Welcome to Incremental Social! Learn more about this project here!
Check out lemmyverse to find more communities to join from here!

PanArab , (edited )

The rise of China is democratizing access to technology. My home government, supposedly a longtime partner of the US even doing its dirty work in Yemen, has struggled for years to get any tech transfer deal with the US, too many hoops to jump through. But were able to get many tech transfers from China recently. It was a major win and that technology includes solar panel manufacturing.

AngryCommieKender ,

Too many hoops, like stop funding the terrorist groups that attacked The US on 9/11? Yeah, I can see how MBS might have some trust issues coming from The US.

PanArab , (edited )

Funny you accuse the Saudi government of what was an inside-job. The Saudi government exiled Bin Laden in the 1990s, revoking his citizenship, while the US was still working with him. Either way we don’t need it from you. China is making you irrelevant. You can’t withhold technology to bully the rest of the world. You can go pound sand.

Also funny coming from a nation where a genocidal maniac is the lesser evil, someone who is bypassing Congress to send weapons to Israel and bomb Yemen. You keep your electoralism, and I am keeping our free healthcare, free universities and high speed rail.

FYI, the US is guilty of multiple war crimes in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. They are guilty right now of war crimes in Palestine. It is really tiring how you pretend to be the good guys. You are Homelander not Superman, and you are no longer the only player in town.

Sarmyth ,

Bro... the current leadership of China committed genocide on their own soil and have been attempting to expand their borders for decades.

China is not a good partner for playing the lesser of 2 evils game. You'd be at it all day with the whataboutism.

PanArab ,

Bro the US wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for genocide and slavery. The US right now occupies oil fields in Iraq and Syria and is stealing the oil. The US right now is sending weapons to Israel to massacre Palestinians. No one cares about your virtue signaling.

China is a much lesser evil. They don’t try to push us to normalize with genocidal maniacs (Zionist usurpers) as a precondition for even the most basic of technologies.

If you think China is so bad just compare the policing of Hong Kong protests with the policing of George Floyd protests. The emperor has no clothes.

FYI: the US is also expanding https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-22/us-claims-huge-chunk-of-seabed-amid-strategic-push-for-resources and it is also helping Israel annex Syrian and Palestinian lands.

Sarmyth ,

Yeah, we know. But again.... the whataboutism. Countries exist because of war and oppression. It's time to move past that as an excuse.

This is a joke, though, as you are just projecting and doing what you've accused me of. Just don't bother. Rounding up and sterilizing your citizens. And China famously gunned protesters down in the streets. So I don't want to hear about how we handle protesters compared to China.

Crudely6553 ,

What about USA this, what about USA that. What about the assassination of Kashoggi? What about the killings of innocents for protesting in the Arab states?

PanArab ,

If you are bringing up journalists then you should care about Palestinian journalists being slaughtered by US weapons

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/gaza-un-experts-condemn-killing-and-silencing-journalists

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-war-in-gaza-has-been-deadly-for-journalists

cheesorist ,

still better than the us

AngryCommieKender ,

Shit were guilty of war crimes inside the US. Tell me something I don't know.

Thing is our government occasionally fucks up and does some good shit. MBS, and Ji Jinpooh don't give two fucks about their own people or any others.

MBS is still funding terrorist groups 24 years later, and murdering journalists.

The US Government may be a soulless corporate structure bent on enriching itself. MBS is a parochial dictator that is just pissed off we don't need his dino juice anymore.

Crudely6553 ,

Grow up. Your bias is shining too strongly.

yesman ,

Democracy and technology? You're thinking of Taiwan.

PanArab ,

Which is a part of China according to even the US

fruitycoder ,

Except in any defacto way, mainland has 0 control on the rule of law in Taiwan. They have their own taxes, military, laws, elections, etc, and again pay no taxes, follow no laws, they don't partipate in mainlands gov, and don't serve in their military.

There is even some international recognition, but mainland does it's best to hinder their diplomatic missions.

