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The transphobia stops now

This community is housed on an instance run by two trans women, focused on the needs of the queer and gender diverse community.

We allowed 196 here because we were promised the community is queer and trans inclusive.

If you're here it's because you're aggressively supportive of trans folk. Not middle of the ground, not "just asking questions".

If your response to that is, "yes, but..." then this isn't the instance for you, and by extension, this isn't the community for you.

tl;dr - Unambiguous support and inclusion, or fuck off somewhere else.

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Edit - I changed the phrase "aggressive support to "unambiguous support", as there was some confusion over the intent behind my previous phrasing.

LargestDong ,

Ohhhh you are that crazy person that loves to censor the shit out of anyone who dares speak out against your insanity

BNE ,
@BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Brother, that's not how we talk to people. Everyone here is treated like people and respected for their personhood. This isn't a theatre for bigoted nonsense - there's other platforms available if you want to attack people and get that out of your system.

Show people respect or leave people alone - but don't be like that.

SCmSTR ,

She doesn't like to, she does it because queer people are constantly being attacked and berated and then when we get tired of the shit, people get surprised and go, "oh why are you being so defensive, you're overly reactive". And she isn't insane, she's proud, protective, and proactive with a very low tolerance for any indication of more bullshit.

Personally, I would discuss certain events more fully, try to educate and understand, but, for better or for worse, the person with responsibility for the instance and everybody in it decided less chances rather than more and doesn't give a flying fuck what anybody thinks, and the more you press her, the more she's gonna tyrant all over you, and, honestly, most of the users here have her back because she's got ours.

Just... Be better to people, let others walk away from you if they want without YOU being a crazy person and being sensitive, reactive, and lashing out unnecessarily. You ever think about that perspective? You don't have to say anything, just move along and leave us in peace. Maybe once everything cools down in the future, she'll renegotiate and reanalyze and possibly consider reconnecting. Y'all can defed from us crazy folk if you want at that time. You're free to walk away too.

Darthjaffacake ,

I'll be honest I think alienating people feeling in the middle is a bad idea, making an echo chainber is ehat those other websites are for, and people on the middle ground are the ones whose beliefs matter the most as they they are the only ones that will change things.

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

There shouldnt be any middle ground on the statement "trans rights are human rights". If you think there's room for compromise on the oppression of marginalized groups then you're either a lost cause or willfully ignorant of the world around you. People that are in a safe space, specifically dedicated to them and people like them, have no obligation to educate or entertain disingenuous "discourse" about whether or not they should be allowed to exist.

Darthjaffacake ,

That's not what I'm talking about and yeah there's no middle ground on the fact trans people should have human rights. I'm not sure how to put this into words but pretty much if you live in a place where you can't see trans people around you (as in trans people not being allowed to be free and safe in public) it's hard for people to just get a grasp on "this person exists and is trans and is a person" thats the big milestone. Getting people recognised as people. A while before i dated her i didn't understand how to feel comfortable with the idea (much of it was through fun memes supporting trans stuff in non-toxic ways). But my point is that showing that trans people exist and are normal is really important for the world right now, we need the people in the middle ground to know that your rights are being violated and something needs to be done because the middle does change that vote the most.

CYCLR ,

Personally, I don't think about other people's sexuality all that much, so I guess that makes me a non-aggressive supporter.

It's weird to impose this type of stuff, but I respect that this is your little space on the internet, so I'm leaving, as you asked. Thank you for the smiles and laughs.

ssfckdt ,
@ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud avatar

trans is not a sexuality

1stTime4MeInMCU ,

“I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's greatest stumbling block in his strike toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku
Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to
'order' than to justice.'

Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Not to equivocate trans and black liberation because they are very different, but do you think “aggressive” or “non aggressive” supporter of race rights better slots into the whites who demonstrated their unwillingness to go along with racism or the ones who were like “I don’t care about your race, I’m not a racist, but how dare you ask me to support you in any meaningful or visible way?”

