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dependencyinjection ,

The originality in these comments. Thought I was at bot city.

Defaced ,

Well the article title sucks, but also it's not a monopoly so idk what she's bitching about.

Jimmycakes ,

If you use slammed in your headline I already know it's going to be the most garbage bullshit I've ever read. I went delve into it.

JoeKrogan ,
@JoeKrogan@lemmy.world avatar

Slammed and thrown off a cage through the announcer table...🙄

TheHottub ,
@TheHottub@lemmy.world avatar

"Unprecedented" and "Slammed"

I read those two words in any article and I'm immediately second guessing my will to read more.

nexguy ,
@nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

At least it didn't say "game-changer"... the worst of them all.

ricdeh ,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

Now that's really a game changer of a comment!

nexguy ,
@nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

Sheesh I feel SLAMMED

dezmd ,
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

And I've been here the whoooole time.

Jumi ,

If I read someone getting slammed in a headline I instantly lose all interest

paf0 ,

That's how The Herald rolls, it has long been the most sensationalistic Boston newspaper.

Fedizen ,

gonna SLAM this writer

Amoxtli ,

I own a Samsung... So.

funn ,

Here's a link to anyone who wants to know why apple is considered a monopoly Is Apple an illegal monopoly?

hightrix ,

What monopoly?

Users have choice. If they want an open system, choose android. If they want a closed system, choose Apple.

What’s the fuckin problem. Let’s deal with real issues, not this bullshit.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

o shit she was slammed???

slammmmmed

JIMMERZ ,
@JIMMERZ@lemm.ee avatar

Some say the slam was so hard the shockwaves were felt on the other side of the globe.

Corkyskog ,

The slammer was thrown down so hard the pogs just went fucking everywhere.

Stalinwolf ,
@Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca avatar

Every time I read SLAMMED in an headline, my brain damage grows exponentially worse. I can't keep taking these kind of blows..

guycls ,

S L A M M E D

RGB3x3 ,

Absolutely fucking STOMPED ON

QuantumSparkles ,

ELIZABETH WARREN OUT HERE GETTING CRUSHED LIKE TURTS

Hexarei ,
@Hexarei@programming.dev avatar

COME ON AND SLAM

stoy ,

I didn't know Apple was a monopoly...

They are absolute dicks with iMessage, but they are not a monopoly.

I am an iPhone user, and I don't get why people look down on the green bubbles, I have several friends with Android phones, we can all send images and texts to eachother, sure the photos are reduced in size, but it's fine.

Just implement the new message standard, Apple and stop being dicks

MudMan ,
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

You kinda walked that back by yourself, I think. The point of anticompetitive practices isn't having a 100% market share, it's having a position of strength to enforce your control of the market.

So... you know, being dicks.

Enforcing a single form of in-platform commerce where you get a share and banning all other ways to sell or install software, downgrading the quality of media generated by your competitors, bundling your own unrelated software and adding roadblocks to competing alternatives... all of that is part of what's being discussed here.

stoy ,

The point is that there is a resonable alternative in Android, no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone, nor is the market lacking in available alternatives.

Yes, Apple are dicks, but they don't have a monopoly.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

See, that's the problem with modern politics. Warren knows very well that "a monopoly" understood as "the single remaining actor in a market" is imprecise and not the bar needed for antitrust laws to kick in. But she also knows that "an anticompetitive position of strength in the market" will not make the same headlines and confuse people.

So she says "a monopoly".

So you say "not a monopoly".

So this is a sterile conversation.

Antitrust laws are in place to prevent the specific behaviors Apple has been engaging in for ages. From the muscling out of third party repair shops to the attempt to bundle together every piece of software and hardware they make in-house, Apple is blatantly violating competition rules all over the place. The only reason they haven't been more aggressively regulated already elsewhere is their monopolistic price-hiking doesn't play in territories that are more sensitive to pricing for tech. Maybe on purpose? Hard to tell. If Apple had the type of market share across the EU it has in the US one can only imagine what sort of fines or threats to split it up it would have received by this point.

conciselyverbose , (edited )

They haven't implemented RCS because it's a dumpster fire with no redeeming qualities.

"RCS" only works on Android because Google did a bunch of their own shit outside the spec to make it remotely functional. They're trying to use legislature to bully their way into controlling the standard by forcing Apple to use it.

southsamurai ,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yup, and pretending otherwise is just head burying

Persen ,

Well, it partialy works, but it just uses google's servers and there isn't any alternative apps for it.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

I'm so surprised by the way this has gone in the US. The weird ass blend of SMS and messaging iMessage uses for no reason and the fact that it's sorta-kinda platform exclusive but not really is just an absolute mess of dumb engineering.

The fact that RCS is even part of this conversation seems so weird. Surely the real answer is for iMessage to just... have an Android port that works like the iOS port, right? That's how every other messaging app does it. I mean, sure, over here in Androidland where everybody uses Whatsapp (which has its own issues), RCS is a thing. If you open your text messaging app for some reason there is a Google prompt to switch it to RCS as a one-time optional choice. I just... never bothered. Because who the hell uses either SMS or RCS anyway?

Would I switch to iMessage if there was an Android port? No. Because everybody I've ever known with an iPhone uses Whatsapp, so that'd be as useful as switching to carrier pigeons. But it's worth pointing out that the only reason the EU hasn't forced interoperability for iMessage is exactly that. If it hadn't already lost the messenger app wars in Europe they would have been forced to sort this out one way or another.

smileyhead ,

Google Messages is to RCS what WhatsApp is to XMPP.

And Apple is going to be no different as they deal with Google and plug into their system.

