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The transphobia stops now

This community is housed on an instance run by two trans women, focused on the needs of the queer and gender diverse community.

We allowed 196 here because we were promised the community is queer and trans inclusive.

If you're here it's because you're aggressively supportive of trans folk. Not middle of the ground, not "just asking questions".

If your response to that is, "yes, but..." then this isn't the instance for you, and by extension, this isn't the community for you.

tl;dr - Unambiguous support and inclusion, or fuck off somewhere else.

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Edit - I changed the phrase "aggressive support to "unambiguous support", as there was some confusion over the intent behind my previous phrasing.

CYCLR ,

Personally, I don't think about other people's sexuality all that much, so I guess that makes me a non-aggressive supporter.

It's weird to impose this type of stuff, but I respect that this is your little space on the internet, so I'm leaving, as you asked. Thank you for the smiles and laughs.

ssfckdt ,
@ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud avatar

trans is not a sexuality

1stTime4MeInMCU ,

“I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's greatest stumbling block in his strike toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku
Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to
'order' than to justice.'

Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Not to equivocate trans and black liberation because they are very different, but do you think “aggressive” or “non aggressive” supporter of race rights better slots into the whites who demonstrated their unwillingness to go along with racism or the ones who were like “I don’t care about your race, I’m not a racist, but how dare you ask me to support you in any meaningful or visible way?”

CYCLR ,

Good point! I do think it's important to support trans rights, but I'd be a hypocrite if I said I AGGRESSIVELY support the cause. There's just a lot going on in my life right now, I just want to keep a clear mind, is all.

That being said, I never agree with or accept signs of transphobia.

ada OP ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

What I mean by aggressively is, without caveats, without "but..."'s, without ambiguity. Your support needs to be clearly on the support side.

You don't need to be an activist. You don't need to be out marching or even commenting on trans stuff, but your opinion on trans folks should be unambiguously on the "support" side of things.

CYCLR ,

Oh, that's a much better description. I think I'll stay for longer then, thank you!

Zoop ,

HELL YEAH 💖

Dee ,

Can you see my reply? I'm on lemmy.world and I thought it was still defederated from Beehaw so I shouldn't be able to see your comment O_o (I'm used to being more active on my beehaw account so using my lemmy.world account threw me off, disregard this lol)

P.S. Yay trans rights and having a pro-trans meme space 😄

Mozingo ,
@Mozingo@lemmy.world avatar

Being defederated just means you can't see new posts on beehaw communities and they can't see your communities at all. If your instance and beehaw are both federated with a third instance, like the one this community is on, then you'll still be able to see comments by beehaw users on that instance.

Dee ,

I'm not sure about that. I think it might be a glitch or something because I never see beehaw comments on lemmy.world and never see lemmy.world comments on my beehaw account. Like, I can't see the comment I made on this account from my beehaw account.

Just thought it was odd.

I was just being dumb, Monzingo is right.

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Let me just make sure I got this right

Dee is on lemmy.world

Zoop is on beehaw

This thread is on lemmy.blahaj.zone

So Dee and Zoop can see each other's comments since neither lemmy.world nor beehaw is defederated from blahaj.zone?

It's like a border state or something

Dee ,

I can see Zoop's comment, but Zoop can't see mine. Because beehaw is defederated from lemmy.world but lemmy.world has not chosen to defederate from beehaw so it still gets the comments from beehaw users.

Actually because all these replies are to my lemmy.world account Zoop can't see this entire exchange, and I can't see it on my beehaw account either. I just had a brain fart.

gramathy ,

Accorded neutral ground

ssfckdt ,
@ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud avatar

I can see your comment, but I'm on mastodon.cloud. 🙂

Dee ,

Thanks, bud. It's nice to be seen 🙂

TTH4P ,

Aggressive support given!

detectivesniffles ,

WHATS THAT SORRY I CANT HEAR YOU IM CRANKING THE HOG RIGHT NOW TRANSPHOBES GTFO (DISRESPECTFULLY) 🏳️‍⚧️

Lightsong ,

Just wondering what does 196 means anyway? Clueless lemmy user here.