CYCLR ,

Good point! I do think it's important to support trans rights, but I'd be a hypocrite if I said I AGGRESSIVELY support the cause. There's just a lot going on in my life right now, I just want to keep a clear mind, is all.

That being said, I never agree with or accept signs of transphobia.

ada OP ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

What I mean by aggressively is, without caveats, without "but..."'s, without ambiguity. Your support needs to be clearly on the support side.

You don't need to be an activist. You don't need to be out marching or even commenting on trans stuff, but your opinion on trans folks should be unambiguously on the "support" side of things.

CYCLR ,

Oh, that's a much better description. I think I'll stay for longer then, thank you!

Lightsong ,

Just wondering what does 196 means anyway? Clueless lemmy user here.

Ps I'm ally of LGBTQ2S+.

Mozingo ,
@Mozingo@lemmy.world avatar

Back on Reddit some dude and his roomates made a subreddit called r/195 (their dorm number). It only had one rule, when you visit, you have to post a meme. Eventually the public found the subreddit and started posting their own memes. It got huge and out of hand and some awful stuff started getting posted so they finally deleted the subreddit. That disappointed a bunch of people so a sequel was made, r/196. This community is a recreation of that second subreddit.

There1snospoon7491 ,

This should be in the sidebar so the lore isn’t lost.

PrivateNoob ,
@PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz avatar

Curious question, what made 196 so popular in the trans community? I have always seen some trans memes on Reddit, but it seems the ratio is even higher here (and some anti police stuff, idk I'm not american).

Is it because this is a place you can express yourself freely on the web, or is there something more to it?

ada OP ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Honestly, I have no idea. We ended up with this community during the massive reddit migration because we are a queer focused instance, but I'm not sure of the history. I didn't even know the community existed before that :)

LeylaaLovee ,

I have no idea what the history of 196 being queer is, but it was an extremely queer subreddit. I think it has something to do with how many trans people also happen to be shitposters.

CreamyWeenie ,
@CreamyWeenie@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It was the only (as far as I know) general shitposting community on reddit that wasn't casually racist/homophobic/transphobic, because of this a lot of LGBTQ+ people flocked to it for their memes.

noisehound ,

iirc, for awhile the first and only user flair available on r/196 was "trans rights"

EremesZorn ,

I'm here because 196 shows up on my feed and I really enjoy the memes.
I also have absolutely no problem with trans individuals or really any lifestyle anyone wants to live that isn't hurting anyone else.
That said, was there an incident recently on here that spurred the creation of this post? Did something go down?
Edit: Changed "bothering" to "hurting" because I frankly don't give a fuck about the feelings of the type of people that are "bothered" by LGBT+.

LeylaaLovee ,

Someone made a comment saying that they'd be down to fuck a trans man if they hadn't transitioned yet because he likes women. It was controversial, but then one of the mods here decided to post a screenshot of that comment on the main, and the people in the comments were fucking horrendous. It's all "I'm an ally, but..." statements. Some of them were fine, but even the best ones were just people taking the opportunity to say that they don't wanna fuck trans people. And that's fine, you don't have to be attracted to trans people at all, but a trans safe space isn't the spot for that discussion at all.

The mod shouldn't have posted what's essentially bait, nor should they have not actually moderated the thread after posting the bait. I'm pretty sure the instance admin ended up having to handle it. The guy who made the original comment is saying it was him, but that's not really what matters. This controversy was more about properly moderating the space than anything.

agent_flounder ,

Trans people are regular, real people. Like my college friend. Or my wife's HS friend. Or that one kind soul I worked with once.

I'm so god damn sick of all the hatred and lies and bullshit and murder and sadistic laws against trans people.

I loudly applaud any space that actively supports trans people and gives them a place free from hatred and assholes.

