Whenever I see a Brave shill on YouTube, I take their advice on most matters with atleast a sack of salt. And most of people's favourite tech tubers are le lion shills, DistroTube included.
I do not think Tim Pool is an important person. Most of these reactionary right/left wing podcasters never appealed to me. They are an example of people who invent drama and nonsense, and are all bottom of the barrel as far as intellect goes.
If you have observed web browser related threads on 4chan /g/ in the past 4-5 years, you would have observed this meme. One of the rare memes they made that is not offensive, that I love using.
I use it. I don't get marketing because I use brave, which has a fucking indestructible adblocker. Like while everyone was panicking from the YouTube issues, I've never seen a single message to turn it off on YouTube. And there was a bunch of other things that users has reported, like slow videos, that brave just didn't have problems with.
Brave is simply usable Chromium. On GrapheneOS it is not the most secure as it has its own Chromium engine which is not as hardened poorly.
On Linux it works well with hardened_malloc while Firefox straight up does not run. This is probably because Firefox has memory issues.
It sucks relying on Chromium as Firefoxes UX is top tier. I have no idea why normies are using Chromium Browsers, they all suck for UX, especially Chrome.
But on Android and Linux Chromium is very secure, while Firefox is at least questionable.
Brave sets very weird priorities though, they dont focus on many features people need and instead bloat everything with news or crypto stuff that doesnt even support Monero.
No it literally breaks sites. I was using Firefox with Arkenfox user.js, basically Torbrowser, and nothing broke unless the site told me "your browser is not supported". Braves strong defaults broke Github and more.
Not much Brave can do there? I dont know what they did. You are probably better off with UBO and NoScript (both MV2 btw).
But everyone is escalating about Brave removing a broken feature as if they where getting worse or something. The feature was broken, they removed it. Thats it.
Was strict the default? I'd assume the standard would be the default.
I'd imagine if you were using strict you want the sites to break because you absolutely do not want fingerprinting. That kindof restriction usually comes with the breaking being expected.
Yes probably. I have no idea what they did though, because Arkenfox / Torbrowser doesnt break anything.
Noscript and ublock origin are both MV2. But Brave wants to keep supporting MV2.
So I think they should not try implementing stuff extensions already do better, but at the same time something like this is the only way if they want to also go full MV3 and save themselves a lot of maintenance
I had a small mountain of BAT they locked me out of due to shoddy linking with their banking affiliates and out of date DRM practices locking me out of my account due to too many devices being logged in (each OS update counted as its own device).
I noticed you didn't have that linked, that's because not every shitty move a company makes gets news coverage. Sorry I don't fit into your narrow view on what constitutes a valid reason.
The banking backend that grifted me is called uphold and at the time that was the ONLY way to move BAT out of their wallet.
The device limit was a known issue for years and I left before they fixed it.
While I was still a user I would try their forum for support. Big shocker, LOTS of other users had the same issue and reports got ignored or muted by the mods there.
Is the word ass really insulting to you? If so I'm genuinely sorry.. But I think you're grasping at straws acting offended because I have a financial grievance with this company. that shouldn't bother you and it's concerning how much energy you're putting into this rebuttal.
I'm working class so whatever losses I felt from my dealings with brave mattered to me. I can't get that money back but I sure as **** can spend my time being loud about the consistently dishonest and shady practices of a company I used to do business with. Brave could have handled one of the dozen or so support tickets I gave them back in 2019-2022
I didn't lose money, they forced me through an untrustworthy third party to take my money out. You're being obstinate trying to make this seem like I made a bad investment as opposed to a company being deceitful about it's "payouts".
Another issue is that Strict mode is used by roughly 0.5% of Brave's users, with the rest using the default setting, which is the Standard mode.
How are they getting this data? If it's with telemetry this data doesn't seem reliable, I doubt that people who change the fingerprint setting don't disable telemetry.
Yeah, Firefox lacks features like built-in pop-up ads, full screen homepage ads (those ones are enabled by default), and a VPN you probably didn't even purchase.
Truly, the features I wanted to clog up my hard drive whether I use them or not
FIrefox lacks vertical tabs, can't change the default new tab page background color without having to use a custom .css file.
Having to use a userContent.css for something so basic is insane. That is orders of magnitude more work than disabling the crypto ads in brave which you don't even have to go in the settings to disable, it is right on the homepage menu.
Also firefox lacks configurable keybinds and when I used librewolf I had to add two extensions for something that basic.