Ps I'm ally of LGBTQ2S+.

Mozingo ,
@Mozingo@lemmy.world avatar

Back on Reddit some dude and his roomates made a subreddit called r/195 (their dorm number). It only had one rule, when you visit, you have to post a meme. Eventually the public found the subreddit and started posting their own memes. It got huge and out of hand and some awful stuff started getting posted so they finally deleted the subreddit. That disappointed a bunch of people so a sequel was made, r/196. This community is a recreation of that second subreddit.

There1snospoon7491 ,

This should be in the sidebar so the lore isn’t lost.

ombremad ,

Thank you so much. We need that more than anything right now — where transphobic content tends to be the default on the web.

If this is the time to go full aggressive for our rights, count me in!

(And if you’re here to passive-aggressively complain about how you « don’t care about people’s sexuality » and making everyone notice you’re leaving — let me be very active-aggressive in saying « good fucking riddance » to you.)

akariii ,

heheh, i like this comment

UnculturedSwine ,

This is what the fediverse was created for. Casual transphobia doesn't need to be permitted and I fully support that.

alternative_factor ,

There was transphobia in 196? HOW?

unmarketableplushie ,
@unmarketableplushie@pawb.social avatar

One of the mods made a post about how this comment being really creepy about trans men's bodies somehow wasn't transphobic and then deleted it after people started calling them out lol

LeylaaLovee ,

Thank you for providing good context on this thread. The original comment was ass, but not important overall. If the mod hadn't decided to explicitly defend it, this wouldn't even be a conversation. This entire discourse would have been avoided if it wasn't for a shitty mod post.

unmarketableplushie ,
@unmarketableplushie@pawb.social avatar

Nedankinde. This is an issue we all care about, after all.

BraBraBra ,

Defending it is the only sane response. He was literally asked for his opinion. Is it homophobic for a straight person not find the same gender attractive? Of course not. Then how is transphobic for a cis man not to be into penises? It's completely bizarre reasoning.

good_girl ,
@good_girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Fuck off.

Genital preferences are valid as far as any preference for physical attributes but when you're reducing people to purely genitals it's gross and no respect needs to be given to the argument.

BraBraBra ,

That's not what happened. In the context of dating and sex it's an extremely relevant point. Sounds like you're mad at a headline without reading the article, in a manner of speaking. So you fuck off.

good_girl ,
@good_girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The original comment literally boiled down to "boobs and vagina is woman, penis is man".

BraBraBra ,

No it didn't. He explained he would be put off by a transitioned trans man. Go through their comment history and you'll see they'd be comfortable dating preop, as long as their partner is comfortable with them finding their femininity attractive.

LeylaaLovee ,

The mod could have just... Not responded to it like they don't respond to thousands of comments. You're not listening to the point. If you're straight, don't fuck trans men because you view them as women because vagina and boob

BraBraBra ,

The guy said he wasn't into dicks and that it would be weird to like something about his partner that they would want gone and dislike. That's not transphobic. It honestly bonkers that people find that to be transphobic.

unmarketableplushie ,
@unmarketableplushie@pawb.social avatar

https://pawb.social/pictrs/image/0db840ed-5ec5-4204-bde4-44db9b059c26.jpeg

Aesthesiaphilia ,

Most people seem to agree it wasn't transphobia, but here's the context: https://lemmy.world/post/1893561

There was some transphobia that came crawling out like usually happens when a trans topic starts getting active, but they got shut down pretty quickly

ada OP ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

There was some transphobia that came crawling out like usually happens when a trans topic starts getting active

That is what prompted this post. It happens every single time trans stuff comes up. There is no space for it here.

hypelightfly ,

To be clear, some of the comments you removed were from the person you are now replying to.

ada OP ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yes, I'm aware. You can see the list here https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog?page=1&userId=170858

They were removed, because a meme community on a trans run instance isn't the place for a discussion on the specifics of why you don't want to fuck trans people.

We hear that enough, every day, in every place we look online. We don't need it here too.