EremesZorn ,

The fact that they need a space away from everyone else, and the fact that this post even had to be made, is a testament to mankind's inhumanity to man. People are people, but there's an unsettling amount of people that can't see past creed, color, sexuality, and so on.
I'd say it's a monument to our own hubris as well. We're the most advanced civilization that we know exists, but still can't seem to treat members of our own society right.

alternative_factor ,

There was transphobia in 196? HOW?

unmarketableplushie ,
@unmarketableplushie@pawb.social avatar

One of the mods made a post about how this comment being really creepy about trans men's bodies somehow wasn't transphobic and then deleted it after people started calling them out lol

LeylaaLovee ,

Thank you for providing good context on this thread. The original comment was ass, but not important overall. If the mod hadn't decided to explicitly defend it, this wouldn't even be a conversation. This entire discourse would have been avoided if it wasn't for a shitty mod post.

unmarketableplushie ,
@unmarketableplushie@pawb.social avatar

Nedankinde. This is an issue we all care about, after all.

BraBraBra ,

Defending it is the only sane response. He was literally asked for his opinion. Is it homophobic for a straight person not find the same gender attractive? Of course not. Then how is transphobic for a cis man not to be into penises? It's completely bizarre reasoning.

good_girl ,
@good_girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Fuck off.

Genital preferences are valid as far as any preference for physical attributes but when you're reducing people to purely genitals it's gross and no respect needs to be given to the argument.

BraBraBra ,

That's not what happened. In the context of dating and sex it's an extremely relevant point. Sounds like you're mad at a headline without reading the article, in a manner of speaking. So you fuck off.

good_girl ,
@good_girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The original comment literally boiled down to "boobs and vagina is woman, penis is man".

BraBraBra ,

No it didn't. He explained he would be put off by a transitioned trans man. Go through their comment history and you'll see they'd be comfortable dating preop, as long as their partner is comfortable with them finding their femininity attractive.

LeylaaLovee ,

The mod could have just... Not responded to it like they don't respond to thousands of comments. You're not listening to the point. If you're straight, don't fuck trans men because you view them as women because vagina and boob

BraBraBra ,

The guy said he wasn't into dicks and that it would be weird to like something about his partner that they would want gone and dislike. That's not transphobic. It honestly bonkers that people find that to be transphobic.

unmarketableplushie ,
@unmarketableplushie@pawb.social avatar

https://pawb.social/pictrs/image/0db840ed-5ec5-4204-bde4-44db9b059c26.jpeg

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Most people seem to agree it wasn't transphobia, but here's the context: https://lemmy.world/post/1893561

There was some transphobia that came crawling out like usually happens when a trans topic starts getting active, but they got shut down pretty quickly

ada OP ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

There was some transphobia that came crawling out like usually happens when a trans topic starts getting active

That is what prompted this post. It happens every single time trans stuff comes up. There is no space for it here.

hypelightfly ,

To be clear, some of the comments you removed were from the person you are now replying to.

ada OP ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yes, I'm aware. You can see the list here https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog?page=1&userId=170858

They were removed, because a meme community on a trans run instance isn't the place for a discussion on the specifics of why you don't want to fuck trans people.

We hear that enough, every day, in every place we look online. We don't need it here too.

Was the post transphobic? That depends on who you ask, but either way, what it wasn't is "unambiguously supportive"

It's also worth pointing out that those posts were not the trigger for this thread

Zymii ,
@Zymii@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

a meme community on a trans run instance isn't the place for a discussion on the specifics of why you don't want to fuck trans people.

I really wish more people got this

Juno ,

I was thinking about this in the context of a conversation I was privy to recently boiled down it was basically
"I don't have a problem with trans people
But...sexually assaulting kids is bad
But...teaching sexual orientation to 3 year Olds is bad"

I don't want to have to feel like I need to "just leave"

persolb ,

Honestly I didn’t realize this was a trans community. I thought ‘196’ was just some random number like the ‘4’ in 4chan. 196 just had good content. The fact it’s inclusive is just a bonus.

DrQuint ,

That's partially to blame for all 196 communities having this weird "if you know you know" approach to writing their mission statement and rules. I've seen numerous people ask wth is 196 because of how vague the communities they saw were.

But, particularly about the social politics, here's also the thing I think. Trans rights are human rights. Communities fall under two categories: Welcoming to trans people, versus inherently evil. So I don't think that a community is pro-trans should ever have to be stated. It should be assume, and whoever has a problem with it should go fuck off from society, Satan has a place for them.

