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Do you think people would be okay with 'Recall' if Apple did it?

With the recent WWDC apple made some bold claims about privacy when it comes to so called Apple Intelligence. This makes me wonder if they did something to what Microsoft did with Recall feature, would people be less concerned and to an extend praise their effort?

Do you trust apple with their claims?

xylazineDream ,
@xylazineDream@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

They already did, Spotlight is Machiavelli behind the “walled garden”

0x2d ,

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disguy_ovahea , (edited )

Yes. Their privacy policy is very clear. They’ve put so much effort into providing privacy features, well before every other developer in the industry, that they’ve built their customer base on it. The class action suit that they would face for compromising that policy would be massive, and they would hemorrhage customers. They have strong financial reason to maintain their word. If you ask for your GDPR compliant abstract from Apple, it’ll only include your name, phone number, and billing address.

From a security standpoint, the privacy features are top notch. They use 256-bit AES encryption for iCloud, iMessage, FaceTime, Apple Wallet, Find My iPhone, HomeKit, FileVault, Secure Enclave, and now Apple Intelligence. Apple operating systems use a UNIX kernel design, keeping the application layer independent of the operating system layer, allowing full sandbox control and requiring user authorization for any API access.

Plus, nerds love to try and find chinks in the armor. In the event of the inevitable vulnerability, Apple is always quick to release a patch.

Edit: You asked a question about Apple products outside of an Apple instance. Look for the ones with all the downvotes to get a real answer from Apple customers. PC/Android users love to condescendingly reply to and downvote Apple supporting comments. I think it makes them feel superior. Lol

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

The class action suit that they would face for compromising that policy would be massive

Haha nah it wouldn't.

and they would hemorrhage customers

I mean all of their competitors give zero fucks about privacy soooo no.

disguy_ovahea ,

You clearly don’t know many Apple users.

unknowing8343 ,

Hi! I know many Apple users, and 100% of them bought it because "bro, it's Apple". It's basically the "im not poor" message that the Apple logo gives. They don't care about anything else aside that it's Apple and it plays CandyCrush.

disguy_ovahea , (edited )

Sounds like you know a bunch of rich kids with iPhones. Recall is a Windows feature. I assume OP was asking about Mac users. The majority of Mac users are creators, who care very much about the privacy of their work.

unknowing8343 ,

Believe me, poor kids will save for an iPhone too. But yes, the Mac audience is a bit more professional, although I still know of a couple of dumbasses using Mac because of the aesthetics at Starbucks.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Everyone I know is an Apple user, unfortunately

HubertManne ,

apple fanboys. yes. the take it or leave it apple types would likely have a decent exodus. non apple users would not like but would not matter.

macabrett ,

I think the people who already really like Apple would be okay with it and find a million reasons to justify it. I don't think that's a good thing.

SoulKaribou ,

You got me at trust

ssm ,
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

You're saying this like Micro$hit isn't just going to revert back to recall being opt-out (or non-removable) in a few weeks after the outrage dies down

Fungah ,

People.would be okay by getting fucked to death with a splintery rake if apple charged $999.99 for it.

umbrella , (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

yes lol. have you ever talked to apple fanboys? its a cult where the corporation can't possibly be wrong.

they would justify with flimsy justifications and hold their ground that its actually the best use of ai just yet.

shortwavesurfer ,

No

Macaroni_ninja ,
@Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

In my opinion the problem is not who would agree/disagree with it, its more like the fanbase and marketing is on another level and most people would just not care as long as they have the latest iPhone with the latest buzzword functions and features.

I feel people are more forgiving towards apple. I dont have any study or anything to back it up, just can't see why the die-hard userbase of the most isolated and curated ecosystem would care about anything.

BeigeAgenda ,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

I'm not sure I would use a open source Linux version of Recall, I think it would be like always sharing/streaming your desktop, so I think .bash_history is enough recall for me.

I would also allow an open source version of Co-Pilot because the AI snooping only happens within a single program.

programmer_belch ,
@programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Not your keys, not safe encryption. As simple as that

Max_P ,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

I would trust them more than Microsoft because at least they would actually store it encrypted safely and not just basic ACLs that are easy to bypass.

Even with a root shell on macOS you can't bypass certain things like access to the camera for example. You'd have to work way harder to access recall data, not in a way that malware can trivially access.

I still wouldn't use it though, because I think the whole thing is dumb and I don't need my computer to spy on me so I can remember what I did yesterday. I have browser/shell history for that.

eveninghere ,

I don't think Apple is planning that. For now they're trying the approach to expose metadata like email headers to their AI, but that such data has been already accessible to the search functionality anyway.

It's very different from Recall, which dumps screen capture of webpages and passwords into a database file that's only protected by access rights.

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