One was to change the default keybinds to changing tabs from alt+123 to control+123 because for some reason they changed it on linux to that which is retarded (opening a new tab is still control+t so you can't just say that it is all the control options that got moved to alt lol).
The other extension was to deattach the tab which firefox has no keybind set for it.
And one of the best features that firefox has, which is the userChrome.css has only gotten worse over time with it breaking with new updates and also now having it disabled by default and hidden inside the about:config menu.
The default vpn on brave is terrible, although that only affected windows. And firefox is only slightly better on this because and pardon me if I'm mistaken (I don't wanna install firefox to check lol) didn't they change the default settings to send all dns over https to cloudflare? On librewolf they got rid of the default one and you have to provide one instead.
Edit: Look no further, you even have to install ublock origin on firefox to get rid of ads and also configure its filter list if you want to get rid of cookie prompts, something that brave does by default already.
Tree Style Tabs has existed for over a decade. It does not break. You are the problem if you cannot install an addon in 2-3 clicks, from what is the richest browser addon ecosystem on the internet.
That is horrible that you have to install a bunch of extensions for basic features, and one of those extensions to fix something that mozilla went out of their way to break on linux and not that they havent add.
And there is also things like syncing the user sessions and settings without an email which brave can do while firefox and forks can't
edit: And you ignored half of my comment, doing css to get firefox to work IS NOT EASY lmao.
I ignored half your comment because changing the background color with CSS is 100% not important.
And no, it's not horrible that you can extend Firefox to do exactly what you want. What would be horrible is if you couldn't.
How can I make firefox sync my user session and settings between devices without having to use an email then? Last time I tried to do that with librewolf there was only one extension that did it for the bookmarks and nothing else.
edit: Ignored again, what a surprise. No wonder firefox is such a shitty browsers if its users don't care about it working.
The affiliate link one certainly couldn't. It wasn't until people identified it and started complaining that the company had to backpedal.
And even for the scam stuff that can be disabled, why should it be downloaded, installed, and take up space on the hard drive to begin with? If it's so good, they can make it an add-on for people to optionally choose.
Well, the reason that is because brave wants you to use that, same way mozilla wants to you use their account services and the cloudflare dns that you can opt out of but can't uninstall unless you use a fork of firefox.
And also I don't know why you put emphasis on space usage when firefox uses more resources on websites than brave and chromium, I tested it back when using xfce4 and for 3 tabs and the total system mem usage was 1.24 GIB for firefox and 1 GiB for Chromium and Brave. And when I did that test chromium hadn't implemented a new feature that they added that moves inactive tabs to the disk.
I also don't think I'm gaining anything by replying to your comment after you didn't even bother replying when I told you all the issues and missing features that firefox has and instead focus on hating brave. I hope you're doing this because you hate the brave ceo and not because of some weird fanboyism with firefox lol.
Brave cryptocurrency crap = a Firefox account? Come on, at least compare apples to apples.
You ignored the part about sending all the dns requests to cloudflare (the name of all the websites you visit), which sure, firefox is not as bad as brave on this. But I told you that already before, I said very clearly that when I mentioned that firefox is slightly better on this before in the other comments you didn't bother even replying to...
Because we were talking about how opting out of cryptocurrency crap doesn’t fix the issues with it being installed by default.
You're being disingenuous, another user said that it CAN'T be disabled to which I asked which can't? because you can, and now you're going on this weird goal post rant of it taking disk space while disabled ignoring all the useful features that brave has and all the issues and missing features of firefox lol.
edit: This reminds me of the rants people have against systemd because it is more bloated but ignore the fact that it is faster and easier to use lol.
My dude, the other user said that the crypto scams can't be disabled, meaning right now in the present. Not that they couldn't be disabled. I asked which can't be right now in the present.
And now you're talking about something that happened 4 years ago and was fixed lol. I did not ask when did brave ever prevent you from disabling crypto scams, I asked right now lmao.
Once again, I hope you’re doing this because you hate the brave ceo and not because of some weird fanboyism with firefox lol. Because the more I look at your comments the more it looks like the later. You just pretty much said that you don't care about the issues with firefox by saying that it is irrelevant.
You are in a post about Brave. If you need to talk about anything but Brave to justify its behavior, the behavior is bad.
And just because Brave is technically currently not engaged in any scams that we know of, does not mean that it has a history of engaging in those scams, or that enabling them by default is good behavior on their part.
You might as well not reply if you will deflect this badly.