UnculturedSwine ,

The entire instance lemmy.blahaj.zone is a trans themed instance therefore every community on it is slanted towards trans community and support.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blåhaj

ShaggyDemiurge ,
@ShaggyDemiurge@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It's not a trans community per se, it's more of a more trans-friendly shitposting community. Like, I think, even now majority of posters aren't trans. And majority of content is not trans-themed, it's not traa. It's a good place if you don't want to see only trans-themed memes, but also don't want to see transphobia

Zoop ,

HELL YEAH 💖

Dee ,

Can you see my reply? I'm on lemmy.world and I thought it was still defederated from Beehaw so I shouldn't be able to see your comment O_o (I'm used to being more active on my beehaw account so using my lemmy.world account threw me off, disregard this lol)

P.S. Yay trans rights and having a pro-trans meme space 😄

Mozingo ,
@Mozingo@lemmy.world avatar

Being defederated just means you can't see new posts on beehaw communities and they can't see your communities at all. If your instance and beehaw are both federated with a third instance, like the one this community is on, then you'll still be able to see comments by beehaw users on that instance.

Dee ,

I'm not sure about that. I think it might be a glitch or something because I never see beehaw comments on lemmy.world and never see lemmy.world comments on my beehaw account. Like, I can't see the comment I made on this account from my beehaw account.

Just thought it was odd.

I was just being dumb, Monzingo is right.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Let me just make sure I got this right

Dee is on lemmy.world

Zoop is on beehaw

This thread is on lemmy.blahaj.zone

So Dee and Zoop can see each other's comments since neither lemmy.world nor beehaw is defederated from blahaj.zone?

It's like a border state or something

Dee ,

I can see Zoop's comment, but Zoop can't see mine. Because beehaw is defederated from lemmy.world but lemmy.world has not chosen to defederate from beehaw so it still gets the comments from beehaw users.

Actually because all these replies are to my lemmy.world account Zoop can't see this entire exchange, and I can't see it on my beehaw account either. I just had a brain fart.

gramathy ,

Accorded neutral ground

ssfckdt ,
@ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud avatar

I can see your comment, but I'm on mastodon.cloud. 🙂

Dee ,

Thanks, bud. It's nice to be seen 🙂

QualisArtifexPereo ,

Joining most of the people here in saying, "Huh, what community?" I'm not against trans people, and I despise bigots, but I'm not a part of your community either.

To be honest I don't care to be part of any federated community that defines itself by what it won't tolerate, grow up and use the block feature.

Doug ,

grow up and use the block feature.

I'm really sick of this talking point. If history hasn't demonstrated to you that ignoring a problem doesn't resolve the problem then you take ought to go back and read some more.

If you can't stand to be bothered by others trying to carve out consideration for your fellow humans then I'm glad this may be our only interaction.

Rozauhtuno ,
@Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

"Not gay as in happy, but queer as in fuck you!"

TRANS RIGHTS blobhaj, flag, trans, transgender

ShittyKopper ,
@ShittyKopper@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

after seeing this for a brief moment i forgot lemmy supported headings in markdown and assumed it started supporting MFM

i've been spending too much time on calckey firefish

ombremad ,

Thank you so much. We need that more than anything right now — where transphobic content tends to be the default on the web.

If this is the time to go full aggressive for our rights, count me in!

(And if you’re here to passive-aggressively complain about how you « don’t care about people’s sexuality » and making everyone notice you’re leaving — let me be very active-aggressive in saying « good fucking riddance » to you.)

akariii ,

heheh, i like this comment

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Every single transphobe right now:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f0f33034-d603-4fbc-a1c6-2f3ad1fb00d0.png

imPastaSyndrome ,

Literally right below this.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

basically lamb glinahan.

HollowNaught ,
@HollowNaught@lemmy.world avatar

Human rights are human rights, no matter who you are

THEMASTERMIND ,

Agreed no transphobia

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