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Windows 10 is EOL in October 2025

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/15988326

Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10, and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update releases through that date. Existing LTSC releases will continue to receive updates beyond that date based on their specific lifecycles.

Source: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

sentient_loom ,
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

Will they start supporting old CPUs? I couldn't install Windows 11 on my pre-gen-8 intel laptops, so I had to go with 10.

shortwavesurfer ,

Nope, but they will support Linux. All the users who do not want Windows 11, AI spying on them, or don't want to buy new hardware, will be going to Linux. So thank you in advance Microsoft, we appreciate it.

JamesFire ,

How is Linux scheduling with intel's heterogonous CPUs? 12th gen and later?

shortwavesurfer ,

I have no idea. I'm rocking a Dell Latitude from like 2014 with an Intel Core i3 something.

JamesFire ,

Ah well I have a 13th gen laptop I use primarily for emulation on-the-go, so if linux was even halfway decent, I'd probably switch it over.

Toes ,
@Toes@ani.social avatar

I really want to see the EU force Microsoft to release a stripped down version that continues to support older hardware.

RiQuY ,

Can they do that?

Toes ,
@Toes@ani.social avatar

It's not out of the realm of possibility. They have been known to force Microsoft to make changes in the past. As well as Apple and other major software companies.

Edit: Grammar

homesweethomeMrL ,

Shouldn’t they just support Linux more? Maybe fund some driver development but otherwise - win?

Toes ,
@Toes@ani.social avatar

I'm not too familiar with that side of things but I do believe they do. My understanding is that some organizations are set up as nonprofits and they contribute to the development of Linux.

Some European governments also use foss software for things like email and office.

But it's easier to throw darts at a big company than lots of small things that add up to something big.

snownyte ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

One would think.

Linux costs next to nothing compared to Windows. So if companies want to cry about having to save on budget, go with the better option for it.

Who the fuck needs Office 365? Nothing has really changed on that software for years, it's still the same shit. I don't see anything different on Microsoft Word 2007 from it's 365 counterpart. People are getting scammed.

Fiivemacs ,

The UI keeps changing...

FordBeeblebrox ,

My gf recently took one of those dumb ability tests on Indeed for an office job, shows you two screenshots of document editing and you answer which buttons achieve the desired effect. I opened Word on my laptop and all of the buttons were in different places compared to screenshots.

MS, just go sit down somewhere and stop fiddling with shit

Lemminary ,

BuT It HaS aI SuPpOrT NoW!

What a selling point.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

Why? Only hardcore computer nerds would ever want that.

phdepressed ,

Because a bunch of government and business uses 10 and they really don't want "Recall AI" in there for a plethora of reasons.

catloaf ,

Then they can use LTSC until 2027 or pay for extended service until 2028. After that, they'll just be unsupported.

I'm sure there's going to be a group policy setting to disable the Recall AI thing anyway.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

You can disable Recall with a simple on/off toggle in the settings pane.

Classy ,

Kind of feels like giving my toddler a loaded gun, but saying that it's safe because the safety is on.

Toes ,
@Toes@ani.social avatar

A devastating amount of computer hardware is about to be e-wasted because they decided to drop support for anything older than roughly 2017/2018.

It's an arbitrary limitation as people have succeeded in forcing it to work on much older hardware that still works well enough for your avg person.

Additionally, windows used to be a tool now it's a platform for them to essentially market any number of things and user privacy appears to be the least important thing on the table.

The only reason we don't see mass adoption of Linux has been 4 decades of software development and marketing that let's them continue to wear their crown.

A regulatory party needs to humble them and return windows to being a tool.

Imagine if the gasoline companies one day announced that they will be changing gas so only cars bought in the last 5 years or so could refuel.

Now imagine if to buy a car you had to tolerate cameras and other forms of tracking your telemetry just to get to work and feed yourself.

Lunacy yes? They took the "my" out of my computer.

JackGreenEarth ,
@JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee avatar

Why should they have to support Windows 10 when Linux would run fine on your 'old' machine? That really puts the 'yours' back in your computer, no need for a company to do it for you.

Toes ,
@Toes@ani.social avatar

Yeah and abandon so much in the process.

Linux is wonderful and works plenty fine, but as a civilization we are not ready. There's still so much that won't work out of the box, for most manufacturers it's an after thought if any at all.

You can't walk into your avg store and be like I want a computer with Linux that will play fortnite.

You can't blindly buy a video game or a multifunctional printer without serious consideration.

Unlike Windows where it's the established norm that it will work 100% of the time.

Sure you can argue that a user should just learn to deal with that and teach themselves how to install Linux and cope with whatever comes up.

But that's just unfair to grandma and anyone else that hasn't made computers a hobby.

pHr34kY ,

I have two Surface Pros that are BIOS locked so I can't install Linux. They also don't support Win11.

I'm not sure what I can do with them.

barsquid ,

I am full of rage by proxy, sorry to hear that. I've been thinking of only buying coreboot motherboards from now on, but that's easier said than done.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

Imagine if the gasoline companies one day announced that they will be changing gas so only cars bought in the last 5 years or so could refuel.