Hey firefox boy, My original reply was to someone saying just use firefox that ignored mentioning all the issues that firefox has with its default settings including the terrible default fingerprinting protection to start lmao which is on point with this post about brave fingerprinting.
Also you're going around telling people that the privacytest is not reliable way to compare browsers because of a brave employee which is fair but you don't bother to mention whether the test is actually lying or even propose an alternative test either.
I personally tested the coveryourtracks test by the EFF, and to my surprise brave scores better than librewolf, and this is using the default fingerprinting settings of brave, not the one that will be removed.
My dude, the privacytest website shows that librewolf is a better browser than brave, and when you told me (I think it was you lol) about the brave employee running it I thanked you for that info and began looking for alternatives.
I did the coveryourtracks test, which to my surprise brave scores better than librewolf:
So yeah, in my attempt to make a more fair comparison I only ended up with results that make brave a better browser lol.
There is nothing wrong with pointing out the conflict of interest, but that should be followed with at least some alternative being suggested if you don't want to bother into looking whether the data is false or misleading.
Edit: I will also state that I don't know if there is another conflict of interest going on in the EFF though.
I have done that, and it a horrible, it takes more work to make a useChrone.css on firefox than to setup a wm on linux lol
You can also use any of the forks of chromium and not support google, what you said is like telling people not use grapheneos because it is a fork of android.
If we had a working alternative to Android as a whole, we would surely use it. But Linux on mobile works only in few devices and not flawlessly at all. But for the Chromium monopoly we have an actual alternative that works.
Linux on phones already work, just that phonecalls might not work sometimes, but if you are into privacy you might as well not use that anyway lol.
So yeah, time to drop graphene and start using linux on phones, if you managed to get firefox to work you can use linux phones, sure some websites might not work on firefox (that is not fault of firefox, same way not all apps might work on linux) and you may need to do some coding to get some things to your liking (using custom.css files is like settings up a bunch of configs and scripts on linux) and you might need to add a bunch extensions to get basic features (like adding extensions to gnome lol).
I have encountered a handful of sites that it broke as well. I use the strict protection option and manually add exceptions to the few sites it breaks - then I never have any other issues with them
I've been having a pretty good experience with Mullvad, however I don't hear many people talking about it. I wonder why is that, IIRC it's being developed with Tor Foundation, and is basically a Tor browser for clear web, and that sounds perfect. So far, I didn't run into any issues, so is there a catch, or are they just not well enough known yet? Or, maybe people are turned away by their optional VPN?
Probably because LibreWolf is most of the way there, and the Mullvad branding + proprietary VPN is more than a bit much. I use(d) the VPN alongside it and found the add-on "hints" regarding the correct DNS settings more frustrating than helpful, too.
I was using LibreWolf before, but I really like the idea of bundling VPN + Browser, and also the way they handle payments - not only is Mullvad VPN kind of cheap, I can just pay with crypto and don't need any account (kind of - you just generate username that also serves as an password, without any other contact information required).
But what I like the most about it is the idea of making a browser with the goal of having the same fingerprint between users (as much as possible), and offering it with a VPN - becuase that means that most of other users of the VPN will probably also have the same fingerprint from the browser, so you will blend in with them. I wasn't really sold on the idea of VPN before that and didn't use one, but this was what convinced me.
But tbh I haven't done much research into the company, or into the effectivness of their implementation. I'm kind of betting on their cooperation with Tor Browser, which should have most of this stuff already figured out. But it's possible that other browsers are just better at it, I never checked.
I do however still use LibreWolf for the occasional site that breaks with Mullvad, but it's not something that happens too often.
I use(d) the VPN alongside it and found the add-on “hints” regarding the correct DNS settings more frustrating than helpful, too.
Hmm, I don't think I've ever noticed anything about DNS. I think I've actually never click on the browser vpn extension, though :D Is it the encrypted DNS hint?
I'd ask why they don't make it optional (I'm not a Brave user) but it seems it was.
Another issue is that Strict mode is used by roughly 0.5% of Brave's users, with the rest using the default setting, which is the Standard mode.
This low percentage actually makes these users more vulnerable to fingerprinting despite them using the more aggressive blocker, because they constitute a discernible subset of users standing out from the rest.
Given that, I'm inclined to agree with the decision to remove it. Pick your battles and live to fight another day.
Strict mode is used by roughly 0.5% of Brave's users
Based exclusively on whether a user had not gone through the Brave's browser settings and disabled the "Send statistics about my behavior to the Brave corporate HQ" flag.
