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Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/15988326

Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10, and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update releases through that date. Existing LTSC releases will continue to receive updates beyond that date based on their specific lifecycles.

Source: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Oh fucking great. My daughter's online school requires her to run "Windows 8 or greater," but we got her a used laptop that can run 10 to make sure it can keep up with security updates. I don't even know if it is powerful enough to run 11 because I didn't even consider the possibility when I bought it. Now we're going to have to buy a new one in a couple of years?

Fuck you Pierson and Microsoft.

barsquid ,

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    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    If I could afford a lawyer, I wouldn't be concerned about having to buy a new notebook for her.

    737 ,

    Pirate Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC for support until 2027

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks, I'll look into that. I appreciate it!

    Killer ,

    You can use massgrave to activate it, microsoft support has been caught using it to activate windows on customers computers.

    frostmore ,

    massgeave activation is new to me.

    is that paid?

    Tixanou ,
    @Tixanou@lemmy.world avatar

    It's free!

    Dougtron007 ,

    Most laptops that ship with windows 10 are capable of running 11. I recommend finding out if the schools provides a license. When I was attending Phoenix online a couple years ago they supplied me with a windows 10 education license through Microsoft.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    It does not unfortunately.

    Dark_Arc ,
    @Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

    Do they actually require it or do they "require" it.

    A lot of things that are browser based "require" Windows or Mac but don't actually require it.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I don't particularly care to risk my daughter's education by trying to figure that out.

    Dark_Arc ,
    @Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

    Oh christ...

    refalo ,

    lmao

    bufalo1973 ,
    @bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

    Get a live-USB and check it. Maybe you get a surprise.

    bufalo1973 ,
    @bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

    Get a live-USB and check it. Maybe you get a surprise.

    cley_faye ,

    What a coincidence. I had to install a W11 machine for a relative. The amount of backward decision in the first 20 minutes of checking the settings is mind boggling. Really? Can't open the start menu on "all apps"? Not even an option?

    PotatoKat ,

    I got a new machine and put windows on it and the amount of registry tweaks to get it even close to my windows 10 is ridiculous. Significantly more than what I had to do to 10 to make it a bit more like 7 back in the day. (I know i know get linux, but you can't play Dragon Ball FighterZ online with linux and that's the game I play the most)

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    Fortunately, the number of Linux compatible games is increasing, and companies are actually considering Linux support now for games. I doubt that particular game will get Linux multiplayer support (who knows!), but maybe the next game you get into will!

    So for anyone else who reads this: give Linux a shot! If it doesn't work for your games, try again in a year or so.

    PotatoKat ,

    Oh 100% give Linux a try. I run pop-os on my 10 year old gaming laptop and it runs way better than it ever did on windows. I'm sure if I put Linux on my desktop it would be even better. I just play too much dbfz and the console version has way too much latency for me to have fun on it anymore

    cyberpunk007 ,

    Windows has been more about telling you what you want instead of being intuitive for a few iterations now.

    hydrospanner ,

    "Intuitive" is basically telling you what you want and being right about it.

    The opposite of telling you what you want isn't being intuitive, it's being flexible and customizable.

    cyberpunk007 ,

    Ok sure. But I think we can all agree when we click the start menu we don't want "recommended" apps. I don't want to click start and click apps to see the list.

    I also can't be the only one that hates clicking start or pressing the windows key and typing in "word" or something then have it taken a bazillion years to search the web, and have hit or miss results or whether it suggests the app or some shitty web results.

    It's also counter intuitive to remove features that already exist. Like right clicking the start button for useful shortcuts. Or right clicking the task bar for other things like the task manager (which they ended up bringing back, surprisingly). They also removed moving the task bar. These are things that already existed. They removed them. They didn't need to rebuild them. They were deliberate.

    slimarev92 ,

    Ten years of support is not that bad actually. Having said that, Linux is better in almost every way.

    raspberriesareyummy ,

    Ten years of support is not that bad actually. Having said that, Linux is better in almost every way.

    "Linux is better in every way except for those use cases specifically tailored by Microsoft & associates to not play ball with Linux".

    ftfy. Fuck corporations.

    JustARegularNerd ,

    I think while this is true, it's the time you have to switch over is much smaller.

    Windows XP kept being supported until 2014, and up to that point you had Windows Vista (2007), Windows 7 (2009) and Windows 8 (2012). That's 7 years users had to move over.

    Even if you consider something like Windows 7 with a shorter support cycle ending in 2020, you had Windows 8 (2012) and Windows 10 (2015), giving you 8 years to cave in and upgrade.

