment, any of my theses, and to me we are just arguing over some semantics and who's right over a question that doesn't exist. So I call it quits here. I'm on vacation as of today and this is getting exhausting for no good reason or goal.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    I remember a native English speaker correcting my pronunciation of meme to maymay back in like 2015 and I felt so ashamed for pronouncing it meem back then... I didn't have friends who were into memes yet and was very insecure. I think about her often.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    I just wanted one funny meme before bed not nightmare fuel but here we go

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    The best part is when they claim that compatibility of family and job is important to them but all that translates to is "we need more childcare institutions". Like, I don't need a place where I can dump my toddler for 9 hours, I need a job where I can work 4 hours, have an ok pay and the prospect of advancing despite being at work for only a couple of hours

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    How does that work mathematically?

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    I've never heard of roflcopter but I rofled so hard reading that it woke my toddler up

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Cut him some slack, it was just a dead brainworm.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    So, jokes aside, people eat all kinds of different things, so legit question here: is there any traditional recipe/dish based on another species' semen? Is there any culture who eats that?

    I know in Switzerland there is a traditional dish of bull's testicles (which I know from a way too long advertisement on youtube that showed the recipe in promotion of the region, don't remember the region but that ad has been branded into my brain). And that you can also prepare utter. But I am asking specifically about cum here. Just out of curiosity of course....

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    So, first of all - I basically agree with you and will be playing devil's advocate a little bit here. But some things I want to point out:

    The majority of Jews condemn Israel. Israelis do no represent Jews and thinking so is antisemitic.

    Definitely not all Jews or Israelis support the Israeli government as it is. But over 40% of Jews in the world live in Israel, which makes it not the majority, but a very big chunk of Jews. While they might condemn the current government, it is difficult to argue that they condemn the idea of Israel when they are living there. However, a second point follows right from here:

    Israelis are oppressor and settlers who are living in stolen Palestinian land. Israel is an illegitimate settler colony that the UN has condemned since its inception and creation

    Yes. But also it was created a long time ago. Not too long ago, but long enough so that there are generations of people who have been born into this state as innocent people.

    Basically, I dislike the idea of how Israel was created and claiming some birthright to return to a land. Depending on how far you want to go you can always find different peoples living in any region. No one would reasonably argue that we should evacuate Manhattan and return it to Native Americans. And this analogy works in both ways: evacuate Israel to give the land back to Palestine as well as evacuating the region of Palestinians to create Israel. Shlomo Sand once said he is a post zionist because the mess has already been created, maybe that is the take I most agree with, although really, there is no fair or "right" solution to this. Which is why it makes this conflict so complicated and frustrating.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    I don't think this is what you mean, but it sounds a lot like you want to replace one ethno state with another ethno state by pushing out all the Jews that have migrated to Israel during the last 80ish years as well as their descendants.

    I doubt this is what you would want, but I just want to point this out, because it sounds dangerous and might be taken like this.

    My guess is that you, just as most people, would not want the "migrants" displaced, but not in power and especially not suppressing the rights and targeting the people who lived there and are still living there. We all basically want them to be a big happy secular family who don't care about each other's background and see the person. (Which is the big problem because this family hates one another.) Yes, a lot of Israel's population has come to Israel somewhat unlawfully, but again: the mess has already been created. Telling a 17 year old whose grandparents migrated Israel from Hungary to please fuck off and go back to Hungary would be not more rightful than displacing Palestinians back in 1948.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    This reminds me of that time Jordan Peterson went crazy about entwined snakes looking like DNA

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Well what do you expect he's been eating steak only for years

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    This is how the Nutty Putty Cave became the Nutty Putty Grave.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Yeah I was also very put off by that. "What matters is how you feel." - "Well, like shit, Dad" would be the natural way this conversation would go. "Do you feel pretty in that outfit?" - "No I feel like shit in it".
    We all try to stand above it but for most of us, from 99 compliments and 1 insult, we will remember the latter. It takes one person to ruin your day.

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Can you give me a (brief or not brief) summary?

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Thank you!

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    I dare not google... Eye worms???

    volvoxvsmarla ,

    Why would you want to get rid of squirrels?

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