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henfredemars , to Privacy in Leak: EU interior ministers want to exempt themselves from chat control bulk scanning of private messages - EU Reporter

So the implication is that keeping the masses in check is the primary goal and protecting the children was the incidental part?

WheelcharArtist ,

as always

fluckx ,

We do this to find criminals, drugsdealers, paedophiles and terrorists. MEPS are never part of any of those groups.

Source: trust me bro
>.>

Rules for thee and not for me.

possiblylinux127 ,
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Just remember "terrorism" is a generic term these days. Russia invaded Ukraine over "terrorism."

It wouldn't shock me if they started carefully monitoring political views to detect anything the state doesn't like.

BearOfaTime ,

Started?

XTL ,

Protecting children has never been an intention or an outcome with these laws.

makeasnek OP , to Privacy in Leak: EU interior ministers want to exempt themselves from chat control bulk scanning of private messages - EU Reporter
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How to contact your MEP. We beat this bill last time, we can beat it again https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/home

bungalowtill ,

it‘s still the old list of MEPs, right?

drkt ,
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As far as I can tell, yes

Nobody , to Technology in European Court of Human Rights bans weakening of secure end-to-end encryption

The judgement [sic] argues that encryption helps citizens and companies to protect themselves against hacking, theft of identity and personal data, fraud and the unauthorised disclosure of confidential information.

Backdoors could also be exploited by criminal networks and would seriously jeopardise the security of all users' electronic communications. There are other solutions for monitoring encrypted communications without generally weakening the protection of all users

Back doors enable bad actors to access everyone’s systems.

darkmatternoodlecow ,

Judgement is a valid spelling of the word.

Kidplayer_666 ,

They also stop State actors ahem UK (and obviously China, Russia and most authoritarian regimes)

MrOtherGuy , to Privacy in Leak: EU interior ministers want to exempt themselves from chat control bulk scanning of private messages - EU Reporter

Absolutely not. If anything, public officials would be the one group whose messaging I would understand being scanned so that the people can sort of keep them on check. But again, implementing such possibility that would still weaken security of everyone else as well so of course it should not actually be done.

shortwavesurfer , to Privacy in Leak: EU interior ministers want to exempt themselves from chat control bulk scanning of private messages - EU Reporter

Privacy for me, not for the...

Veticia , to Privacy in Leak: EU interior ministers want to exempt themselves from chat control bulk scanning of private messages - EU Reporter
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How about making every message of government officials be public and saved in easily searchable database for the populace and make content of their screens be streamed 24/7? No? Why? Nothing to hide nothing to fear? Right?

You stupid fuck.

CrypticCoffee ,

You think they use official devices for all their stuff?

JameUwU ,

I Really like the ending, it ties it all together. Id like to imagine Clancy Brown saying it directly to the EU

ChicoSuave , to Privacy in Leak: EU interior ministers want to exempt themselves from chat control bulk scanning of private messages - EU Reporter

The law must apply to all, including public servants. As they are beholden to the public, they are subject to review and FOIA requests are automatically granted for the content.

Remember the rule of authoritarians: if someone wants to stop you from being suspicious, they want to stop you from doing the same things they've done.

sibachian ,
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The law must apply to all, including public servants. As they are beholden to the public, they are subject to review and FOIA requests are automatically granted for the content.

Now I'm suddenly not so against this law. Journalists paradise. They'll have a field day!

ExcessShiv ,

It would just result in them having official and unofficial devices, where all the things they don't want linked to their person, political party or public knowledge is on a different device that isn't going to get caught in the FOIA requests.

Melody , to Privacy in Leak: EU interior ministers want to exempt themselves from chat control bulk scanning of private messages - EU Reporter

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA

No.

wagoner , to Privacy in Leak: EU interior ministers want to exempt themselves from chat control bulk scanning of private messages - EU Reporter

How else will they continue to exchange illegal images with each other?

DmMacniel , to Privacy in Leak: EU interior ministers want to exempt themselves from chat control bulk scanning of private messages - EU Reporter

Hahahaha... No.

You (potentially) voted for this. You will suffer it as well!

Also all of my and everyones correspondence is confidental, now what? We in Germany have a law (Postgeheimnis) for that as well!

ErwinLottemann ,
eveninghere , to Privacy in Leak: EU interior ministers want to exempt themselves from chat control bulk scanning of private messages - EU Reporter

Fucking hypocritic idiots.

Catsrules , to Privacy in Leak: EU interior ministers want to exempt themselves from chat control bulk scanning of private messages - EU Reporter

Rules for thee but not for me.

Nonononoki , to Privacy in Leak: EU interior ministers want to exempt themselves from chat control bulk scanning of private messages - EU Reporter

Found the real pedos lmao

BlackPit , to Technology in European Court of Human Rights bans weakening of secure end-to-end encryption

At last, some authority talking sense!

Thorny_Insight , to Technology in European Court of Human Rights bans weakening of secure end-to-end encryption

I'm violently against every attempt to try and weaken e2ee. In my mind doing so would be equivalent to telling people they're no longer allowed to meet in private and have one on one discussions.

There's just this one issue with this that causes some doubt for me. CSAM. Yes, think about the childer and so on, I know.. This is however still a real issue that I have personally encountered multiple times. I use certain encrypted platforms to chat with strangers anonymously and there's a significant userbase there spreading this content. And I don't mean provocative instagram pics but the kind of content that leaves you with zero doubt about what you just saw.

Do we just accept this uncomfortable trade-off? Obviously there are other ways for these people to get caught aswell than monitoring their private discussions which in my mind is kind of even worse than what they're doing (unless they're creating that content aswell) but it's just a fact that if the conversations truly are 100% secure then there's nothing that's going to stop this behaviour. I guess there's nothing stopping them from meeting face to face and trading printed physical photos aswell but I don't know.. This feels different and I'm really struggling to figure out how I feel about that.

ekky ,

Criminals will always find a way. Make a surveillance state, and they'll just break the law and use encrypted communication anyway. Might even hide data in other data if necessary.

That said, I'd wager that there are quite a few of those communities hidden in plain and unencrypted sight (discord, fediverse, etc.), but they just keep it small enough to not be found (The ones on discord did get found out eventually, but probably just moved platform). So the question would aris: why do these exist when we apparently have the resources to monitor EVERYONE given the chance?

Best you can do is to report communities and places where it runs rampant to the relevant authorities. That's much more efficient than the authorities having to make privacy-violating laws and crawl the net themselves.

Ihnivid ,

Except that's not really the trade-off. There will still be means to secure communication and people who have an incentive to do so will go the extra mile to make sure they won't be spied upon.

But we've opened the another door to spy on the general population, because average Joe won't care. Another big leap towards total control, total surveillance.

Huschke ,

This argument always bothers me.

Do you really expect people that are involved with child pornography to go "Oh well, now that it's forbidden to have private messaging I guess I will just stop looking at children, because the law is the law and I have to follow it."?

These people know they are breaking the law and I can promise you this. They will find a way to privately exchange their shit while the rest of us now have even less privacy...

wewbull ,

Encrypting files that can only be unencrypted by one other person is still a thing. Sure it's not quite as convenient as it happening automatically in your chat app. However, anyone who thinks weakening e2ee in chat apps actually stops illegal actions occuring needs to think a bit more carefully.

MonkderZweite , (edited )

I'm violently against every attempt to try and weaken e2ee

"First i'm punching you in the face for trying and after that we talk about why it is a bad idea."

Thorny_Insight ,

and I’m really struggling to figure out how I feel about that.

Me being unsure about something is not an argument in one way or another.

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