    Windows 11 came out in 2022, and you have 3 years not to just upgrade the OS, but in a lot of cases your hardware too. I think this is why everyone is feeling the squeeze moreso than previously.

    dont_lemmee_down ,

    I have been running Linux for some time now, still had a Windows partition for gaming. Then I switched the motherboard and windows decided I no longer had a key for it... I stopped playing most of the windows exclusive games. Since last week I can't even boot anymore, something about missing drivers. Spent a day trying to fix it.
    Today I decided fuck it and I'm just leaving it behind! It makes no sense wasting so much energy on a vastly inferior OS that actively tries to fight me.

    Nougat ,

    Then I switched the motherboard and windows decided I no longer had a key for it

    The reason for this is that Windows builds an identifier based on the hardware of the machine on which it is installed. When that identifier doesn't match, it throws a flag that says "Hey now ..." I think that you still get a couple of "honor system passes" before the installed OS enforces anything.

    Once that gets enforced, you can call Microsoft Clearinghouse, "I upgraded my hardware," and they'll give you a new key to enter.

    wewbull ,

    Whereas on Linux I recently upgraded the motherboard on my machine from a B350 to a B550, stripping it down to it's parts and rebuilding. Different network chip, audio chip, WiFi and Bluetooth, etc, etc. 6 SSDs plugged back in in a shuffled order.

    Linux booted and worked first time, adjusting which drivers it used automatically, mounting all the drives in their original locations. Similar thing when I upgraded my GPU. Admittedly the old one was AMD, same as the new one, but there was about 4 or 5 generations between them. CPU upgrades too.

    I've got a real machine of Theseus here. I think my case and my heatsink is all that's left from the original.

    ...oh...and the OS.

    Nougat ,

    Windows will do the exact same thing. It'll even boot and run just fine, only telling you that Windows isn't activated. And you can get vendor support if you need it. I had a Windows system that started as XP and got upgraded and passed around among newer and newer hardware up to Windows 11 with nary a problem.

    dont_lemmee_down ,

    Apparently there is 2 types of Windows licences. The ones that are bound to the hardware and ones that aren't.
    If you bought a PC with preinstalled Windows, it's probably the first and you wont get any new keys.

    Nougat ,

    I think you're right that OEM licenses are more strict on certain hardware changes, as in they wouldn't give you a pass on a single mainboard change - but you would still get a key from clearinghouse. As far as I'm aware, all retail and OEM keys are hardware bound. KMS/MAK are not.

    kent_eh ,

    I have been running Linux for some time now,

    Same. Windows 95 was the last MS install on my personal machine.

    Maggoty ,

    Of Note, Microsoft has a block on a lot of people moving to 11 without buying new computers. This will solidify their position as a corporate provider over personal devices and give more fuel to either Apple or Open Source.

    MTK ,

    WiNdOwS 10 wIlL bE tHe LaSt WiNdOwS

    matmarspace ,

    It will tho ;)

    merthyr1831 ,

    the last functional windows.

    dumpsterlid , (edited )

    Well yes because customers will be sunsetting support for Microsoft products with the end of Windows 10 :P

    I feel like most people at Microsoft must know it and don’t care, the upper execs are either out to lunch or they are pre-emptively throwing away away the consumer desktop market because they just don’t value it anymore for whatever reason.

    I think for the richest and farthest looking powerful people at Microsoft, the desktop battle is over, desktop OS software has become commodified (even though… it hasn’t actually yet by the numbers just by the practicality of the alternatives) and it isn’t worth investing seriously in maintaining their operating system long term as anything but a skin for their particular corporate flavor of Linux.

    Internet Explorer to Edge but repeated with Windows.

    Good riddance I say, but the complete divestment from giving a shit is pretty shocking, I don’t know where they think the on-ramp for customers is going to come from that will bring people fed up with Windows 11 onto friendly Linux distro where they can still use Microsoft software and services. I think it is more likely the bulk of people will just stop using desktop operating systems and…. Microsoft lost the battle to have relevance on mobile years and years ago?

    It is weird because it feels like if Kodak saw the digital photography revolution coming 5-10 years before it happened and pre-emptively gave up on the entire film photography market and started releasing crap film and film related products and invested all their money into R&D for digital cameras… except that because Kodak was by far the biggest player in the film market before Kodak could develop a decent digital camera (if they were ever going to do that) the personnel photography market collapsed, fed up customers left, and there wasn’t a market for Kodak to sell personnel cameras of any type by the time they finally got their shit together to make a good one.

    Digital photography in this metaphor is a consumer computer market where most people run a Linux based FOSS operating system with proprietary Microsoft services bolted on top and thus Microsoft finally can truly tell its customers to fuck off when they demand their operating not be trash (not that linux is trash). Certainly many many people are going this route, the year of the Linux desktop is no longer a joke these days and I am hyped, but it will be nowhere near enough for a company the size of Microsoft.

