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Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/15988326

Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10, and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update releases through that date. Existing LTSC releases will continue to receive updates beyond that date based on their specific lifecycles.

Source: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

HexesofVexes ,

At this point, I can use Linux for most things except older fangames, reliable printing (seriously, cups is pain), and some mmorpgs.

Once I get a month without the university shitting its pants and changing policy overnight, I'll eat the learning curve and switch (actually learn to troubleshoot wine rather than relying on searches).

When I move, thinking mint with cinnamon because I love that desktop.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Being serious: what MMORPG or old game isn't able to run on Proton or Wine by now?

Literally everything I've tossed at Linux Mint and told "use proton 9" has just worked? Currently playing the most heavily modded FNV run I've ever done while also experiencing actually 0 crashes for the first time and I'm not actually 100% sure how that's happening?

I've been shocked with Linux's game capabilities through proton 9 at this point and would love to hear of a use case where it's not working just to see if I could get it working for the fun of it if I get some time

Classy ,

cups is pain

It's hilarious because it was FAR easier for me to get printing going on my Linux machine than with W10. It's an old printer, 1320n from HP, maybe 15 years old, but the damn thing is amazing for document printing, and I had to hunt for drivers and do a lot of compatibility shit to get my computer to recognize it. Arch (EndeavourOS) seemed to just natively recognize the printer and gave me zero fuss. When I was using Ubuntu, I used CUPS and it wasn't terrible. I liked it better than driver fishing, for sure.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I have had pretty much no problems printing, probably because I got a good printer (Brother laser printer). It just works every time.

Swarfega ,

I built a new PC last year and installed Windows 11. I honestly have no issues with jt and it runs fine. However the shitty practices of current Microsoft have started appearing and ground my gears. So much so that I got a second drive and installed Mint. It's not been easy adjusting and I often find myself booting into Windows for one reason or another but I spend the majority of my time now in Linux. I got a bit bored of Mint. I'm a sucker for new things so I moved to Arch. After installing a few packages I'm actually pretty happy with it. Proton has been the key for my move. Without it I simply wouldn't be able to use Linux.

Outside of Windows, moving away from Chrome, GMail and Google search it's a breath of fresh air. I don't feel like I'm constantly being tracked now and having products thrown in my face. I miss the old internet where harvesting everyone's data wasn't a thing.

MystikIncarnate ,

If memory serves me, they usually do 5 years of extended support after they retire an os, so, I'm just going to wait and see.

TachyonTele ,

Supposedly they're not doing that this time. That's part of the reason people are making a big deal out of it.

Beebabe ,
@Beebabe@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve decided I’m gonna have one crapbox prebuilt just for the windows things and nothing important or personal, but my work laptop and pc will most certainly not be windows going forward. I have a lot to learn but I’m over it with the ads and the privacy stuff is a genuine concern for work related items.

refalo ,

unfortunately the games I like to play require bare-metal windows and a beefy gpu.

Zacryon ,

Which ones?

refalo ,

many teknoparrot games for example. some do work on wine/lutris/etc. but many do not.

matmarspace , (edited )

Are you sure? You checked them on ProtonDB or you checked them on your hardware?

I have just bought a modern AMD gpu (rx 7700xt) and now I am very surprised how almost every game works on Linux (I miss you rainbow six siedge, but I know it's the developer's fault who just chose not to enable anticheat support on Linux 🥲). Before I had Radeon R9 380 so it was quite old at this point but performance wise it wasn't really as bad but I noticed that performance on Linux compared to Windows was trash or games even didn't work at all. Now I guess it was due to how old and unsupported my old gpu was. Now everything just works and I'm shocked. Hardware is unfortunately important on Linux 😭. It doesn't need to be beefy but it needs to be somehow modern. (At least for games... Everything else worked just fine even on my old hardware)

refalo ,

yes I'm very sure

ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

I’m gonna have one crapbox prebuilt just for the windows things

I did that too. For older games.
Then I went ahead and installed Linux on that one too.

FuryMaker ,

Windows 10 21H2 LTSC IoT support ends in 13th Jan 2032.
Just saying.

Or Arch...

OsmerusMordax ,

And where does one get LTSC?

ProdigalFrog , (edited )
@ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net avatar

Yarr, matey.

I'd recommend asking around lemmy.dbzer0.com, in the sailing community.

But it'd be easier to switch to Linux Mint, if you don't have a critical windows app that doesn't work in wine.

Also @JamesFire

JamesFire ,

Ooooo thanks

Randelung ,

and we still can't get vmware to run properly on our company laptops. current theory is p/e core scheduling shenanigans. it's only been two years, what can you expect from the global leaders in virtualization and os.

i swear, before i upgrade I'll move my team to Linux. I've been mainlining debian for six years without issues, INCLUDING RUNNING VMWARE.

Tinks ,

Who knows, by then Broadcom may drive VMware into the ground too, making the whole thing moot!

Randelung ,

we use vmware because customers do. if they migrate - which they might because of the licensing thing - we will too. so it's an actual possibility already.

fingers crossed!

bfg9k ,

Dude fuck VMWare honestly

I'd bet any money they will go under in a few years, nobody is deploying a new vmware system after the shit Broadcom pulled

_sideffect ,

Fu win11 with its abundance of spyware and ai bs

NarrativeBear ,

But I don't want to buy all new hardware! Thought MS was sustainable. Instead MS is BS.

Thorry84 ,

Always has been.

And I've been using Microsoft since my first computer in 1984. Recently got DOS 2.0 with hacked FAT16 running on my first computer, would have blown my mind back then.

