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Do you think people would be okay with 'Recall' if Apple did it?

With the recent WWDC apple made some bold claims about privacy when it comes to so called Apple Intelligence. This makes me wonder if they did something to what Microsoft did with Recall feature, would people be less concerned and to an extend praise their effort?

Do you trust apple with their claims?

arxdat ,
@arxdat@lemmy.ml avatar

Apple at least tries to explain what is happening, and while not always great, you feel you understand why they are doing something or implementing new functionality unlike Windows who just dumps this shit on you without your consent and then you have to learn 5 years later that they put absolutely no thought in why they were doing, especially thinking about your privacy. Anyway, I use Arch, btw. /s

pumpkinseedoil ,

Could they please explain why a laptop should not be able to scale content on third party monitors without lowering resolution? Why it shouldn't be able to connect to more than one monitor? Why we can't have a toggle for (insert random unneeded feature here, like only minimizing programs when clicking on the red x button that should close them). Why their tablets and phones aren't able to send things via Bluetooth? Etc.

BeigeAgenda ,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

I'm not sure I would use a open source Linux version of Recall, I think it would be like always sharing/streaming your desktop, so I think .bash_history is enough recall for me.

I would also allow an open source version of Co-Pilot because the AI snooping only happens within a single program.

then_three_more ,

Apple fans and people that fall for their slick marketing would

Brickardo ,

It's closed source, so no way in hell

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Apple fans will argue it is somehow better

disguy_ovahea , (edited )

Yes. Their privacy policy is very clear. They’ve put so much effort into providing privacy features, well before every other developer in the industry, that they’ve built their customer base on it. The class action suit that they would face for compromising that policy would be massive, and they would hemorrhage customers. They have strong financial reason to maintain their word. If you ask for your GDPR compliant abstract from Apple, it’ll only include your name, phone number, and billing address.

From a security standpoint, the privacy features are top notch. They use 256-bit AES encryption for iCloud, iMessage, FaceTime, Apple Wallet, Find My iPhone, HomeKit, FileVault, Secure Enclave, and now Apple Intelligence. Apple operating systems use a UNIX kernel design, keeping the application layer independent of the operating system layer, allowing full sandbox control and requiring user authorization for any API access.

Plus, nerds love to try and find chinks in the armor. In the event of the inevitable vulnerability, Apple is always quick to release a patch.

Edit: You asked a question about Apple products outside of an Apple instance. Look for the ones with all the downvotes to get a real answer from Apple customers. PC/Android users love to condescendingly reply to and downvote Apple supporting comments. I think it makes them feel superior. Lol

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

The class action suit that they would face for compromising that policy would be massive

Haha nah it wouldn't.

and they would hemorrhage customers

I mean all of their competitors give zero fucks about privacy soooo no.

disguy_ovahea ,

You clearly don’t know many Apple users.

unknowing8343 ,

Hi! I know many Apple users, and 100% of them bought it because "bro, it's Apple". It's basically the "im not poor" message that the Apple logo gives. They don't care about anything else aside that it's Apple and it plays CandyCrush.

disguy_ovahea , (edited )

Sounds like you know a bunch of rich kids with iPhones. Recall is a Windows feature. I assume OP was asking about Mac users. The majority of Mac users are creators, who care very much about the privacy of their work.

unknowing8343 ,

Believe me, poor kids will save for an iPhone too. But yes, the Mac audience is a bit more professional, although I still know of a couple of dumbasses using Mac because of the aesthetics at Starbucks.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Everyone I know is an Apple user, unfortunately

0x2d ,

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humuhumu ,

I found it really weird too, Microsoft pushing Recall, an AI feature, vs Apple pushing Apple Intelligence, an AI feature.. and only Microsoft got backfired.

Cqrd ,

One records your every moment and was instantly exploited to get every piece of data you ever saw and the other does things when you ask it too and asks you before sending data off device. These are clearly exactly the same thing.

Tiltinyall ,

Hmm didn't know iCloud was on device...

Cqrd ,

iCloud is a data backup system, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand

Tiltinyall ,

I guess I thought it was the primary data storage dump. My point is that your data is already sent before you had a choice.

Natanael ,

Recall was set to be default on for everybody and to record everything in a database which is trivial to extract data from.

There's a lot of nonsense Apple is doing too (like the chatgpt integration) but they didn't put keylogger into the system.

TheBigBrother ,

Apple fanboys would.. other people I don't think so..

Macaroni_ninja ,
@Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

In my opinion the problem is not who would agree/disagree with it, its more like the fanbase and marketing is on another level and most people would just not care as long as they have the latest iPhone with the latest buzzword functions and features.