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
    @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

    monkey's paw curls a finger

    nutsack ,

    you wouldn't believe how many middle class families and small businesses in southeast asia are officially fucked

    mitrosus ,

    They will most likely continue to use win 10 oblivious of its EOL. I have seen many using windows 7 even now. Some tech-aware will install win11 in the same machine by registry hack or sth. Very, very few will consider the possibility of alternatives.

    nutsack ,

    the ransomware groups will be very happy

    mitrosus ,

    Don't underestimate the power of Normies. They don't know what a ransom is, nor the value of their own data. Any email requesting for ransom will go unnoticed or marked spam, and users will live in their normie nirvana, while their digital self will lie floating around internet, which they wont give a damn. After all, all their Facebook photos and tiktok videos are already out.

    Tregetour ,
    @Tregetour@lemdro.id avatar

    You'll soon be able to include MS itself in that designation.

    Your Microsoft account has been suspended. We'll need some additional information from you to get you back on your feet.

    <Button> Provide iris scan (webcam)
    <Button> Provide iris scan (Microsoft account-connected mobile device)
    <Button> Shutdown Microsoft PC

    bufalo1973 ,
    @bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

    Win7? I've seen public computers still using XP.

    matmarspace ,

    That's just sad :(

    Chev , (edited )

    My PC that I've just built last summer is not able to upgrade to W11 despite still having the best AMD components available. How is this going to work out?

    Edit: I figured it out. I needed to reset my CPU settings in BIOS. Now my system reaches the requirements.

    Codilingus ,

    Unless you built with like, really old parts, I'm not sure how this would be a problem?

    Chev ,

    The newest available even to this day.

    Codilingus ,

    Then you should be fine to install W11. I'm on AM4 x570 and I can install W11. Secure Boot and fTPM are both on, and you can disable the requirement to need either.

    Maggoty ,

    Probably the motherboard. That's why I can't go to 11.

    NinjaTeensy ,

    You can still install 11 by disabling its requirements with Rufus.

    Or could swap to Linux as most of Lemmy would probably tell you.

    VeganCheesecake ,
    @VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    All the new AMD Chips have had an integrated fTPM for quite some time. Dunno what else the problem could be. But as long as you don't really need Windows, I'd go Linux.

    Vivendi ,
    @Vivendi@lemmy.zip avatar

    You probably have some stuff like fTPM disabled in the UEFI. If you have AMD Zen or newer, it should work as long as you enable the settings.

    Also, update your firmware. Any newer AMD firmware should enable fTPM automatically precisely to enable Windows 11 support.

    AMD was really forward looking when they added this shit in 2016 eh

    UnpledgedCatnapTipper ,

    You actually need Zen+, the 1000 series Zen CPUs aren't compatible but the 2000+ series are!

    pirrrrrrrr ,

    Yeah... I'm not gonna worry about it until maybe September next year.

    Duamerthrax ,

    September, the year after... maybe.

    Do I trust hackers or Microsoft less with my gaming partition?

    Woovie ,

    I switched to Arch a month ago because of Microsoft forceful integration of their shit AI tools into 11. Easy switch.

    Valmond ,

    So that is what it means, people wont support w10 anymore after oct 2025?

    fury ,

    I'd love to comply, but unfortunately the last time I tried Windows 11, my Ethernet and WiFi quit working and I had to roll back ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ how do you screw up something as basic and necessary as the internet connection?

    CoolMatt ,

    I think you have too uhhhh... Download the drivers from the internet

    Resol ,
    @Resol@lemmy.world avatar

    Hi, KDE. Can we be friends?

    kingshrubb ,

    Microsoft won't let me upgrade with an i7 6700K

    refalo ,

    they want you to buy a new pc So they get their license fee

    Deway ,

    That thing must be as slow as a Pentium 3, it obviously can't run a features packed OS like Win11.
    Go install Windows XP you dirt poor person. /s

    Bakkoda ,
    @Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Same exact cpu. It's a tpm issue. You might be able to "solve" it with some simple bios setting but some would consider it already fixed. I have.

    edboythinks ,

    I've got money on Microsoft putting a dead man switch in the last win10 update

    CaptKoala ,

    I'm picturing in my mind, that they'll add an overlay that takes up your whole screen on login after October '25 that'll just say "Upgrade to Windows 11 now!" That you can't close.

    Theharpyeagle ,

    I'm dreading what will happen at work. I even paid for the Win11 upgrade on my personal desktop, used it for a month and then installed Mint and never looked back. Not being able to move the start bar is such a minor thing, but it's a great indicator of how locked down that PoS is and how little they care about what users want.

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