Blaster_M ,

Controversial Take:

Windows 11 is actually decent

Kongar ,

It’s 10 with some extra BS. It runs. But I wouldn’t call it decent. Definitely a controversial take ;)

Take my upvote not because I agree, but because you are brave! ;)

applepie ,

give us 3 reasons why

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar
  • Stable
  • Lots of features
  • Very widespread support
cyberpunk007 ,

The funny thing is I use Mac Linux and Windows daily. Windows 11 on my surface. This is my business computer. Mac for the employer I work for. Linux for my personal desktop. 11 crashes all the time. Start menu and task bar glitches. Random UI elements not loading properly. I frequently need to restart explorer.exe. I get thunderbolt dock issues and glitches. This does not occur on the MacBook. Or my old windows 10 work laptop.

I actually like 10 now. 11 is hot trash. I'll take 12 over it so far from what we know of it.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

Whereas I use Windows 11 on all of my machines, including one I use for my job as a programmer and regularly put through the wringer, and I don't actually know what the Windows 11 version of the blue screen of death looks like because I have never crashed the OS. I can't recall the last time I saw a bug like what you're describing, either. So I don't know what you're doing wrong with your Windows 11 install, but it seems I've somehow avoided it without particularly trying.

cyberpunk007 ,

Me neither, I have mainly Microsoft software on there. It's Microsoft's own tablet lol. It probably would help if I reinstalled but I can't be bothered. It "works".

circuscritic ,

The major problems isn't Windows 11 usability, although those issues due exist. UI and workflow issues can typically get addressed, or mitigated, by 3rd party tools.

The real concerns are the exponential increases in spyware, such as the AI recovery tool that records all user interactions, or the native advertising inside of the system itself e.g. Start Menu ads.

If native AI data collection and advertising is baked into all nooks and crannies of the system, the ability of users to mitigate those threats becomes extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible to completely resolve.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

You can turn off Recall with a simple toggle in the settings.

There's no need to switch operating systems, just turn it off.

dukethorion ,
@dukethorion@lemmy.world avatar

Do you trust that its off? Or just off for You?

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

I trust that Microsoft fears the lawsuits that would ensue if they were caught lying about it, and that they wouldn't derive any significant benefit from lying about it. Why would they?

dukethorion ,
@dukethorion@lemmy.world avatar

Because legal fees and fines are the cost of doing business for Big AdTech

circuscritic ,

Even if you trust that one feature will actually be disabled, that was just one example.

Do you really believe you can disable and remove all of the numerous data collection and spyware components that are baked into all aspects of the OS?

I'm not saying no one should use Windows 11, but they should be honest with themselves about the trade-off they're accepting.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

Even if you trust that one feature will actually be disabled, that was just one example.

The other one mentioned was the start menu ads. Those can also be turned off with a simple toggle in the settings. Finding this was as simple as Googling "turn off windows start menu ads", it was the top result.

Do you really believe you can disable and remove all of the numerous data collection and spyware components that are baked into all aspects of the OS?

Yes. Because Windows is used by a lot of big giant corporations that would sue the hell out of Microsoft if it wasn't possible to disable those features.

ricdeh ,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

First of all, there are specialised Enterprise distributions of M$ Windows. Furthermore, what ground would any company have to sue M$ on what the latter put in their own operating system?

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

I work for a big giant corporation and plenty of its computers don't run Enterprise Windows.

A lawsuit would come in the case that Microsoft was lying about whether you could disable those features. Microsoft has put toggles for them into the settings, if it turns out that those toggles don't actually disable the things they claim to disable then that's where Microsoft is going to face legal issues. Do you really think Microsoft cares enough about the tiny portion of their customer base that's going to change the default settings that they would risk that sort of lawsuit to "spy" on them?

cyberpunk007 ,

Yes. Just like you can turn off a bunch of the windows 10 crap with registry keys and tools. Why. Why does a user need to go to such lengths to make their OS they paid for not soy on them and deliver them ads?

"Oh it's not that bad!" You'll say. Ya. Windows 10 wasn't THAT bad for it. Then came 11. Then 12 will come. Inch by inch it will turn to shit more and more, and that is the point.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

But this really isn't a registry key or tool, though. Did you click my link? It's a simple on/off toggle in the system settings menu. You just open the settings and click "off." I don't see how much simpler they could make it.

cyberpunk007 ,

You need to consider the bigger picture. Not this specific thing.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

I haven't had to edit the registry in as long as I can remember. Not just for this specific thing. What stuff are you talking about?

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

It will be interesting to see how this impacts the market share lol.

cyberpunk007 ,

Probably not much, sadly.

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yeah, IMO the majority of people that can switch to Linux already have. The rest are locked in by software they need for their livelihood that only works on Windows. Ofc you can tell them about WINE, but that doesn't always work very well and is outside of the comfort zone for most people (including me, who's been using Ubuntu since 2016).

AmbroisindeMontaigu ,

The period after MS stopped messing with it and before software stopped supporting it was the nicest time to use Windows 7, I expect it to be the same for Windows 10.

cosmicrookie ,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Linux Mint FTW!
Changed partly because of this and partly because of all the ads, bloatware, spyware etc etc

dodos ,

I don't really know what I'll do. I currently have to dual boot windows 10 for work since I do unreal game dev. I guess push for managers to allow me to setup a Linux dev env? But Linux binaries for third party plugins arent always there. That's where I got stuck last time I tried.

Xanis ,

Looking forward to the sudden, definitely inexplicable, price increase of specific hardware at about the nine month mark.

Bonesince1997 ,

I've heard you can pay to continue updates on Win10 for three years I believe it was.

catloaf ,

Yeah but who is going to do that outside business customers with strict requirements? Raise your hand if you ever even paid for a Windows license in the first place (other than one that came with the PC).

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