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cccrontab ,

Fuck all corpo scum! Intuit, TurboTax and H&R Block can all fuck right off! Corporate lobbying motherfuckers can burn in hell.

pete_the_cat ,

I filed for free with H&R Block.

cheese_greater , (edited )

...And Now you can file for free without them

deweydecibel ,

And your financial information need never leave the IRS and be put in the hands of a private company.

Fedizen ,

a private company would never sell this data

pete_the_cat ,

I had to mail in my state taxes for NY due to NYC regulations, which I didn't know about since I've been using TurboTax for 7 years. I was only informed of this after I had filed my taxes federally using the IRS system. There is no way to just file your state taxes online, you have to do both and if you submit them a second time it just gets rejected.

It's good that they're doing this, but it caused a lot of headaches for me that I was unaware of.

ameancow ,

No no, some of us enjoy struggling through page after page of attempts to push premium products and services, and never mind that these "free file" options generally don't cover both state and federal. But hey, yay for H&R, they really need the business, right?

MedicPigBabySaver ,
@MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world avatar

I filed free with TT. But, will definitely plan on using the IRS system.

solsangraal ,

after h&r block wrecked my taxes and cost me months of back and forth with the IRS, i take every possible opportunity to steer people away from them

i sat there and had to repeatedly correct the ancient walking corpse they hired part time to do tax filing as she kept entering wrong numbers on the computer. who knows wtf they did after i left

fuck h&r block. after that bullshit experience, i signed on with an actual business accountant and never had a single fuckup in 10+ years

cccrontab ,

Yeah but now H&R has all your financial information. It's "free" but that doesn't mean there is no cost.

schwim ,
@schwim@lemm.ee avatar

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Allonzee ,

Our captured Gov't: You go to prison...unless you're very wealthy of course, this is America after all.

Then we're happy to negotiate, settle, reduce, and otherwise facilitate your repayment in a way that's convenient for you and your tax litigation team, sir!

lung ,
@lung@lemmy.world avatar

Old meme, but (1) you don't go to prison for making a mistake on your taxes in America — you have to do a big fraud (2) no, the government doesn't always know how much you owe, they only know stuff like domestic W2s and what banks file. There is a huge amount of ways to make income outside of that

ChapulinColorado ,

I’m guessing 50% of individuals would be covered by just those 2 methods. Other methods would quickly follow once people realize how the rest of the world does not cater to crazy and the ones they can legally bribe (“lobby”).

deweydecibel ,

It doesn't matter if 50% of people would be covered by the information that is submitted to the IRS, the point is the IRS does not know that. when you do your taxes, you are telling them that there's nothing else, but until you filed, they could not assume it.

And it isn't just about the lobbying, it's also just about conservatives in general. They do not want the government getting maximum tax income. They have crippled the IRS countless times over the last couple of decades, choking off their ability to ensure the government is getting the tax money it is owed. It doesn't matter what new methods could be employed to ensure that nobody ever had to file their own tax returns, the point is the IRS is not funded and staffed enough to manage that.

The IRS doesn't actually check most tax returns. They audit a certain number randomly every year, but they don't check them all. They can't with the resources they have available. They are taken on good faith for the majority of Americans every year because the IRS can't check the sheer scale of them in a timely manner. If something looks really off, so much so that it triggers something in the system, they'll take a look, but for the most part they're trusting the fear of an audit to keep people honest.

Keep in mind that the majority of the countries that you're referring to are dwarfed by the US. It is substantially more complicated and more expensive to manage federal income tax returns for all 50 states than it is for, say, Germany.

ChapulinColorado ,

I am aware of all of those points, the thing is people try to make excuses for why we can’t follow the rest of the world and expect some perfect solution day 1, which will just hold us back. Gotta start somewhere.

For the first point and point about audits, can still be handled as they are now, send people a w2 and bank reported prefilled form, ask them to add anything missing. Same as now, but less energy required to start or complete the task for most people. Kind of how most tax programs start your State income tax forms with the information entered in the federal one and what was declared the previous year which is already known and go from there.

Habahnow ,

I feel you're kinda talking past ChapulinColorado's comment. He's indicating that for many people they would should have a simple tax filing process where they don't receive money outside of what's reported to the IRS already. Many workers only have a W2 and use the standard deduction. They shouldn't have to pay a 3rd party to get their taxes done, and it shouldn't take them almost any time to file a return.

yes you're also right that people would still need to confirm what their income is (especially if its not reported to the IRS), but that doesn't apply to a large section of the US Population.