They've already effectively did this, and by they I mean the US government mandated it. 5% ethanol has been mandated since 2006, and 10% since 2012. If your car is too old (lots of 90s cars) you'll have to find a gas station that has ethanol free fuel.

Feyd ,

I've read this a few times. If ethanol is mandated how are there stations with ethanol free? Do they just have a pay an extra tax or something?

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

It’s allowed for certain types of vehicles, so people illicitly put it in to regular vehicles as well and gas stations turn a blind eye.

die444die ,

It’s not illicit to put non ethanol gas in any vehicle, and even if it were would you actually expect gas stations to confirm the type of vehicle that’s getting fuel for every transaction before the customer is allowed to swipe their card and fill up?

You may be confusing ethanol free gas with off road diesel, which is basically just lower taxed and not dyed. Even then it’s not up to the gas station to police who buys it.

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

I think actually I was thinking the extra-high octane gas labeled 'for collector vehicles only'.

die444die ,

Ah okay I’ve not come across that one myself. It’s also possible certain states have different regulations (if we are talking about the US).

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

It prevents knocking in sensitive vintage vehicles, which were designed for leaded gas, too. That article also covers why ethanol can be harmful for them.

Pyrarrows ,

Fun fact, there were still computers being manufactured with CPUs that don't support Windows 11 in 2020, got one of those at work that we will need to replace before then. Thankfully only one, so it's not too big of a deal.

Rolder ,

The real thing stopping mass adoption of Linux is that few people want to fiddle around with their machines to that degree. For the vast majority of users, it just needs to run and be able to run whatever programs are needed, and the easier it is to do so, the better.

dukethorion ,
@dukethorion@lemmy.world avatar

The majority of computer owners use their machine to open a web browser and maybe an email client.

Surely that can be done on any OS.

Rolder ,

Correct, and those people aren’t going to jump through hoops finding a distro and drivers when they can just install windows and call it a day

hydrospanner ,

This

And when I run into issues, I would rather be using the OS that is the most common so that I have more options to get good info for a fix. I don't want problems that nobody's ever encountered, or for which the fix is beyond my limited technical ability.

It's somewhat amusing when I see people on Lemmy proselytizing for Linux and literally while laying out their points to convince someone how easy it is, they'll talk about doing shit that is already beyond my ability. And I'm not some 90 year old who struggles to turn it on. I'm just a user that doesn't care to use any OS that I'll need to take time to learn to figure out how to use it.

When I start a Windows machine I just do what I need to do.

When even a Linux cheerleader is trying to convince someone how easy it is, they're already indicating more effort than I want to put into it.

e0qdk ,
@e0qdk@reddthat.com avatar

Now imagine if to buy a car you had to tolerate cameras and other forms of tracking your telemetry just to get to work and feed yourself.

Sorry to be the bearer of depressing news, but that's basically already happening in new cars.

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/privacy-nightmare-on-wheels-every-car-brand-reviewed-by-mozilla-including-ford-volkswagen-and-toyota-flunks-privacy-test/

https://jacobin.com/2024/03/car-spying-insurance-surveillance-data/

kakes ,

>.>

<.<

...no reason.

MrZweihander ,

I wouldn't be surprised to see the EU require M$ to remove the artificial requirements and let 10 users on older hardware update.

cley_faye ,

It already exists. Most of the requirements that break with current W10 machines are artificial and can be removed at install time with rufus (memory requirement, secure boot, TPM2, microsoft account).

Still not a solution; you should not have to fight against your OS design choices that much.

NutWrench ,
@NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

It looks like Windows 10 is going to be my last Windows operating system. Thanks to Microsoft.

gandalf_der_12te ,
@gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Year Of The Linux Desktop

NutWrench ,
@NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

I'm worried about my Steam library. Steam ended support for Windows 7 not long ago. How long will they Support Windows 10?

djsaskdja ,

Only 3% of Windows users are on Windows 7. Compared to 70% on Windows 10. When that number drops significantly, that’s around the time I’d expect Steam to drop. They’ll go where their customers go.

Dark_Arc ,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

You should be worried about being on any Windows computer connected to the Internet that Microsoft is no longer patching period...

Emmie ,
@Emmie@lemm.ee avatar

I wonder if it would make sense to sell 4090 and buy cheaper amd card before Linux switch. Problem is I from time to time play VR and also do blender sometimes so probably can’t. Does nv optix work in Linux ver of blender?

exu ,
@exu@feditown.com avatar

I don't know how good it is, but for Turing and later GPUs there's a new official open source driver being developed. You'd likely have to use a more bleeding edge distro to get that.

VR works depending on your headset. Index is fine, Oculus doesn't work.

You could make a usb stick of your desired distro and test everything without permanent changes before commiting.

barsquid ,

Try Bazzite and see if that works for you. They are focused on gaming and hardware support.

weker01 ,

Yep optix works on Linux. Blender is also generally faster in Linux btw.

BroBot9000 ,
@BroBot9000@lemmy.world avatar

I installed Linux Mint for the first time the other day and I’m thoroughly enjoying myself.