Was the post transphobic? That depends on who you ask, but either way, what it wasn't is "unambiguously supportive"

It's also worth pointing out that those posts were not the trigger for this thread

Zymii ,
@Zymii@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

a meme community on a trans run instance isn't the place for a discussion on the specifics of why you don't want to fuck trans people.

I really wish more people got this

Juno ,

I was thinking about this in the context of a conversation I was privy to recently boiled down it was basically
"I don't have a problem with trans people
But...sexually assaulting kids is bad
But...teaching sexual orientation to 3 year Olds is bad"

I don't want to have to feel like I need to "just leave"

persolb ,

Honestly I didn’t realize this was a trans community. I thought ‘196’ was just some random number like the ‘4’ in 4chan. 196 just had good content. The fact it’s inclusive is just a bonus.

DrQuint ,

That's partially to blame for all 196 communities having this weird "if you know you know" approach to writing their mission statement and rules. I've seen numerous people ask wth is 196 because of how vague the communities they saw were.

But, particularly about the social politics, here's also the thing I think. Trans rights are human rights. Communities fall under two categories: Welcoming to trans people, versus inherently evil. So I don't think that a community is pro-trans should ever have to be stated. It should be assume, and whoever has a problem with it should go fuck off from society, Satan has a place for them.

UnculturedSwine ,

The entire instance lemmy.blahaj.zone is a trans themed instance therefore every community on it is slanted towards trans community and support.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blåhaj

ShaggyDemiurge ,
@ShaggyDemiurge@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It's not a trans community per se, it's more of a more trans-friendly shitposting community. Like, I think, even now majority of posters aren't trans. And majority of content is not trans-themed, it's not traa. It's a good place if you don't want to see only trans-themed memes, but also don't want to see transphobia

thisbenzingring ,

I don't subscribe to this community but I found your post in the top of my feed. And want people to know, you have my support. I think it's awesome that you're able to build this community.

I'm not going to be aggressive in any online discussion but I am very sensitive to the situation. My brother was a gay man who had lots of difficulties and ultimately took his own life. I will always wonder if society was different, if he'd still be here.

So I will never shy away in real life. I promised the memories of my brother to always be that change that is needed. I will be that cis dude who takes the time to try and change people who show me their bigotry.

I know people in real life who have transitioned. It's a very difficult process and anyone who feels that they need it, they should have access to it. The look of being comfortable in one's own skin afterwards is absolutely observable. I can only do what I can do but you will always have an ally in me.

UhBell ,
@UhBell@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2d133ebd-1707-4428-8e8d-198c5f780c0c.jpeg

pjb ,
@pjb@lemmy.spacestation14.com avatar

What the fuck, transphobia on 196?

Trans rights 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

wildeaboutoskar ,
@wildeaboutoskar@beehaw.org avatar

Not on your instance but it's so good to see unequivocal inclusion and support for the trans community. There should be no room for bigotry of any kind.

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Hello, Based Department, we've got another Based Community here.

Trans rights are human rights!

PrivateNoob ,
@PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz avatar

Curious question, what made 196 so popular in the trans community? I have always seen some trans memes on Reddit, but it seems the ratio is even higher here (and some anti police stuff, idk I'm not american).

Is it because this is a place you can express yourself freely on the web, or is there something more to it?

ada OP ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Honestly, I have no idea. We ended up with this community during the massive reddit migration because we are a queer focused instance, but I'm not sure of the history. I didn't even know the community existed before that :)

LeylaaLovee ,

I have no idea what the history of 196 being queer is, but it was an extremely queer subreddit. I think it has something to do with how many trans people also happen to be shitposters.

CreamyWeenie ,
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It was the only (as far as I know) general shitposting community on reddit that wasn't casually racist/homophobic/transphobic, because of this a lot of LGBTQ+ people flocked to it for their memes.

noisehound ,

iirc, for awhile the first and only user flair available on r/196 was "trans rights"

expected_crayon ,

Thank god. Reddit and Twitter were ruined by the transphobic and Nazis. Glad that isn’t tolerated here.

toadstorm ,

i am old and cis but trans shitposters are the best shitposters, this is indisputable. you have my support

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