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Automakers Are Sharing Consumers’ Driving Behavior With Insurance Companies

Kenn Dahl says he has always been a careful driver. The owner of a software company near Seattle, he drives a leased Chevrolet Bolt. He’s never been responsible for an accident.

So Mr. Dahl, 65, was surprised in 2022 when the cost of his car insurance jumped by 21 percent. Quotes from other insurance companies were also high. One insurance agent told him his LexisNexis report was a factor.

LexisNexis is a New York-based global data broker with a “Risk Solutions” division that caters to the auto insurance industry and has traditionally kept tabs on car accidents and tickets. Upon Mr. Dahl’s request, LexisNexis sent him a 258-page “consumer disclosure report,” which it must provide per the Fair Credit Reporting Act.

What it contained stunned him: more than 130 pages detailing each time he or his wife had driven the Bolt over the previous six months. It included the dates of 640 trips, their start and end times, the distance driven and an accounting of any speeding, hard braking or sharp accelerations. The only thing it didn’t have is where they had driven the car.

On a Thursday morning in June for example, the car had been driven 7.33 miles in 18 minutes; there had been two rapid accelerations and two incidents of hard braking.

HubertManne ,
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

meanwhile I have to pre fill out some forms so the sherrif office can track it if its stolen. It cracks me up how the government getting things is a big deal but corpos then no worries.

MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown , (edited )

Is that the whole text of the article? (paywall) Was there any investigation as to the source of the data on the report? As this is a leased vehicle, I would not be surprised if the data came from a dealer module that they use to immobilize and locate the vehicle if you miss a payment or otherwise violate your lease.

According to the report, the trip details had been provided by General Motors

https://archive.ph/lmMp9

ITeeTechMonkey ,
@ITeeTechMonkey@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately its not a third party module but manufacturer built-in features.

Modern cars are internet-enabled, allowing access to services like navigation, roadside assistance and car apps that drivers can connect to their vehicles to locate them or unlock them remotely. In recent years, automakers, including G.M., Honda, Kia and Hyundai, have started offering optional features in their connected-car apps that rate people’s driving. Some drivers may not realize that, if they turn on these features, the car companies then give information about how they drive to data brokers like LexisNexis.

trebuchet ,

Wow optional is a big word here that should be at the very top of the article and this discussion.

something_random_tho ,

Car companies are directly sending this data to the brokers in exchange for “low millions of dollars.” Imagine destroying all consumer trust in a multi-billion dollar brand for so little. I would never even consider buying a GM or any brand involved in this.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Yeah, I had thought about buying a Bolt because they're reasonably inexpensive EVs, but this is a definite nope from me.

Anticorp ,

EVERY brand is involved in this. Mozilla org investigated literally every car manufacturer available in the United States last year and gave them all an F for privacy.

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I dunno if motorcycles have the infrastructure. I guess if you were willing to ride a motorcycle, that might avoid it.

Obviously it's possible to stick telemetry on even small vehicles like that, given that the e-bike and e-scooter rental companies rely on it.

Anticorp ,

I love riding motorcycles. Unfortunately I doubt that motorcycle manufacturers are missing out on that sweet, sweet data money. I don't need to worry about it with my bike though, considering it's from the 90's and was originally a dirt bike

JohnDClay ,

Is there a way to disable this? Does it report though android auto? Is there a way to prevent those packets sending?

Patches ,

The car has a cellular connection and whoever manufacturers the car probably pays for it.

How to disable? Probably not without breaking something else. You could at best block the Connection with Lead foil but you'd have to find where it was. You might lose all Connection though - Bluetooth, FM/AM

JohnDClay ,

If it's not through android auto, I'm fine just connecting though a hardwired USBC to my phone.

rikonium ,

Varies widely. In Toyota’s you call via the SOS button, have your VIN and they can do it. There are also other direct ways like pulling the Mayday fuse to disconnect the “Data Connection Module” (DCM) but that takes the microphone with it.

Some older vehicles that have 3G radios might not have been disconnected explicitly but are as good as dead because 3G as they knew it is gone.

It does not report via Android Auto since these vehicles have their own cellular radios, but not to say Google has its own metrics.

Your best bet is looking for a car/make-specific forum or subreddit and see if anyone’s asked the questions before while ignoring the “nothing to hide, you have a phone lol” clowns.

pineapplelover ,

I was going through a reddit post that asked a question how to remove network on a Tesla model 3 and they were all like "I've got nothing to hide" "you're cheating on your wife" etc. However, I did find some schematics and there are guides on youtube.

https://olegkutkov.me/2021/06/10/tesla-model-3-us-lte-modem-replacement-and-some-reverse-engineering/

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/tesla-model-3-sim-replacement-guide-pdf.563266/

pineapplelover ,

Am I the only one who doesn't find this surprising. All these big car companies making drivable spyware and who would probably want that data? Insurance companies. This is why my first car I'm gonna tear out the modem.

Perfide ,

I'm not surprised it happened, but a little surprised how quickly it happened. Most insurance companies still offer a plan where you voluntarily plug in a tracker to monitor your driving in exchange for lower rates if you're a good driver, so it's extra fucked that they're doing the same thing to presumably everyone with an internet connected car without even telling them upfront, let alone getting consent.

Anticorp ,

Surprising? Hell no. Infuriating? Fuck yes. Your accident records should speak for themselves, not some bullshit algorithms calculating if yOu AcCelLerATeD ToO fASt or not. Get the fuck outta here with that baby shit.

toastal ,

Not at all surprised by this. I sold my car a decade ago, I just hope motorcycles can stay dumb for longer.

MonkderZweite ,

258 pages?! That's half of MS's office format specification!

dubyakay , (edited )

I work in fintech and I had glimpses of raw API data that credit agencies, Mastercard and LexisNexis provide (among others). It's crazy detailed. Even just our query increases the query count by one and provides at least ten data points on the why and when.

I'm not surprised that the car manufacturers are selling this data to LexisNexis who in turn sell it to insurance companies.

electricprism ,

Wrap the modem in tinfoil.

delirious_owl , (edited )
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

So what's the results? Which generation is better at driving? Which age group is more conservative with fuel usage? Hmm?

sfxrlz ,

/s and I’m just stupid or is that really your key takeaway ?^^

Anticorp ,

They're all bad. 20-50% rate increases across the board!

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