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Son_of_dad , to Technology in Scientists Develop New Dirt-Powered Fuel Cell That Runs Forever

Love these pie in the sky articles that get debunked immediately in the comments

Magrath ,

Who debunked this? I don't any comments debunking it.

Also if you read the article it has limited applications so it's not some pie in the sky you think it.

linearchaos ,
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I kind of get op's point. It's not straight up debunked, but it's so few microwatts that they can power the sensor but they can't store log data.

It requires a close proximity powered base station nearby to fire a signal out to get reflected back somehow.

I'm having a hard time picturing any viable setup outside of a laboratory experiment. If you've got a powered base station within a few inches of it why not just power it with that?

pandacoder , to Technology in Scientists Develop New Dirt-Powered Fuel Cell That Runs Forever

So if the tip is sticking out for airflow, how does it handle a flash flood?

ChrisLicht ,
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Sensuously?

JPAKx4 ,

"Furthermore, the researchers used waterproofing material on the cathode's surface, allowing it to work during flooding and assuring progressive drying after submersion."

https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/new-fuel-cell-taps-energy-from-dirt-dwelling-microbes-to-power-sensors

pandacoder ,

I missed that part in the article, I should have just searched for the word flood, woops

Track_Shovel , to Technology in Scientists Develop New Dirt-Powered Fuel Cell That Runs Forever
THEDAEMON , to Technology in Scientists Develop New Dirt-Powered Fuel Cell That Runs Forever

Can it power DOOM !

Alexstarfire , to Technology in Scientists Develop New Dirt-Powered Fuel Cell That Runs Forever
cmnybo , to Technology in Scientists Develop New Dirt-Powered Fuel Cell That Runs Forever

How much power does it produce? It must be pretty bad since they don't mention it anywhere in the article.

thefartographer ,

I'm thinking around 6

Buffalox ,

Damn I hoped it would go to eleven, I need that little bit extra.

Tar_alcaran ,

They claim "68 times more than required to operate the sensors", then mention a sensor to measure soil moisture.

A basic soil moisture sensor, like say, the ones I have stacked on a shelf here, will work on 2 AA batteries. It runs on 2V at 10mA. So that's 20 milliWatts, and in willing to be a fair bit of that goes into the electronics that make a red, green or orange led light up at certain moisture levels, and the bit that beeps when below a certain level.

Still, this sets something of an upper limit at 1.3W, or maybe 680 mA? Those seem rather high, so I'm betting their moisture sensor is a bit more delicate than my model. It depends on the size and number of cells though.

Willie ,

Yeah, I am imagining the soil moisture things from the garden store, with the little needle gauge thing, that takes so little power that there's no battery slot. I feel like the amount of power this thing makes is extremely low.

ryannathans ,

Probably generates nanowatts

muntedcrocodile ,
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Im pretty sure most soil moisture measurment devices just measure the capacitance to measure dielectric permittivity. U can design such a setup to use any arbitrary amount of power depending how close the electrodes are rogether etc etc.

vext01 ,
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For low power applications. You won't be charging your phone off this.

RealFknNito ,
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Depends on how many fuel cells you get and are able to shovel dirt into

WHYAREWEALLCAPS ,

The linked article has a table that gives 1.74 uW/cm^2. However glancing over the rest of the paper there's a ton of variability of output.

Hobbes ,

1.21 gigawatts

TheOneWithTheHair , to Technology in Scientists Develop New Dirt-Powered Fuel Cell That Runs Forever
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" As long as there is organic carbon in the soil for the microbes to break down, the fuel cell can potentially last forever.”

It's also a stationary battery

"Although the entire device is buried, the vertical design ensures that the top end is flush with the ground’s surface."

stoneparchment , to Technology in New Vaccine Can Completely Reverse Autoimmune Diseases Like Multiple Sclerosis, Type 1 Diabetes, and Crohn’s Disease
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This article is garbage but I'm a molecular biologist and the publication they're talking about is really neat.

The "ELI5 to the point of maybe reducing out the truth" way to explain it is that the researchers can add "flags" to proteins associated with immune responses that make cells pick them up and examine them. This is shown to work for allergins (so say, add a flag to peanut protein and the cells can look at it more closely, go "oh nvm this is fine" and stop freaking out about peanuts) as well as autoimmune diseases (where cells mistake other cells from the same body as potential threats).

It's not nearly to a treatment stage, but tbh this is one of the more exciting approaches I've seen, and I do similar research and thus read a lot of papers like this.

There's a lot of evidence that we are entering a biological "golden age" and we will discover a ton of amazing things very soon. It's worrysome that we still have to deal with instability in other parts of life (climate change, wealth inequality, political polarization) that might slow down the process of turning these discoveries into actual treatments we can use to make lives better...

Still, don't doubt everything you read! A lot of cool stuff is coming, the trick is getting it past the red tape

JoeBigelow , to Technology in Age Reversal Breakthrough: Harvard/MIT Discovery Could Enable Whole-Body Rejuvenation
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Horray, the rich will live forever! All hail our immortal overlords!

SeducingCamel ,

Don’t worry we'll live forever too since now we won't have to retire

treadful ,
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