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RULES UPDATE: MOLDY POSTING AND AI POSTING

Sorry for two new pinned posts within the span of 24 hours. after coming back I figured some of the rules needed some updating, and it is policy to put any rule change up to vote for the members.

The two changes I currently would like to make, is increased enforcement of the moldy posting rule, and a new rule banning AI generated content.

moldy posting is when you post a meme that you would find on your aunt's Facebook page or Elon musk's Twitter account. I'm talking properly old, moldy, watermarked, painfully irrelevant posts. I think we should remove them simply because they kind of suck, and removing them would raise the level of quality of 196.

I believe we should ban AI generated content because it is exploitative by nature, and I don't think we should be feeding it.

please discuss in the comments, and vote on whether or not you think these changes should be made. vote on each change separately. if there are any other rule changes that you would like to suggest, now is the time.

janet_catcus ,

i have no aunt and i dont follow the loner, i am (not really) looking forward to learn what moldy memes are...

oh and fuck ai from the orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Korne127 ,
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I disagree with the rule banning AI content. Especially the dumb original imgflip AI can just generate super funny dumb captions to classical meme templates, and there is no harm in doing this (you cannot even decide with 100% certainty whether a human or an AI has generated it).
I also used to generate dumb nonsense jokes with the early open source LLMs (long before ChatGPT got released).

I think saying AI content is exploitative in nature is a bit short-sighted and just generalizing about all the different types of AI. If I, e.g. program my own AI to e.g. play a game, and make a meme about that, that's not exploitative. Imitating people's art without their consent is something different though.

I think it would be good to revisit this rule and maybe specify what exact content are not allowed or think about this, since generally there can be good AI meme content (also on a meta-layer, e.g. about people who take obvious fake AI pictures as something real) and just outright banning all of them is a bad idea in my opinion.

spujb ,

this is me voicing my dissent against the moldy posts rule, including restricting them to mondays. unless presented with a very clear set of examples that we can all (or majority) agree on, i think there’s no real utility to the rule and it just makes me afraid to post an image that i find genuinely funny.

on a level of pure aesthetics, it also just has a gross feel and i don’t want to log in on mondays to the word ‘moldy’ all over my feed ☹️

@moss please reconsider this rule or provide more information on the kind of content you intend on removing. i believe this choice to be contra to the spirit of 196.

good choice banning AI tho, thanks for that. 👍

Franzia ,

NGL the thing that will improve the quality of c/196 is getting me to follow the rule and encouraging original posts rather than sharing content. What makes a community great is understanding those who are in it.

Franzia ,

I think AI isnt exploitative by nature. The companies that own it of course are. AI is better as a technology if you are anti-copyright, as copyright almost universally protects profits of publishers and the owning class rather than creative laborers. However, AI also rarely makes interesting images or posts. Its kinda shit.

My take is I'm play with banning AI, but if someone in our community had the skills to use it to make quality posts I would be very open to it.

AI: ban it. Keep an eye open for quality AI posts though.
Moldy: Ban it.

lud ,

I don't think this sub should have any more rules.

Ai images can be very funny. And who cares about moldy images? Just downvote.

moss OP Mod ,
@moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

we don't have downvotes

lud ,

Forgot about that, lol.

So stupid.

I wonder what happens if I downvote you.

moss OP Mod ,
@moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I think it actually does change things but only for your specific instance, rather than globally all instances

megopie ,

Eh, yah, think those sound like good rules but I wouldn’t worry about enforcing them to hard unless there’s someone flaunting them repeatedly.

Octopus1348 ,
@Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

I'm in favor of "Moldy Mondays" as some people have mentioned.

And I support banning AI images, but not when it's like a Twitter screenshot that says something about the image.

Franzia ,

I really disliked this feature of many reddit subs where they'd have day of the week themes and posts. This idea in itself is moldy, its just reminds me of a smelly office atmosphere.

Nimfi ,
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    moss OP Mod ,
    @moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    real and valid

    megopie ,

    Oh my, are you not familiar with… chuck tingle? With his numerous works of ground breaking fiction? Such as, “space raptor butt invasion”, “Pounded in the butt by my own butt”, “Absolutely No Thoughts Of Pounding During My Fun Day With This Kind T-Rex Because I'm Aromantic And Asexual And That's A Wonderfully Valid Way Of Proving Love Is Real”, “ Trans Wizard Harriet Porber And The Bad Boy Parasaurolophus” and of course who could forget “Oppressed In The Butt By My Inclusive Holiday Coffee Cups”

    Stovetop ,

    I'm indifferent to outdated and AI content.

    Personally I don't think it's worth adding more to the rules than needed, especially when there are already people confused about what counts and what doesn't.

    thisbenzingring ,

    Here here!

    Also is your lawyer accepting new clients?

    moss OP Mod ,
    @moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I'm sorry I'm afraid I don't understand. what do you mean by that?

    thisbenzingring ,

    While I'm not good at impersonation, let's just say that Mac and cheese rules. And once my true intentions are exposed, I'm going to need that lawyer... Lesbians are cool so I'm doing that thing now where I'm stalling and I'm searching for an answer...

    FakeGreekGirl ,
    @FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I don't like the idea of increasing enforcement against moldy posts, just because I'm not super plugged in to things and I don't always know if something is moldy when I post it. Over enforcement of those kind of subjective rules tends to make it difficult for newbies to post.

    Completely on board with a no AI art rule though. Fuck AI.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I've Chuck Tingle posted in the past, so I was concerned that this was going to be an anti-Tingle policy, but fortunately it seems like it's about other things

    moss OP Mod ,
    @moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    anti-tingle policy
    I'd rather die

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    You are the best mod <3

    moss OP Mod ,
    @moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    thank you

    moosetwin ,
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    What do you mean by 'increased enforcement of the moldy posting rule'?
    I thought we only had one rule? /srs

    moss OP Mod ,
    @moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    The rules are pinned to the community homepage. think of it like one rule, but lots of regulations

    moosetwin ,
    @moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    This is all I see pinned on the homepage:

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/a77d3c2b-e77b-4a36-b84c-485c8db0bd44.png

    And the sidebar:

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/ff20b78a-3ee9-4855-8c99-40b5634353e8.png

    moss OP Mod ,
    @moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    that's weird. maybe it's federation issues?

    lud ,

    I don't see any rules either. I thought this community was like the Reddit one with minimal rules. A shame really.

    moss OP Mod ,
    @moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    That's so weird it's been pinned for like 8 months. also the Reddit community literally has rules

    lud ,

    I can now see the pinned post so whatever you did worked.

    Personally I think all rules should go in the sidebar and not a post but that's just my opinion.

    moss OP Mod ,
    @moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I repinned it. it seems to be if your instance is newer than when the post was pinned, it won't show up.

    moosetwin ,
    @moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I've just went to the community from your instance, and it doesn't appear there either. (I wasn't logged in though, if you'd like I could log in and try again.)

    ShadowFox ,
    @ShadowFox@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Not sure about the first change, but I absolutely support the second one. Fuck AI "art"!

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