In other words, the number is useless.
This low percentage actually makes these users more vulnerable to fingerprinting despite them using the more aggressive blocker, because they constitute a discernible subset of users standing out from the rest.
This argument could be used to tell people to avoid using the Brave browser too. After all, only a minority of people do. The best way to blend in would be to use Google Chrome on Windows 11, and improve no privacy settings.
Unless someone wants to argue that using Brave makes you an acceptable degree of unique, but using advanced tracking blocking makes you unacceptably unique.
For those oh so super valuable virtue signal points, as if most of the services and products they use weren’t created with slave labor and run by people who’ve done far worse
Uhhh...that's not a meme, as the other guy said it's virtue signalling. I don't even know why you would fallback on it being a meme since people generally agreed with what you said.
If anything I think that makes you sound like an ass but that's just me.
Please don’t tell me you wear adidas (founded by a Nazi), or drive a Ford (made by an antisemite), or listen to Wagner, (a racist), or drive a Volkswagen, or play Minecraft, or use wix, or eat at Chick-fil-A, or…etc etc
Are you seriously complaining about different comment threads within a post? That is literally how this works. Anybody who wants to talk about the feature is welcome to. You are not restricted to one thread at a time.
Be real, you just don’t like the critique of brave.
I mean, it's more like I wanted to see more discussion about brave. It's not even like it's talking about things the CEO specifically did to the browser, it's just talking about the CEO.
And yeah I'm complaining about different threads in a post, when 3 comments are about the browser and like 15 are about the CEO.
If you have something to say negative about brave from this feature, that's cool, but I'm not seeing it.
You are spending more time than anybody discussing this. The person wrote one short comment and here you are going back and forth still. If you want to talk about the removed feature then talk about the removed feature! Nobody stopping you my dude
It makes you angry, and that's enough. I downloaded and am using it now, it works great so far. And if it is avoided by cruel people like you then all the better
Of all the reasons to choose a browser “somebody on the Internet disagreed with me and pointed out a time sink/distraction of my own making” has to be the most utterly bizarre I’ve heard yet. I’m glad it’s working out for you though. If you’ve accidentally stumbled upon a good solution, then great.
Choosing a daily browser out of spite as they remove a privacy feature is mighty perplexing, but hey, you sure showed me.
He wasn't fired. He voluntarily left. And thus Mozilla is left with an incompetent CEO whose only aim is to increase her paycheck year after year, despite pathetic market share results for FF. Enjoy that.
That said, nobody cares about your "friendly remainders". We're talking about software here, not politics.
And, to stay on topic, yes, it happened to me that Strict FP broke some website, in particular those displaying a frame with a map or similar stuff. So I've resorted to use "standard" FP myself.
I mean, you can grandstand all you want while you have no platforms to safely do it on. Pretty sure having working products for privacy is more important to activism than one guy being an asshole.
I'm...honestly surprised you can be on lemmy when you damn products over singular people. Just cause I know there's people who have tried to dissuade others from lemmy over the developers. And in that case the people involved are even closer to the code than a CEO would be.
If someone gets fired for being a piece of shit and then hired somewhere else it's pretty fair to assume that company isn't great. As they presumably knew that when they hired him and didn't care.
It's also the person running the company not some random employee.
I'm not a shill for Brave. It has its fair share of technical issues but it's the less worse browser for my use case (better than FF, anyway). Your (or mine) opinion on the CEO has nothing to do with the technical issue discussed in OP's link.
And no, what MAGA are you talking about? I'm not even 'murican. Take your meds, dude.
What is beyond my understanding is why every fucking time someone posts some relevant TECHNICAL info or question about that browser there's always someone else, which appears to be less smart than an amoeba, that feels the need to write the same exaggerate and OT bullshit about the CEO.
Technology and ethics and politics are not airgapped magically distinct things. Pretending that they are is a strategic political choice you are actively making.
Ok. I'm a bad person because I enjoy using a given browser. I get that.
This is a straw man argument; no one said you're a bad person for using a certain browser.
nobody cares about your "friendly remainders". We're talking about software here, not politics.
This is what they are criticising you about. You could be using Edge or Chrome, it wouldn't matter here, that wouldn't make you a bad person. The point is that pretending there is no connection when there is clearly a huge relevance here is massive.
Yawn... I'm tired of this shit. You people are really ridiculous. I'm going to just block you. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance and your virtue signaling.
