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please be considerate rule

clearing this post out bc it wasn’t all that funny and could be read as a little bit mean which wasn’t my intention

i apologize sincerely to those who my original post hurt, and i mean that genuinely

if you came here for the fox don’t go into the comments you won’t have fun lol

i understand

okay u have been warned this was the original image please know that it’s a stupid bad image and i concur with princessnorah’s analysis of it. im leaving the post up bc i think the discussion here is valuable tho.

last but not least here is a post i stand by a lot more. have a great day if you read this far :)

nifty ,
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OP, don’t be too hard on yourself! You raised a good point…

I kinda feel for the non-US folks constantly getting bombarded by US politics and culture statements. I think it’s fair to be aware of the multinational and multicultural aspect of online communities. As this is a U.S. election year, good luck to us all lol

spujb OP ,

thank you 😭

Stamets ,
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    spujb OP ,

    cursed beyond repair

    leaving it up because i think some of the discussion is valuable but if you are just coming in i suggest not worrying about it and moving on 😭

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    spujb OP ,

    eh i don’t really care what people think of me but i do appreciate your suggestion :)

    Stamets ,
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    Your own post disagrees with your statement that you don't care but okay.

    spujb OP ,

    ur right. i have edited my post to fix this disconnect.

    cuchilloc ,

    Lol you could not even deal with your own actions, nor stick to what you said. Good luck with US elections, if the avg. US citizen conviction can be guessed from yours, your country will continue to be a shit show for generations.

    spujb OP ,

    https://lemmy.cafe/post/3849946 don’t worry im doubling down 😌😌😌😌

    cuchilloc ,

    I did not get that one. You think Americans are suffering?

    VinesNFluff ,
    @VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

    Oh I understand it alright.

    I understand that you guys are FUCKED, and since my country is in the US's sphere of influence, eventually so will we be fucked.

    spujb OP ,

    good so maybe this understanding of the situation will give a sense of empathy not to open conversations with personal attacks

    VinesNFluff ,
    @VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

    I'll dunk on Americans, but only and exclusively when they are ranting about how EVIL other international powers are.

    It has little to do with your election cycle and lots to do with the fact that your CIA destroyed my country's future twice, both in lived memory, one I was already an adult for. You could say I have a vendetta. :3

    spujb OP ,

    based and chad-maxxed

    princessnorah , (edited )
    @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    i get finding US politics in your feed annoying.

    No mate, I don’t think you bloody well do get it. I loathe that I am from a country that speaks the same language. Your country’s backwards, hateful culture leeches it’s way into mine. You will never understand what it’s like dealing with that. It’s not annoying, it is emotionally and mentally exhausting. As a trans person it hurts so much to see my siblings there fearing for their lives. Hearing about children being massacred again, and again, and again while nothing is done to stop it. Worrying that my country will be dragged into another war in Asia by your government (only country that’s joined you on all your stupid expeditions since Korea). You won’t ever get it because you’re just a filthy seppo. Now could you please stop acting like you’re special in my feed?

    Edit: Also, I don’t care if you think I’m part of the problem. This isn’t a “le funny image”. It’s a whiny post about not wanting to be called out for making EVERYTHING about American politics. I’ve not once seen an Australian political thing get upvoted on 196. Or a German one. Or a Japanese one. It’s. Just. American. Ones.

    spujb OP , (edited )

    try fucking living here.

    (to be clear, you are the one who once again escalated this to name calling and personal attacks. so i apologize if this message comes across as strong but i feel it is warranted.)

    i am so sorry you feel personally offended when i try to communicate potentially life saving political nuance and debate with people on what i understand to always have been is a majority-US community every once in a while. it must be a huge huge emotional burden to see that on your screen. i suppose you never considered that there are actual human beings living through this shit. actual human beings fucking dying because of this shit. that’s nothing, nothing compared to having to see it from your little meme and news website huh? do you see me going into posts about Ukraine, China, Gaza going “LOL, should have thrown off your oppressors if you didn’t want to get fucken murdered or imprisoned”? of course not. but that is the behavior you are defending here. the united states of america is inches away from hosting its own genocide of trans people and here you are opening the discussion by attacking “the backwards system and hateful culture” as if they had any hand in setting that up.

    to be clear, i do not seek to minimize your experience. your emotional journey through this modern hellscape is valid. period. with no caveat.

    but don’t you dare use your negative emotional experience to justify hateful and dismissive attacks against my lived fucking material reality.

    i’m going to more or less clear out the post because a) i don’t think it’s very funny (my one true failing i am sorry 😓) but b) i don’t really like being continuously called names (shocker, i know). also c) im worried all of your personal attacks and shit is going to upset the mods, whom i hugely respect and don’t deserve to deal with such things. good job, you bullied me into submission.

    do some self reflection. once again, i reiterate the title of this post, which it’s utterly clear never sank in. be considerate. please.

    princessnorah , (edited )
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    Bite me? I’ve gone to my senator and talked to them about granting asylum to trans people from the states if Lord Cheese Puff gets re-elected. Not an email, in person. What the fuck have you ever done for anyone in my country?

