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zcd ,

Cat is a standard util you bastard!

DarkwinDuck ,

Just use bat!

billgamesh ,

it's bloatware

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

It's coreutil

lugal ,

Linux isn't even on the list but neither is mac. Makes you think

chayleaf ,

because killing birds isn't a task of the kernel, it's the task of a userspace utility part of the coreutils

Sonotsugipaa ,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The one for appending files to the standard output, or the one for murdering unresponsive children?

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,
/usr/bin/stone
bdonvr ,

UNIX-like superiority

melpomenesclevage ,

Mac is also Unix based. Doesn't kill many birds.

antonim ,

This reminds me of the anti-wind-energy arguments about the turbines killing many birds...

Lizardking27 ,

Keeping your cats indoors won't solve anything. Housecats aren't destroying the bird population, feral cats are. If you want to help, volunteer with your local vet or animal control to capture, spay/neuter, then re-release stray cats.

garbageman ,

It will solve for your cat staying not dead, not shitting in other people's yards, and not fucking other cats.

Lizardking27 ,

Maybe, depending on where you live. But that's not what we're discussing.

Paraponera_clavata ,

Not true. Pet cats are about a third of the problem, according to a 2013 nature paper. Feral populations vary a lot by location - some places have almost no ferals but lots of pet cats.

Sauce: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380

TranscendentalEmpire ,

That study's been going around for years in the media, but mainly because it's sensational. If you actually read the article, I'd hardly say it's very convincing, or very accurate. Also, this.

Existing estimates of mortality from cat predation are speculative and not based on scientific data13,14,15,16 or, at best, are based on extrapolation of results from a single study18. In addition, no large-scale mortality estimates exist for mammals, which form a substantial component of cat diets.

Paraponera_clavata ,

I read it, it's from 2013

Lizardking27 , (edited )

"About a third of the problem"
So, not the primary cause (or solution.)

https://doi.org/10.1038/ncomms2380

"We estimate that free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.3–4.0 billion birds and 6.3–22.3 billion mammals annually. Un-owned cats, as opposed to owned pets, cause the majority of this mortality."

The article also states the following regarding more popular studies in the media involving pet cats:
"The magnitude of mortality they cause in mainland areas remains speculative, with large-scale estimates based on non-systematic analyses and little consideration of scientific data"

Paraponera_clavata ,

Read the whole paper though. It has percentages. Just sayin

MissJinx ,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

Indoor cats are not a problem because they are indoors. Outdoor cats thar come inside sometimes are a problem indeed but most of them were not adopted they just apeared out of nowhere and you now think it's your cat. So it was feral at some point or at least was born from one.

BreadOven ,

As Bob would have wanted. RIP in peace, my sweet prince.

Anticorp ,

Fuckn Microsoft, man!

EvilEyedPanda ,

Bill gates putting microchips in the water to turn the birds suicidal

BigBananaDealer ,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

how in the world are cats so good at killing something that can literally fly

cordlesslamp ,

And simultaneously can't find the piece of ham I dropped in front of their nose.

BigBananaDealer ,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

they cant see things that close to them, a certain distance away they will be able to see it

Underwaterbob ,

They're built to kill. Crazy good reflexes and eyesight, amazing jump height, claws that grab hold of tree branches, feathers, and skin very nicely. There are a bunch of strays where I live, and they are murdering machines when they don't have a bowl of food plopped in front of them twice a day at their leisure.

melpomenesclevage ,

Also whenthry do. Cats like to play

repungnant_canary ,

Don't know for birds but apparently they can win a fight with snake because they have better reaction time. So maybe something similar is contributing here too

datelmd5sum ,

Patience mostly I think. At least with rodent they smell a trail and then just sit there for hours and hours until one walks near enough.

yeah ,

Birdbrains

Dulusa ,

The reflexes of cats are insane and faster then a snake can bite.
This video is a little demonstration for that

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=prECuyfQU-o

The_Tired_Horizon ,
@The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world avatar

I've watched neighbours cats take out song birds in our garden several times. They're usually too well fed to actually eat them so just "play" the bird gets injured/has a heart attack and dies from that. Something like 1 in 10 homes has a cat on average in the UK. The better fed/kept they are the better they hunt.

InputZero ,

The only reason why cats aren't hunting us down right now is because we're too big to be prey. I read somewhere a long time ago that domestic cats have one of the highest predation success rate in the mammalian class. Meaning once they choose to actually try to hunt something they usually get it.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

To be fair they are good at choosing WHO to hunt

melpomenesclevage ,

Yeah theres like two species that are better, and they're both also cats.

psmgx ,

They'd be a lion, if they could, essentially

melpomenesclevage ,

They're kind of the perfect predators, and birds need to land sometime.

Basically their only weak point, biologically, is their kidneys.

chiliedogg ,

There was a mockingbird that would always attack our cats. The grandma cat had a beak-shaped cut in her ear and a bald spot on her head from this bird that would attack her. I was fortunate enough to witness the occasion where she finally got revenge on the bird.

It had been pecking at one of the grandkittens and then flew away just too low, and grandma cat did a lightning-fat swipe in the air and just kept walking along like nothing had happened, not looking at the bird. The bird kept flying and flapped its wings like 2 more times, then fell to the ground dead, completely ignored by the cat.

It was the most badass samurai shit I've ever seen.

JasonDJ ,

Who even uses cat? Use less or tail.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar
altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

I'm a fat cat now

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

Fucking furball. Fluffy!

JasonDJ ,

Those aren't birds, that's chicken. Dummy.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

OK, now I'm hungry.

UntouchedWagons ,
@UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca avatar

Why is the bar for Windows as long as the bar for cats?

zephr_c ,
@zephr_c@lemm.ee avatar

Because it's by area, not length.

UntouchedWagons ,
@UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca avatar

It never even occurred to me to consider the height of the boxes lol

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar
Nariom ,

The area isnt the same though.

steersman2484 ,

As are the numbers

EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I actually laughed at that last part.

I don't let my cats outside without direct supervision.

cooopsspace ,

I'm still not calling it GNU

Xenon , (edited )

On a serious note, the problem with wind turbines is not the total number of birds they strike but the species. Larger birds of prey seem particularly susceptible. Tough this risk can be easily mitigated by not placing the wind turbines directly in their primary habitat or migration paths.

subtext ,

I was going to say, I doubt your pet tabby is killing any California condors at any appreciable rate.

Amazing how easy it is to bias people with data though.

dojan ,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

I misread it as "Widows" and got a bit concerned for a second.

melpomenesclevage ,

The dream.

Honytawk ,
The_Tired_Horizon ,
@The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world avatar

I pointed this out to people who complain constantly about wind turbines. "Ban windows!" They love that.

perishthethought ,

3.5 billion birds are killed in North America per year? I didn't know anywhere near that number even existed.

But then again...

Wikipedia says there are about 7.5 million square miles in the US and Canada, so that's over 400 birds killed per square mile, per year, on average.

That's amazing, no?

MegaUltraChicken ,
@MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world avatar

not if we have anything to say about it

-Cats

Justas ,
@Justas@sh.itjust.works avatar

You forgot to include Mexico, but even with it it's pretty high.

perishthethought ,

I checked again and yeah, it's more like 9.5 million square miles, so an average of more like 370 bird deaths per square mile, per year. But now that I know that includes chickens and turkeys, and Mexico and Greenland and the Bahamas, it's OK.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

Misconception. Birdkiller Georg has 3 billion dead birds a year and is also known as New York City

pafu ,

There are more than 8 billion chickens slaughtered every year in the US alone, to give some perspective.

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