Blue_Morpho , (edited )

The IRS doesn't actually check most tax returns

That isn't true. They check all tax returns based on W2, 1099's and other documents they receive from corporations that paid you money.

An audit is completely different from the automatic checks that make sure every bank record of interest and stock sale lines up with what you claimed on taxes.

If you miss any stock sale or any reported income, you will get a computer generated letter from the IRS for the amount you owe. If you pay too much by accident, you will also get a computer generated check back from the IRS.

I make a mistake every few years and get a bill with fine or a check from the IRS. I no longer stressed about taxes because I know they will correct it for me in a few months anyway. The fine is small because I've luckily never made a big mistake. I've gotten back large checks for years I forgot I paid estimated taxes and overpaid my taxes.

deweydecibel , (edited )

I remember people saying that Lemmy was going to be better than Reddit, yet here we are, with idiotic memes sharing blatant falsehoods that pander to people who can't be bothered to think critically or actually learn anything. Upvoted straight to the top, not least of which because it's an image.

I miss old Reddit when, if people were going to say stupid shit, they actually had to take the time to type it.

DreadPirateShawn ,

Better vehicle, same people. 🤷🙂

Blue_Morpho , (edited )

What's the blatant falsehood? You are required to calculate taxes that the government largely already knows the answer. If you calculate wrong, you get a letter from the Government telling you where you were wrong which proves they knew the correct answers all along. If you don't pay that fine, the end result will be prison.

LifeOfChance ,

I don't like you.

Reddit has been the same since day one. You're just being dramatic. They had plenty of stupid and off the wall shit that went just as this has. You're being ridiculous old timer.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer ,

Step in the right direction either way. Hopefully this means they'll be capturing metrics on which parts of the process are the most complicated and improve those areas.

SexualPolytope ,
@SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Reminds me of my ex's tantrums.

Fedizen ,

*US Gov't

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

It's so weird to read a positive headline. :)

BedSharkPal ,

Right? Like what even is this feeling?

blanketswithsmallpox ,

Thanks Biden!

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

TurboTax for bankruptcy, LET'S GOOOOOOO!!!

Fedizen ,

Dark Brandon's war with TurboTax has only just begun...

Fredselfish ,
@Fredselfish@lemmy.world avatar

Wait asking the states to allow this? Great means all the red states like the one I am stuck in will opt out fucking us over.

buddascrayon ,

Don't fool yourself, there's a lot of Democrats in the pocket of the tax prep lobby.

GiveMemes ,

Usually they ask politely at first then 'ask' by threatening to pull interstate funding. (MADD or Common Core, for example)

root ,

The states probably need to opt in for state income tax filing or data. Red states typically don't have income taxes and wouldn't need this to begin with.

Fredselfish ,
@Fredselfish@lemmy.world avatar

Oklahoma takes state taxes.

BigBenis ,

It's kinda wild to see things moving in the right direction for once...

yokonzo ,

Right? I almost can't totally believe it, I'm not sure if I should

Blue_Morpho ,

It's almost like, I don't know, Biden is helping. But both sides bad, amirite?

Shyfer ,

I would say helping perpetrate a genocide slightly outweighs making filing taxes a little easier. It's a very, "He makes the trains run on time" sentiment.

Although I do like it. We've been due this for a long time. I wonder if Turbo Tax is freaking out.

paf0 ,

Yes, both sides bad, but Biden less bad. Making government easy to work with should be the bare minimum. We don't have to throw them a parade every time they do something sane, they work for us.

Zier ,
@Zier@fedia.io avatar

Cool. Now do Health Care!

CoggyMcFee ,

Vote more Democrats into Congress

K1nsey6 ,
@K1nsey6@lemmy.world avatar

If a bullet proof dem super majority state like California wont do it, they sure as fuck wont do it on a national level

TexMexBazooka ,

Kind of a chicken or the egg thing, state level reforms can only do so much

K1nsey6 ,
@K1nsey6@lemmy.world avatar

3 times universal healthcare has come up in the state legislature and their own party killed it

TexMexBazooka ,

Ahhh, America

themurphy ,

That's typically the start of any big law change. It almost always come up a few times in various iterations before being decided.