    I’m sorry, truly I am, that this post has caused you grief. But it was always going too. The rest of the world is just so, so, so exhausted from hearing about your politics.

    Also, like, yeah it’s majority US because it’s an English-speaking community and y’all dominate the anglosphere population-wise. Did you know the admins of blahaj are actually Australian? So can we please not turn this into reddit where r/news is for american news and r/worldnews is for everyone else for fuck’s sake. What possible indicator did you get that 196 is just Seppos? That we’re speaking English? God that’s the exact kind of american essentialism that keeps me up at night.

    Edit: I also commented on that other post and had the same opinion as you on it. So I particularly don’t enjoy this whingy rant about people from other countries not getting involved. If you don’t want that, create a space just for American stuff. Don’t complain when you post it in a general bloody group.

    spujb OP ,

    no thanks i don’t want to bite you :)

    thank you for speaking to your senator that was big of you!

    and i did! i love and appreciate the aussie admins here so much ☺️ i used to poke around on blahaj zone before the migration actually and they seem like really decent people and they will always hold gratitude for stepping up to the burden of the 196 community which was never at all expected of them 🫶🫶🫶🫶 truly a blessing and a privilege that one of my favorite reddit communities was able to migrate and thrive on a new site. not a common experience for sure!

    of course i never said 196 was just seppos. you are sadly putting words in my mouth there which is one of a couple really unkind things you do in this comment.

    the other unkind thing lies in continuing to level victim blaming against the oppressed people in my country. and that’s really not cool; it’s actually pretty bigoted. my original post failed to correctly point to the actual damage being done, and i apologize for my failure there and the offense that i brought. ironically, your extended diatribe helped me exactly pinpoint the language i needed to understand and address the spiteful sentiment going on.

    basically, again, not cool to come into comment sections with the victim blaming attitude that a community’s suffering is due to their own laziness or backwards culture. nor is it okay to support that attack with agression and insult. my position is backed by a whole host of historical facts regarding disenfranchisement and systemic failures in the representation of minorities, so it’s not really a thing that’s up for debate. there is no reason for the frequent and consistent pattern of attacking american minorities as though they are to blame for their oppression.

    hoping you can take from this comment something that will help you self examine and see the hurt that’s being done here. if so, i’d love to bury the hatchet. hoping for the best :)

    Raab ,

    Oh no! You have.to read about it online???? You poor thing :(

    spujb OP , (edited )

    thank you for this response @Raab i appreciate you.

    i am quite disheartened with this site. it hurts to see individuals take advantage of my call for kindness to be even more mean than before.

    (sorry this comment was initially quite acerbic that is 100% my fault)

    FractalsInfinite ,

    If you ever find a social media platform that doesn't have stuff like this, please tell me. The larger a site gets the more representative of the human nature it gets, which leads to both really heartwarming stuff and things like this.

    spujb OP ,

    likewise 🫶

    Raab ,

    I am backing up your main point buddy, time to take the foot off the gas and fucking chill.

    spujb OP ,
    /gen

    what im so sorry did i say something offensive

    Raab ,

    You posted something clearly controversial, deleted it out of cowardice when the controversy came, and then got offended when someone tried to back up your point. Who I replied to gave you the long form of "lol idiot American". Get real please.

    spujb OP ,

    ugh ugh im so sorry ! my fault. i appreciated your response and you must have misread my tone and that’s mostly on me. i have edited it to portray that thankfulness, but please don’t mistake my appreciation was always there.

    (regarding the post i deleted it because it was a bad post and i made a better one. please do not attack me for cowardice.)

    JeffreyOrange ,

    What bothers me is that they never mention context. They just start talking about laws or whatever in a random sub and never even bother to mention that they are from america. The rest of the world just doesn't exist for americans.