I feel people are more forgiving towards apple. I dont have any study or anything to back it up, just can't see why the die-hard userbase of the most isolated and curated ecosystem would care about anything.

shortwavesurfer ,

No

Tudsamfa ,

I never bought any Apple product and thought they were overhyped, so it might be easy enough for me to say, but no, I personally wouldn't have been Ok with it.

I can see more people begrudgingly using it if Apple did it though.

Max_P ,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

I would trust them more than Microsoft because at least they would actually store it encrypted safely and not just basic ACLs that are easy to bypass.

Even with a root shell on macOS you can't bypass certain things like access to the camera for example. You'd have to work way harder to access recall data, not in a way that malware can trivially access.

I still wouldn't use it though, because I think the whole thing is dumb and I don't need my computer to spy on me so I can remember what I did yesterday. I have browser/shell history for that.

InternetCitizen2 ,

Recall in principal is a cool idea. It is also one that M$ has not earned the trust for. I think Apple would be better received. I'm not sure I would like Apple's recall, but they have done more to foster trust than M$.

unknowing8343 ,

I am curious why you'd think that is a good idea. I find it absolutely useless, as anything that I'd like stored... We can already easily store. But recording EVERYTHING that happens in my computer??? What kind of data hoarding obsession is this?

That is a small vulnerability away of being the biggest mistake of your life, IMO.

InternetCitizen2 ,

Same reason file manager has a recents. It helps you return to previous work. Asking it if it remembers which paper had which conclusion or graph would make being a grad students easier. Perhaps it reminds you about some deliverable you promised in an email is due is three days. I see it as a good tool to organize productivity with. Like I said no one has earned the trust this software would require.

unknowing8343 ,

Yes! "Recents" works fine and doesn't even need to record everything you've done and consume AI resources!

For asking about papers and so... You can do that with an AI crawler on your files!! No need to store a screenshot of everything you've ever done!

The deliverable thing, again, it can be done by directly looking up your files.

But no, somehow they went full spy instead. Companies will love to put this feature in their employee's computers.

Wanna fire someone? Let's see if they used their computer once for an unrelated-to-work task...

Now if someone gains access to your computer they'll get everything that you didn't think you even had! So great!!

InternetCitizen2 ,

Yeah but recent only considers local files and you can't ask it which one said this or that if you don't remember. Its a good tool to keep track of a lot of things. As a student I would like that.

unknowing8343 ,

Once you find out we've had fuzzy finders for 40 years your mind is going to be blown.

I am not saying AI is not useful. It will be an amazing use case to sprinkle some AI into fuzzyfinders, but don't let it have everything that has ever been played on screen... Passwords, private windows, one-time messages... You must be very young if you don't see the problems with that.

There is a reason why we have password protected folders and files, or how we keep some stuff locked online, or how we use private browser windows. And you want to feed all that to an AI.

InternetCitizen2 , (edited )

I know about the fuzzy finders and regular expressions. The Q was why I think it is helpful and I answered that. You're just hitting me with some dogma. You could also just know where your stuff is at and not need search tools either. Recall is a neat idea, but I don't have confidence in M$ execution or privacy.

trollbearpig ,

And Apple has earned any trust? Jesus christ people, like less than 2 months ago they were caught restoring "deleted" photos from iCloud to user devices hahahahaha. Of course fans were excusing them talking about disk sectors like that has anything to do with cloud storage being available accidentally hahahaha.

But yeah, Apple cult followers will find a way to justify surrendering even more freedom to Apple with this BS for sure. And they will be paying top dollar for the pleasure hahahaha.

makeasnek ,
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

No, but if a linux distro implemented a local-only version of this, I would be interested in using it.

alsimoneau ,

I honestly don't understand the use case. What do you find interesting about it?

makeasnek ,
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

My memory isn't perfect, it would be nice to have a second set of eyes, and I could describe things to it aside from knowing the exact words. "What was that website I visited within the last six months where I played an online game that was like snake but different?" or "What was that cryptocurrency i was researching which was touting it had perfect forward secrecy?" "Who was I emailing about the football game" etc.

alsimoneau ,

I feel like those can be solved already by searching through your emails/browser history.

jonne ,

One thing it claimed was the ability to rewrite copy. Basically finally an improvement over spellcheck which has been the same for like 20 years. Would be nice to have something better built into the OS in every text field.

You could also have stuff like suggestions in your terminal when you're starting to write a command based on what's in the man pages and the layout of your filesystem.

alsimoneau ,

Recall won't help with that.
You also don't need an AI for the second one. Just something more than a basic shell.

plz1 ,

Nope, but I also feel like Apple would have it off by default, unlike Microsoft.

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