Thanks M$ for getting me to enjoy my pc again, as a Linux.

AdamBomb ,

Same! It’s been great.

MisterFrog ,
@MisterFrog@lemmy.world avatar

This is what will push me over to Linux too, just will be procrastinate a bit because I don't have lots of time to work out all the kinks

cley_faye ,

What a coincidence. I had to install a W11 machine for a relative. The amount of backward decision in the first 20 minutes of checking the settings is mind boggling. Really? Can't open the start menu on "all apps"? Not even an option?

PotatoKat ,

I got a new machine and put windows on it and the amount of registry tweaks to get it even close to my windows 10 is ridiculous. Significantly more than what I had to do to 10 to make it a bit more like 7 back in the day. (I know i know get linux, but you can't play Dragon Ball FighterZ online with linux and that's the game I play the most)

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Fortunately, the number of Linux compatible games is increasing, and companies are actually considering Linux support now for games. I doubt that particular game will get Linux multiplayer support (who knows!), but maybe the next game you get into will!

So for anyone else who reads this: give Linux a shot! If it doesn't work for your games, try again in a year or so.

PotatoKat ,

Oh 100% give Linux a try. I run pop-os on my 10 year old gaming laptop and it runs way better than it ever did on windows. I'm sure if I put Linux on my desktop it would be even better. I just play too much dbfz and the console version has way too much latency for me to have fun on it anymore

cyberpunk007 ,

Windows has been more about telling you what you want instead of being intuitive for a few iterations now.

hydrospanner ,

"Intuitive" is basically telling you what you want and being right about it.

The opposite of telling you what you want isn't being intuitive, it's being flexible and customizable.

cyberpunk007 ,

Ok sure. But I think we can all agree when we click the start menu we don't want "recommended" apps. I don't want to click start and click apps to see the list.

I also can't be the only one that hates clicking start or pressing the windows key and typing in "word" or something then have it taken a bazillion years to search the web, and have hit or miss results or whether it suggests the app or some shitty web results.

It's also counter intuitive to remove features that already exist. Like right clicking the start button for useful shortcuts. Or right clicking the task bar for other things like the task manager (which they ended up bringing back, surprisingly). They also removed moving the task bar. These are things that already existed. They removed them. They didn't need to rebuild them. They were deliberate.

Xanis ,

Looking forward to the sudden, definitely inexplicable, price increase of specific hardware at about the nine month mark.

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

I have an ancient PC with a nice video card, and it plays games from about five years ago quite well I haven’t felt a need to upgrade. Unfortunately, I play a couple games with kernel level anti-cheat stuff and I don’t think they will work with linux.

applepie ,

They will not but that is not a linux' fault, developer/owner/publisher made that choice.

IHeartBadCode ,
@IHeartBadCode@kbin.social avatar

What's wild is that one of the people who write anti-cheat software was saying they needed to get their shit working on Linux like yesterday.

So I mean, it crazy that Windows is literally having some folks scramble on how to get their shit working on Steam/Linux.

ricdeh ,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

I don't want that kind of anti-cheat on GNU/Linux. It is invasive to the point of being all-seeing spyware. If one cares so little about one's privacy and system integrity, one should go back to M$ Windows.

Randelung ,

and we still can't get vmware to run properly on our company laptops. current theory is p/e core scheduling shenanigans. it's only been two years, what can you expect from the global leaders in virtualization and os.

i swear, before i upgrade I'll move my team to Linux. I've been mainlining debian for six years without issues, INCLUDING RUNNING VMWARE.

Tinks ,

Who knows, by then Broadcom may drive VMware into the ground too, making the whole thing moot!

Randelung ,

we use vmware because customers do. if they migrate - which they might because of the licensing thing - we will too. so it's an actual possibility already.

fingers crossed!

bfg9k ,

Dude fuck VMWare honestly

I'd bet any money they will go under in a few years, nobody is deploying a new vmware system after the shit Broadcom pulled

Shape4985 ,
@Shape4985@lemmy.ml avatar

We recommend moving to linux eheh (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

h4lf8yte ,

I am using windows on my desktop mainly for gaming and with proton even that wouldn't be necessary but there are times when you need to execute a windows binary and it would take less time to just use windows. So after october 2025 I will try to use KVM with PCI passthrough. I imagine another advantage will be to not have windows accessing my hardware and be able to snapshot the drives plus running all the windows traffic about my vpn without relying on software inside windows.

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

It will be interesting to see how this impacts the market share lol.

cyberpunk007 ,

Probably not much, sadly.

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yeah, IMO the majority of people that can switch to Linux already have. The rest are locked in by software they need for their livelihood that only works on Windows. Ofc you can tell them about WINE, but that doesn't always work very well and is outside of the comfort zone for most people (including me, who's been using Ubuntu since 2016).

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

Jokes on them, over the last year or so I've installed Nobara, Mint & Xubuntu on every PC in my house.

So done with Windows.

AstralPath ,

The only thing holding me back from Linux (Nobara) is that my AxeFX's USB drivers don't seem to work. Losing the UI and USB recording capability is a huge deterrent.

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