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sailingbythelee ,

I spent several hours trying to figure out why the fish shell configuration page (which is a dynamically generated local web page) wouldn't work, including uninstalling the snap version of Firefox and using apt to try to install the normal version of Firefox. Because neither version of Firefox could open the page, I spent hours trying to diagnose why the fish shell wasn't working properly. Eventually, I installed a different browser and it worked. I finally figured out that it was because Canonical tricked me into re-installing the snap version of Firefox via apt even though that is clearly not what I wanted. I'm still a bit salty about it.

crispy_kilt ,

apt-get masterrace represent

jabjoe ,
@jabjoe@feddit.uk avatar

Yes, but use just "apt" today.

crispy_kilt ,

Unstable cli warning says no

jabjoe ,
@jabjoe@feddit.uk avatar

The daily stuff is. I switched years ago.

crispy_kilt ,

Good for you

mr_right ,
@mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar
ichbinjasokreativ ,

Nala is fantastic! You sometimes also get a funny typo.

therealjcdenton ,
@therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip avatar

Anime, bad post

rickyrigatoni ,
@rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee avatar

the real jc denton would love anime. you're an impostor.

therealjcdenton ,
@therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip avatar

I am the real JC Denton and I don't like anime

rickyrigatoni ,
@rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee avatar

convincing enough for me i guess

ipkpjersi ,

I think you mean Linux + Anime, good post.

Aatube ,
@Aatube@kbin.melroy.org avatar

I want to know the meaning of the original image

flemtone ,

I would rather have a native .deb package, this is why I use Linux Mint and if really necessary I will grab a flatpak.

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

With current ubuntu shenanigans better use lmde

onlinepersona ,

LMDE is a distro?

DestroyMegacorps ,

Linux mint debian edition

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

cinnamon.

Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Linux Mint Debian Edition

onlinepersona ,

I see! So close to LXDE.

Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment

jaybone ,

Isn’t Mint already Debian based? What is the difference between mint and lmde?

rickyrigatoni ,
@rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee avatar

Mint is Ubuntu based which is Debian based which is just plainly Based.

Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Linux Mint is Ubuntu based as it originally started as a protest distro against decisions take by canonical.
LMDE cuts out the middle man and is directly based on Debian.
If you use Cinnamon DE and like LTS releases; where secure patches are backported and feature releases are held back until the next major release, then LMDE is a good choice.

null ,
@null@slrpnk.net avatar

What shenanigans?

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

That was showed in the op meme

null ,
@null@slrpnk.net avatar

Linux Mint doesn't use snaps by default

Shareni ,

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it doesn't even come with snap installed. Idk why you're getting downvoted

null , (edited )
@null@slrpnk.net avatar

Me neither, that was the whole point of the parent comment about using Mint.

Edit: the people have redeemed me from the -5 I was at before.

rickyrigatoni ,
@rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee avatar

Maybe some people are worried that eventually snaps will be so ingrained into Ubuntu that it'll be too difficult for derivatives to remove?

idfk. just install gentoo, guys.

null ,
@null@slrpnk.net avatar

NixOS, but yeah

Alejandro_ ,

Yeah, you have to remove an apt preference to be able to install Snap
https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/snap.html

the devs seem pretty against it.

redcalcium ,

Ubuntu, please stop! Her neck is going to snap!

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

*snaps*

Andrew15_5 ,
@Andrew15_5@mander.xyz avatar

Ooh, snap!

superweeniehutjrs ,

I'm uninformed, why were things like snap and flatpak created?

I barely understand docker, but I'm starting to understand why it can be beneficial, although bloated.

Rikj000 ,
@Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Flatpak:
To limit shady proprietary software from accessing your full storage / hardware.
You can manage the sandbox access through tools like FlatSeal.

Snap:
To ruin your day / user experience.

Both where introduced as a universal way to distribute packages on various distros.

onlinepersona ,

The only attempt at answering the question 👍

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

redcalcium ,

People are annoyed by canonical shoving snaps into their mouth at every opportunity (people want to choose when to use them by themselves), but there are many legitimate reasons for existence of snap and flatpak. Here are some of them:

  • the app developers themselves are in full control of their app's distribution and updates instead of relying on distro maintainers. devs getting some angry mails for bugs already fixed but not yet included by distros is tale as old as time.
  • simplified dependency management. what's stopping the dev from packaging their app using distro's native package management instead? whelp, they don't want to deal with this stuff. It can be a hard work, and there are dozens of distros out there to support.
  • protecting users data. when you run an app installed from your distro's package manager, you know you can trust it because your distro maintainers have vetted the app to make sure it doesn't read your mail or your browser history or your ssh keys. when you download the app from a third party source, you can only pray to god that those apps won't mess with your data behind your back. You don't have to worry about that when you use sandboxed apps like flatpak.
ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

As an end user I actually love them (yes I know, sacrilege). Flatpak is my preference, but I also prefer pretty much anything to Ubuntu in its defailg state so that might have something to do with it.

kautau , (edited )

Yup, what makes flatpak more akin to the open source spirit is that new submissions to flathub are open source and rely on a PR model

https://docs.flathub.org/docs/for-app-authors/submission/

https://github.com/flathub/flathub/pulls

And software that exists on flathub is open and accessible in their repositories

https://github.com/orgs/flathub/repositories

Whereas snaps are a web based walled garden controlled by canonical

https://snapcraft.io/docs/using-the-snap-store

They both provide benefit as you explained, but flathub (flatpak’s default repo) is definitely more open in how it is handled

bluGill ,

None of the the benefits you state apply to something a distribution provides and so I don't understand why Ubuntu is pushing them.

redcalcium ,

Packaging applications is a hard work so they obviously want the devs to do it themselves. For example, canonical push hard so their users use snap for firefox because it's maintained by firefox devs themselves. Firefox updates very often and has complex build system, so I think canonical is tired of allocating significant resource to support it and want to stop maintaining firefox package if they can.

hperrin ,

You still have to worry about that with Flatpak. Like, don’t give a calculator app permission to read all your files and access the internet.

rickyrigatoni ,
@rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee avatar

but what if my calculator app needs to check its calculations with wolfram alpha

Shareni ,

why were things like snap and flatpak created?

If you're using a stable distro, the repo will end up with programs that are years out of date. So instead of compiling manually, you use flatpak/snap/appimage/nix/guix as an extra package manager. They also allow devs to release cross-distro packages.

I barely understand docker

although bloated.

kadu ,
@kadu@lemmy.world avatar

For a few packages, yes. You can change this behavior, but there's no GUI for it.

franklin ,
@franklin@lemmy.world avatar

I like flatpak for someone who is terminally gui.

GravitySpoiled ,

Yes. Very mean.

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