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lemmyreader , to Privacy in Why don't people here love SimpleXChat more?

Interesting project, but last time I tried it was battery hungry, and having made quite an effort to get some of my contacts on Signal, I don't see it happen to get them all on SimpleXChat. And Signal Stickers make Signal more attractive for some.

PropaGandalf ,
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I'd say the battery problem is now under control. The UI is still horrible though...

LemmyHead , (edited ) to Privacy in Why don't people here love SimpleXChat more?

I think it's just that there are too many options and the communities are so fragmented. I'm trying out simplex but it still feels like beta software. Regardless I'd like to see it succeed so we have a real private alternative that doesn't rely on big tech or shady government sponsorship.

PanoramicAddict , to Privacy in Why don't people here love SimpleXChat more?

After Signal dropped SMS support, most of my friends jumped ship. No way they're using this.

taladar , to Privacy in Why don't people here love SimpleXChat more?

Seems like another one of those mobile only messengers, not really interested in those to be honest.

SolarPunker OP ,
taladar ,

Ah, must have missed that one, though

Using the same profile as on mobile device is not yet supported – you need to create a separate profile to use desktop apps.

is a pretty major downside.

starlord ,

Actually, you can scan a qr code and use on both

taladar ,

But wouldn't that mean if someone writes to your desktop profile you can't respond on mobile and vice versa? And you would have to be added by everyone else twice too?

BearOfaTime ,

Yes.

You have to switch between devices.

When this becomes seamless, it'll be a more competitive app.

Also, it's a ram eater on my phone

starlord ,

You just never use a desktop profile. You have an account on mobile, and every time you go desktop you sign in with the app and qr code so you're always using the same db on each machine.

My desktop app has zero profiles and no db; I only sign in with my mobile.

EngineerGaming ,
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For a while, it was only CLI and not even listen on the project's main page - it was only linked on its Github. But now there is a GUI in several forms and it is listed on the main page, so kind of interested where it all goes.

Scolding0513 ,

There is a desktop app but linking is not as easy and featured as Session, which is really easy to use on multiple devices, but then you lose the superior security of SimpleX

delirious_owl ,
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This is why I use Wire.

Desktop is a first-class app (not dependent on a mobile app), no phone number required, and syncing chats between all your devices just works.

Wire hasn't been updated in 2 years on fdroid tho, so I'm eager to switch to something else. But nothing else exists that meets these basic usability reqs.

TCB13 , to Privacy in Why don't people here love SimpleXChat more?
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Because when you read their website https://simplex.chat/ and they say stuff like "Possibility of MITM > NO" and "Central component or other network-wide attack > No - resilient" they kind lose their credibility.

Also, "Other apps have user IDs (...) SimpleX does not, not even random numbers." > there must be an ID at some point. When you invite someone with a QR code or a link that effectively becomes an ID - even if it changes for every invitation. Also servers need to coordinate message delivery, some form of ID is required for that.

The way the messaging queues work and what the servers see is interesting but I'm yet to dig into that.

DieserTypMatthias , to Privacy in Why don't people here love SimpleXChat more?
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Never tried it. But I use Element, which is based on the Matrix protocol.

jack ,

With SimpleX each server is replacable/fungible

LemmyHead ,

Isn't matrix encryption beta? I remembered element always warns about that

DieserTypMatthias ,
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I don't think so.

possiblylinux127 , to Privacy in SimpleX network: private message routing, v5.8 released with IP address protection and chat themes
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Why is Simplex based. Damn this is cool.

However, I do wish they would adopt a more decentralized approach like Jami and Briar. It is very hard to get right but it has so many benifits.

EngineerGaming ,
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Yea, my main concern for now is that most people are using default servers. Good thing their servers are very easy to host, but still, power of the default. I would really like to see lists of public servers, like what we see now for XMPP and Matrix. The thing is still young, so looking forward.

possiblylinux127 ,
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I just self host

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

I self-host too, that wasn't the problem, it's that there is the power of the default. Just like with Matrix. You can ask a friend to use your server or another one and delete the main ones entirely, but chances are you won't be avoiding them in a random chatroom.

shrugal , (edited ) to Privacy in Why don't people here love SimpleXChat more?
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What does their multi-device story look like? Can I use one identity/account on multiple devices, with synced read state etc?

Edit: Looks like it's being worked on. I don't want to use a messenger without this feature anymore, but I'll give SimpleX another look once it's done.

moreeni , (edited ) to Privacy in Why don't people here love SimpleXChat more?

They do. I absolutely love it

autonomoususer , to Privacy in SimpleX network: private message routing, v5.8 released with IP address protection and chat themes

Any libre software with voice chat more decentralised than this?

refalo ,

jami maybe

EngineerGaming ,
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I wonder what would happen if you host a server but block the domains of the central ones, asking everyone you chat with to use other servers instead.

foremanguy92_ , to Privacy in SimpleX network: private message routing, v5.8 released with IP address protection and chat themes

You don't think that XMPP clients are better, like conversations or others?

Asudox OP ,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

XMPP as a protocol was great. But the problems the servers had, the mess is just a no go.
SimpleX is far better in privacy and usability in my opinion. I doubt XMPP will recover anytime soon.

foremanguy92_ ,

And with its own server?

ThinkingThings , to Privacy in Why don't people here love SimpleXChat more?
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Simple answer to the question so far as I can see: in order to connect with someone, you have to video conference with them and show them a code. So the anonymity is only as anonymous as the video conference you use to do that. All of the benefits it claims are merely an illusion.

jack ,

Just send them the code. It's okay if the channel over which they the receive the code is insecure

aldalire , to Privacy in Why don't people here love SimpleXChat more?

Session messenger allows you to chat without linking a phone number to your account. It’s what drug dealers use lol.

Gooey0210 ,

Same for simplex 🫠

EngineerGaming ,
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What really bothers me about Session is that you effectively cannot selfhost - hosting a node is prohibitively expensive. So seems like the only people who can realistically host a node are crypto bros, big companies and government agencies. Thanks, I would rather stick with IRC/XMPP/Matrix.

aldalire ,

Fair

Samsy , to Privacy in Why don't people here love SimpleXChat more?

I would use it, if there were unified push support.

Churbleyimyam ,

Jami has that.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Jami is a bloated insecure mess. It is getting better but I would not use it

Churbleyimyam ,

How so? First time I've heard this.

jack ,

Jami is broken

Samsy ,

Also Molly and Mercurygram and most of the Matrix messengers

delirious_owl ,
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What is that and why does it matter?

telep ,

unified push works as a stand in for gms on devices without it. it runs in the background & receive the wakeup pings for the apps (in this case simplex) so you only need one websocket open instead of a different background service for each app. hugely reduces battery use.

delirious_owl ,
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Does that work without google services? I thought this was why signal said they wouldn't remove gapps depends, and all privacy apps do pull instead of push?

EngineerGaming ,
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AFAIK yes, it's the whole point.

Freuks , to Privacy in Why don't people here love SimpleXChat more?
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No userbase + when I exported db ld device and then import to new one, it didnt work..

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