Hiko0 ,

It‘s a duopoly and I doubt the US will tackle this problem. At least the EU has started doing something about it.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

Some nuance to that. The software platform is a duopoly, the hardware is not.

Not that it matters too much, because anticompetitive practices don't need a 100% or even a 50% market share.

Hiko0 ,

Correct. But hardware is not the problem here, I‘d say.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

I guess it depends. If Apple made iOS available on other hardware this conversation would be different, I bet. The problem with Apple's practices is the "ecosystem" approach. You get one of their devices and you HAVE to use their OS, you HAVE to use their core app bundle, you HAVE to use their store. And in a number of things where you don't have to, you're heavily incentivized or the competition is made less competitive. And now you're on a software platform that only works with Apple hardware, so now you have an incentive to migrate your other computing devices (laptops, desktops, smart TVs) to be from Apple, too, because that's where your compatible software lives.

It's the sort of practice antitrust laws exist to prevent.

Google is no saint and will do as much of this as they're allowed, but at least the nature of their OS and the diversity of manufacturers and OS customizations means they don't control the ecosystem end to end. The biggest manufacturer is Samsung, and they will ship with their browser, an alternate store, a different mail client and a bunch of OS modifications Google doesn't control, so Samsung and Google give each other some plausible deniability within the Android ecosystem oligopoly.

chalk46 ,
@chalk46@kbin.social avatar

and even then, Android is mostly open source.
I've personally updated the kernel to my Amazon Fire tablet (and believe me, the 3.18 branch doesn't contain as many security backports as they'd have you believe)

maynarkh ,

Antitrust is not about whether people have the arbitrary ability to go around it, it's about whether people actually go around it, and if not, is that because one player entrenched themselves in the market that they are able to distort it.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

I mean, you're both right.

Yes, the use of OSS by Google doesn't exempt them from antitrust laws.

But also yes, it does give them a defense that Apple just doesn't have. Not solely because of the OS portions, but also because it tends to guarantee some nominal competition. See above my point about Samsung's alternatives.

rottingleaf ,

US won't tackle it because it's a hegemon and in mercantilist terms benefits from it.

The EU and everybody else are, in fact, interested in changing this.

But - if nobody remembers, there was a certain TRON Project in Japan. Read up how it ended. Now, US threatening Japan with trade sanctions to preserve some oligopoly and US threatening EU with trade sanctions with the same goal are two different things, the latter is harder.

EDIT: And I don't want this to rub someone in a wrong way, but this is a rare case where something possibly called "states' rights" could have made sense. If the federal government was stripped of ability to do such things.

Hiko0 ,

You‘re right. That‘s why we need a strong EU and multilateral partnerships to counter US and Chinese ambitions.

ChihuahuaOfDoom ,

I'm getting really tired of the word slammed, maybe writers need to pick up a thesaurus (it's a dinosaur that knows a lot of words).

doublejay1999 ,
@doublejay1999@lemmy.world avatar

the journalist version*thersaurus hyperbolus * is a much lighter animal.

Entropywins ,

Slammed...

Hugh_Jeggs ,

I quite like it because you can spot shitty journalism from a mile away and not click the link

takeda ,

But you just did...

TheMinions ,

I know this may be surprising, but sometimes I just read the title and look at the comments.

k_rol ,

Nice! There are at least two of us!

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Three

Thcdenton ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/137a4909-1707-45c9-8420-23da32486d86.jpeg

Hugh_Jeggs ,

Takeda SLAMMED for presumptuous statement

aeronmelon ,

Boston Herald Slammed On Lemmy By ChihuahuaOfDoom For Its Verbal Tone

RamblingPanda ,

"waffle stomped"

ramirezmike ,

I studied news journalism in college and they kinda hammered in that in news journalism it's more important to communicate information consistently and to target a wide audience than it is to make "good writing."

There are style guides you have to follow and words like "slammed" end up getting used a lot despite not quite being accurate because they're words that are used a lot.

The other thing is that usually the person writing the headlines isn't the journalist.. and sometimes they do a lot of versions of the same headline and when people click more because of the word slammed it ends up sticking.

theluddite ,
@theluddite@lemmy.ml avatar

Your comment perfectly encapsulates one of the central contradictions in modern journalism. You explain the style guide, and the need to communicate information in a consistent way, but then explain that the style guide is itself guided by business interests, not by some search for truth, clarity, or meaning.

I've been a long time reader of FAIR.org and i highly recommend them to anyone in this thread who can tell that something is up with journalism but has never done a dive into what exactly it is. Modern journalism has a very clear ideology (in the sorta zizek sense, not claiming that the journalists do it nefariously). Once you learn to see it, it's everywhere

ramirezmike ,

yeah, unfortunately they need to make money to exist. And that creates all sorts of incentives that aren't great. I still like journalism and think it's an important part of a working society, but I decided pretty quickly after studying it that I didn't want to be part of it

Chakravanti ,

I'll take that just like Lee Camp being a journalist.

RagingRobot ,

How hard is it to ban the word slammed in your style guide? Excuses are the nails to build a house of failure.

ramirezmike ,

I kinda alluded to it but they probably don't want to ban the word because it's commonly used and it drives clicks.

WallEx ,

So they use the word often, because its often used by them? Pretty ass backwards, but also makes sense for sensationalist "journalism"

ramirezmike ,

I don't see how it's backwards, the word drives clicks and is commonly used. It's unfortunate but most journalism has to be profit-motivated to survive these days.

slaacaa , (edited )

Angry reader slammed article due to a word in its title - you might be surprised to find out which

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Journalists hate this one secret

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