And I'm sure it will give California some trouble if all neighbour states doesn't offer healthcare. So maybe it needs to come from the top?

Salix ,

I don't think California would be able to handle the influx of people moving to California if they do pass universal healthcare. As a State, they don't have as much funding as a Federal program would have.

Dreizehn ,
@Dreizehn@kbin.social avatar

Carry on IRS, I would have zero issues using their tax return service. I'm certain the corporate tax return lobbyist are working overtime to prevent this.

Glent ,

Republicans will sue for them in a district they can judge shop

themurphy ,

Imagine having a political party that deliberately tries to make everything worse for the people in broad daylight. And you can't do shit about it, because you live in a two party system.

Yay. :)

Tronn4 ,

Any takers on what party of small government will try to dismantle this?

barsquid ,

You want a Biden TAX PANEL to decide if your grandmother has to pay or not? We will defend your right to choose the tax prep service of your choice!

Fedizen ,

"Tax preparer vouchers!" GOP, soon

khannie , (edited )
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

Dearest American friends,

I'm happy for you. Given your tax system this seems like a really positive step forward.

I hope it makes your lives better.

themurphy ,

Wild to read how the US tax system works when you're used to the EU.

Maybe one day you'll also get automatic tax filling without lifting a finger.

EvilEyedPanda ,

Then how would you arbitrarily fine your citizens?

Grippler ,

Calling taxes a fine is about the most american thing ever...

herrvogel ,

I think what they meant was forcing people to do it all by hand invites mistakes, which are then fined.

EvilEyedPanda ,

Yes, or pay someone to do it.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Happened to my dad once in Canada.

He missed a savings/checking account which earned some interest. CRA knows about these as the bank sends it to them.

They made a big deal about hiding it and fined him with interest.

It's totally stupid.

snownyte ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

Fuck you Intuit. Ha, what're you going to do now? Sue the IRS?

Narrator: They will try.

QuarterSwede ,
@QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

Oh absolutely. In the next week or so I’m sure that’ll be a headline.

ColeSloth ,

Inuit lost like 16% this past week. That's a $113 drop per share for em.

Sam_Bass , (edited )

My last attempt at efiling went real well right up to the efile step at which point the online service used demanded 17.00 for the priviledge. Ended up downloading, printing, and mailing it in.

TexMexBazooka ,

That’s a petty thing to get upset about all things considered.

Sam_Bass ,

Hey if they advertise free efile then they damn well better deliver free efile

TexMexBazooka ,

Yaknow that’s fair.

What were you filing just like basic W2’s or did you have a 1099 and a bunch of deductions?

Sam_Bass , (edited )

Doesnt matter, mr.shill, dont do what you advertise you do, you are crooked. Failing to stipulate charges for anything beyond basics makes you a worse crook

TexMexBazooka ,

I’m not shilling I’m asking for context. I agree with you, why you gotta be so combative?

Sam_Bass ,

Moi? Combative? Aux contraire, senior. I just believe in advertising truth, not the bait n switch they tried to foist on me. Even if the fee was a penny, it should have been laid out at the start to allow me, the consumer, the common decency of accepting it rather than having it demanded of me to proceed.

Sam_Bass ,

And yes i had a 1099R, and a 1099B to add to the mix but nothing was said by way of cost to add before or after. Possibly could be buried in their lessthanobvious TOS dunno didnt look

n0cturnali ,
@n0cturnali@lemmy.world avatar

Does this include state taxes?

Moobythegoldensock ,

The agency also is inviting all states with a state income tax to sign up and help people file their state returns for free. During the 2024 pilot, tax agencies in Arizona, Massachusetts, California and New York helped people directly file their state taxes.

Agrivar ,

I live in Massachusetts and I used the IRS free file service this year, for both state and federal taxes. It was a very painless process, and I had my federal refund in my bank account in less than ten days!! It really works.

Furbag ,

I signed up to do the free IRS filing but got rejected unfortunately because I had entered into a domestic partnership which made me ineligible. Not really sure why since I was filing single anyway but oh well, this is good news and I can't wait to try it next year.

mosiacmango , (edited )

The test was limited to make sure the core fundamentals worked. Your situation is an "edge case," i.e an unlikely situation that makes things much harder to code.

It sounds like they cut you out to make sure the product worked, and will now be on working "edge cases," by far the hardest part of any computer engineering.

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