PanArab ,

ربي يعطيك على قد نيتك

Crudely6553 ,

Taiwan is an independent and democratic country, unlike the totalitarian and pseudo-communist state that is China.

ipkpjersi ,

Well, someone has to make use of renewable energy I guess lol

trackcharlie ,

Cool.

And how many of them function properly?

kattenluik ,

Probably every single one of them, but I'm guessing you just feel insecure about your country?

Disinfect056 ,

Yea.... Hahaha they are chineese panels lol

LowtierComputer ,

Many of the panels in the US are manufactured in China.

trackcharlie ,

I was more referencing the fact that there's a significant problem in china with the misappropriation of funds and replacing of real components and equipment with fake or non-functioning components and equipment.

US has regulatory bodies that (sometimes) work on their own, China has regulatory bodies that only work when the state notices something is wrong, and by that time it's too late and several billion yuan (RMB) deep.

It's not as though there's an intended malevolence to the people by the CCP, it's just that their organization structure and manner doesn't allow for a lot of autonomy and requires direct orders to go into action.

trackcharlie ,

I doubt it, I've no interest in discussing the matter with someone who clearly doesn't keep up to date on architectural issues within the mainland.

傻瓜

Disinfect056 ,

Hahahhaa the correct comment! Lol

psychothumbs ,

Fantastic. Remember guys, we're all on the same side on this one. This should be a signal for the US to get its ass in gear to do the same, but it's not like China expanding its renewable energy capacity is anything but great for everyone.

randon31415 ,

Building giant empty cities in the middle of nowhere doesn't help the housing crisis in China.

Building giant solar and wind farms in the middle of nowhere does help with the pollution crisis.

Glad that they finally found something that uses dumping money in the middle of nowhere that can actually improve peoples lives instead of just prop up an economic bubble.

EmergMemeHologram ,

Oh my God, that's awful!

I hope the US responds by installing more solar panels this year than China ever has!

Wogi ,

Let's install solar panels on the moon! That'll fucking show them. Beam the energy back to earth with giant fucking microwave dishes. Ohhh that would really piss off them damn reds

JasonDJ , (edited )

Until it’s a new moon…

Actually that raises an interesting point…the best time for solar, on earth, is when the panels are most directly hit.

So since the moon is tidally locked to the earth, that means that there would be better ideal tilts at each longitude, so that whenever the sun is out, they are tilted to receive as much light as possible. But that also means that the panels only even receive light for half of the lunar cycle, at most.

Right? Am I overthinking this?

Wogi ,

There are craters towards the poles that receive sunlight all the time. But you'd still have to build extra panels for the lunar cycle. Equatorial stations might be better, and if you built 3, 2 would be in direct sunlight almost all the time.

Which is fine! Gives you time to do maintenance without any additional losses.

JasonDJ , (edited )

Not really…you don’t want to be out doing maintenance at lunar night. We’d have to have some serious improvement in EVA suits, mechsuits, or robots.

There’s a reason every Apollo mission landed at lunar dawn.

Wogi ,

That's it. We'll need to invent sun lamps. Lamps bright and hot enough to illuminate and warm the Martian surface at night, to enable maintenance.

prole ,
@prole@sh.itjust.works avatar

We can do it, not because it's easy, but because it is hard.

Wait what? That's an awful reason to do something.

Wogi ,

Doing the hard thing is a learning experience.

Spazz ,

We'd have more if these right wing assholes would get onboard. You know they're assholes because they're attacking China in the comments rather than acknowledging this awesome milestone

Skkorm ,

China's govt has been trying to make their country as self sustaining as possible, this is part of that initiative. No one can tell you shit if you're don't rely on anyone for external things.

SparrowRanjitScaur ,

Ya, it makes sense considering China imports 2/3 of their oil. Solar and EVs make a lot of sense when you don't have much in the way of fossil fuels. Not even considering the environmental benefits

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

China doesn't have oil and they want to be energy independent. Because of this they heavily invest in renewables.

It's not like they are doing it to save the planet, but it does save the planet.

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • •
  • random
  • technology@lemmy.world
  • incremental_games
  • meta
  • All magazines
    •