    TankovayaDiviziya ,

    And when you mention how other countries are doing better and USA should copy them (like having ranked choice voting to rid the two-party system), Americans will either pretend they didn't hear that or will go "wE aRe tOo dIvErSE fOr tHaT sHeEiItT". I was told by someone that Americans generally do not want adopt a system from outside unless they made it themselves. So I guess nationalism also plays a role, too.

    princessnorah ,
    @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Or, like this post, they lash out and tell you to mind your own business. And assume you know nothing about their system, just because Americans don’t care about anyone else’s.

    It’s like watching a car crash in slow motion and you just can’t look away.

    JeffreyOrange ,

    Lol there is a subreddit where they only post public disturbances in public transport, and I said 100% of the videos are from america, this doesn't show public transport is bad. It just shows how bad america is. Boy did they get mad.

    Pan_Ziemniak ,

    I like the calls for ranked voting, i just dont like it as a response to calls to vote in the first place. Believe u me, first past the post is fucking us sideways, and i want to see candidates run for office that address this fact. As someone living here, however bad u think fptp fucks us, i guarantee its actually worse.

    spujb OP ,

    when you see this happen by all means please call it out. americans deserve to be knocked down a peg in their presumption that they are the only country represented online.

    my only ask is once again not to do it by insult.

    cuchilloc ,

    Lol “context of their political system” == warmongering

    spujb OP ,

    good job you are the trumpet kid in the pic lol

    cuchilloc ,

    Good job you are: crying peter Parker

    AVincentInSpace ,

    And what do you propose we, as citizens, do about this?

    cuchilloc ,

    Revolt for starters. But the problem is you’ve been systematically dumbed down, so most your citizens do not even acknowledge your country’s main business is war. That’s one of the reasons why everyone on the internet makes fun of the US.

    Vigilante ,

    OP is a child who is crying out after one australian called them out . Maybe try keeping US politics to one of the many US politics only sub OP ?

    spujb OP ,

    ms gurl i see comments that do stuff like in the post every day on here, thanks for the personal attack tho 🧚💖✨

    Vigilante ,

    Your welcome

    Harbinger01173430 ,

    Americans don't even know where <country> is or whether it's a city or not.../s

    spujb OP ,

    erm pretty sure it’s in <continent> 🤓☝️

    mindbleach ,

    ... are you bitching about that guy who said 'you should do ranked ballots?'

    Or just the fact an Australian used G-rated rude words when making their point?

    spujb OP ,

    no

    mindbleach ,

    Dude, we can see your post history. Exactly one Australian said "imagine not having some form of preferential voting, catch up idiots" and you called it "disgusting and disturbing." And now you're labeling image macros with alternating-caps mockery of that wholly desirable improvement for democracy.

    spujb OP , (edited )

    wasn’t talking about that guy but ok

    lugal ,

    I live outside the anglosphere so I don't even understand the text lol

    occhineri ,

    Buongiorno

    lugal ,

    Gleichfalls!

    cuchilloc ,

    Buongiorno

    conditional_soup ,

    As if Australia and the rest of the anglosphere aren't trying to speedrun US-style enshittification. Y'all better watch your backs.

    spujb OP ,

    we have a head start at least 😎 come and catch me if you dare

    MelodiousFunk ,
    @MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net avatar

    While they say that misery loves company, I must disagree.

    PLEASE STOP. TURN BACK NOW. THIS IS NOT THE WAY.

    Signed,
    Disillusioned American

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
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    I literally left and the weirdest thing has been how familiar it all is

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Oh, please! What problems can you possibly have in Australia, which kangaroo to vote for to be king of hippity-hop? /s

    Gormadt ,
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    Personally I think the "Nothing ever changes so don't even try" demographic is more annoying.

    Pan_Ziemniak ,

    1000 times this.

    "Umm agchallee, the US is an oligarchy like china so best to just shit talk anyone calling for change 🤡"

    Am (immigrant) American and i def understand the frustration others feel seeing our dirty laundry aired in all the public spaces. On a selfish note, however, if thats what it takes for people to take action or at the very least vote either here or literally any other country, then so be it.

    Also this meme is funny. Cant help it, great format.

