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ajsadauskas ,
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Time for an ICQ for the Fediverse?

Looks like ICQ is finally shutting down, just as interest in retro internet tools is growing.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/25/24164579/icq-shut-down-june

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django ,

XMPP and Matrix are already there.
A large tree grows from a green platform labeled “ActivityPub + more”. ActivityPub is a protocol for communicating between different applications in the Fediverse. The trunk of the tree is labeled The Fediverse, to indicate that all the applications within the tree crown are part of the The Fediverse.
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harcesz ,
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Actually... a bridge between XMPP, Matrix and Fedi-based private messages would be interesting.

poVoq ,
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For XMPP and ActivityPub it already exists as part of the Libervia project.

interdimensionalmeme ,

It would be great to be able any of these clients with any of these servers and that all users could talk to each other

poVoq ,
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I have been advocating for a while how easy it is to integrate a lightweight XMPP server with fediverse instances. The accounts can be easily linked and the user address is the same.

Here on slrpnk.net for example every member automatically also has an XMPP account.

ademir ,
@ademir@lemmy.eco.br avatar
offtopic

Você fala português também! Fiquei surpreso outro dia que vi sua postagem 😅

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar
offtopic

Ainda estou a aprender português.

skullgiver ,
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    poVoq ,
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    Every modern XMPP server supports XMPP over HTTPS (via BOSH or Websockets) and it works just fine.

    But I wasn't actually taking about integrating it in the UI of the fediverse instance itself. Which would be nice to have, but really not vital at all if you have a nice mobile chat client.

    Omniraptor ,

    dam that's awesome, is your code open source? I want this for .ee

    poVoq ,
    @poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

    https://f-hub.org/Solarpunk/ejabberd-auth-lemmy

    It has some smaller issues, but overall it works well.

    Henry ,
    @Henry@lemmy.zip avatar

    Matrix.org has been there for years.

    sabreW4K3 ,
    @sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

    I believe dansup is working on a chat app for the Fediverse.

    ademir ,
    @ademir@lemmy.eco.br avatar

    @dansup Please consider using xmpp

    sexy_peach ,

    what do you have in mind? Jabber/XMPP is very similar.

    sexy_peach , (edited )

    It runs on any old raspberry pi (any but raspberry pi 1 I believe) in your house, can be used by family and friends as well. Has iOS and Android apps... I have had good experiences with the easy to set up https://snikket.org/ XMPP server.

    KISSmyOSFeddit ,

    Yeah, let's recreate every dead service within the Fediverse! With open source and 2 dozen active users!

    screw_dog ,
    @screw_dog@aus.social avatar

    @KISSmyOSFeddit @ajsadauskas ooh, ooh! Can we fork it a few times too??

    interdimensionalmeme ,

    NNTP version 2.0

    Dirk ,
    @Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

    ICQ for the Fediverse

    You mean, like XMPP?

    DavidGarcia ,

    Uh Oh!

    breadsmasher ,
    @breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

    matrix is chat for fediverse

    fishos ,
    @fishos@lemmy.world avatar

    "Hey bro! Here's some 20 year old program! We should totally reinvent it today! It's not like anyone has been working on this exact thing for the last 20 years!". Wtf is with the younger generations obsession with "retro tech"?!? "Look bro, I can do the same thing we can do now, but slower and worse!"

    Also Matrix. If you're gonna suggest something, maybe make sure it doesn't already exist.

    poVoq ,
    @poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

    "Look bro, I can do the same thing we can do now, but slower and worse!”

    Best description of Matrix (in relation to XMPP) I read in a while 😎

    fishos ,
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    All these people "rediscovering" old tech like we didn't abandon it for a reason. No, I don't want to build a PC out of old Commodore 64s that barely works and needs to be coded in assembly when I can literally get a mini PC that's 100x more powerful for $120.

    interdimensionalmeme ,

    XMPP doesn't have link previews or posting, photo albums, even the idea of a picture with caption text us foreign. No comment reaction, retraction or replies. Inline video or video stream, lol no, even gifs don't work. Talking or video chat ? Not even in your dreams.
    No wonder the youths hang out on discord

    bamfic ,

    I don't give a shit about any of those things. I'm fine with chat that just doea chat.

    interdimensionalmeme ,

    I think the few remaining devs agree with you. We think this suck & look forward to whatever comes next. Xmpp is stuck in the past.

    poVoq ,
    @poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

    You are very outdated in your info about xmpp. Most of the stuff you mention is available these days.

    interdimensionalmeme ,

    I manage the xmpp server of my friend group and we don't have any of that in gajim conversation and siskin

    poVoq ,
    @poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

    Gajim will have some more of that in the next version, Monocles or Cheogram have more modern features than Conversations and Siskin is very outdated feature wise and you should probably replace it with Monal.

    That said it is not true that the three clients you mentioned have none of that. Sure they don't have all of it, and there is some feature mismatch between them, but you are making it sound much worse than it is.

    Oh and you can always use Movim which has most of the features you mentioned.

    interdimensionalmeme ,

    Thanks, I told the ios users to give monal a try. One responded it didn't work last time he tried. I will try the android app.

    I think the most annoying is tge lack of opengraph support, bot or server side if it has to be. But no url preview suuuuuucks

    singpolyma ,
    @singpolyma@lemmy.ml avatar

    Cheogram Android has the send half of URL preview. I will be adding display on the receive side this year when I get the time.

    interdimensionalmeme ,

    Thanks for suggestion I will try that one

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