    Gladaed ,

    Yes, but also the reverse: please preface some things with your geography to add context and be mindfull about foreigners. This is not an American subreddit.
    Some things are handles differently around the earth and some people don't want to be presumed to be from your neck of the woods.

    spujb OP , (edited )

    this is fair and definitely something i sort of have tried to ensure in the past and can double down on in the future

    that being said resorting to insults seems to be the number one way people combat this annoyance which i really don’t approve of

    riwo ,
    @riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    i think us politics being posted everywhere is what's annoying. do you even notice how they are everywhere? i dont see thousands of memes about australian elections.

    if you want to post about your local politics on international platforms, you got to handle ppl telling you they dont know anything about that.
    you can always go to dedicated us politics spaces, if it bothers you so much.

    spujb OP ,

    please! by all means i encourage non-us users to post about their local politics in international spaces (where community rules allow it of course).

    i promise i won’t give a shit or troll in your comments section because i fully recognize the value of such activity! :)

    edit: and genuinely if you need to block me or other us-centric accounts, do it. just stop fReaking harrasing me and calling people names it’s not the solution.

    unexposedhazard ,

    Nah i think the solution is not, everybody spamming communities with their local politics that have no international value.

    The solution is, to post things that matter to everyone in shared communities and to either not post the rest or create communities for those topics.

    spujb OP , (edited )

    that’s a fair position to have as well. i personally do want to hear about your politics so i have to disagree but your position also carries weight per your experience.

    masterspace ,

    Do you have any idea how many news articles we have to read about your insane election system that has campaigning for 3/4 years instead of normal countries that campaign for 2 months? Like the entire campaign seasons of Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, and Spain, take up combined less time every 4 years than the US's primaries do.

    spujb OP ,

    i’m so sorry you have to deal with that. im simply asking not to he harrased and trolled in response to that situation.

    masterspace ,

    Fair, harassment / trolling in a harassing way is never an ok response, but people are allowed to be critical of too much American content overwhelming a community. Americans may think everything that happens in those 3 campaigning years matter but the rest of the world doesn't necessarily.

    spujb OP ,

    thank u! and i will never deny anyone the opportunity to be critical of US content 💪🤪 (i edited the post a little bit to hopefully reflect my sentiment a bit better)

    v4ld1z ,
    @v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

    You can block the communities/instances that such content is posted to often, or you can try a content filter to filter out posts you don't want to see.

    Being annoyed at US-centric posts on a US-based social media website is a little silly, I think. I do get it, though

    maynarkh ,

    The Fediverse is far from US-centric though. Maybe your instance is, but most people will come from different instances as long as you are federated, and Lemmy itself is an EU project.

    If anything, this is an EU-based social media website, Reddit was the US-based one.

    v4ld1z ,
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    I stand corrected. I was under the impression that Lemmy is US-based as well.

    I'm not sure about lemmy.zip, to be honest. I think the instance admin is from the UK, not sure about the users, though.

    maynarkh ,

    IDK where dessalines and nutomic are from, they get their funding from a Dutch EU initiative targeting FOSS internet initiatives. The EU sponsors all kinds of stuff like this, I've seen funding for a FOSS AI stack built on RISC-V hardware. It would be pretty cool if all these initiatives would catch on and bear fruit.

    masterspace ,

    Lol once again an American assumes that things are Amerocentric, thank you for proving my point.

    v4ld1z ,
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    I'm from Europe but yea

    MadBob ,

    Fair fucks to you, but I don't think the following-with-a-trumpet meme is the right medium for that kind of nuanced message.

    spujb OP ,

    really valid, thanks

    unexposedhazard ,

    I think it just depends, for example its good to get attention to things like the abortion situation in the US, or the recent semi legalization of cannabis in Germany. These are things that either directly or indirectly affect lots of people outside of the respective country.

    But yeah, its just impossible to "objectively" decide what is important / relevant to many people and whats not.

    janet_catcus ,

    i mean, politics in the united states are most of the time a beautifully intricate deadly trainwreck...

    anyhow, sub-communities should be the answer, if you had to live in the country to grock it, then you better post it in there instead of on the broadest possible channel... not implying that op did use the broadest channel possible or by choice, im just walking by and seeing all this from a-far, i surely do hope you all finally get out of there though... good luck with that from the depth of my heart.
    but yeah probably just in the community-of-choice, the place-to-be, most people know where and what the us is, so why not? ..

    i mean, i dont mind it, but i wouldnt mind moving it into the intricate deadly or trainwreck communities either, your choice really. :P

    again, i hope a miracle happens and karl marx himself reassembles himself, one last time to punch all fascists in the face... or something, idk, i havent got a clue and i dont really care how the us gets out of its messes but good luck. and sure it might affect me eventually, but what am i gonna do about it except tell you mundane things like: how about you accept more than one party into the government like germany for example?

    perhaps in germany everything takes longer, but at least they (refering to the bundesrepublik here) didnt have to start any wars or do any coups... i think, i hope... i am kinda living under a rock, pls be kind but do educate, cuz either would be nuts

    mrhells ,

    I like and appreciate your style. thank you!

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