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UltraMagnus0001 ,

The information on Facebook was already used to sway elections. Cambridge Analytica

werefreeatlast ,

LOL, it's time to come up with fart jokes. Everyone should just communicate using fart jokes until meta bans fart jokes. Then just move on to the other words...tits, penis, butt, poop, toilet, etc etc.

I'm sure Facebook will go tits up! Specially if everyone's tits are hard pressed on the issue. Yeah this is totally tits dude! Well tits my ass and call me honky! Tits the season to be weary fallalala la la la laaah!

Muehe ,

Now? Want?!

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

They should just shell out 5 billion and buy reddit

dyslexicdainbroner ,

This should be interesting - AI trained by bots…

crypticthree ,

Everyone. Start posting shit written by chatGPT. Accelerate the model collapse.

TheFriar ,

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Mojojojo1993 ,

Oh no not my fb and insta.

Oh wait. I don't have that trash.

Carry on

webghost0101 ,

Congrats, Lemmy is usually a vocal critic against those that "only care about issues when they affect them personally" but you managed to get upvotes.

I am not holding it against you, bias is human but it is something some of us should reflect about.

Mojojojo1993 ,

Sorry I don't grasp your comment. Can you elaborate

webghost0101 ,

Theses usually a variation of this that makes it to all once a week.

https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/11663694

your reasoning does fit the spitit of this list. You dont care because its not your data.To be clear, i am not faulting you for having that opinion even while i personally disagree, i am trying to speak out about a rather noticeable case of double standards within the community.

Mojojojo1993 ,

What community?

webghost0101 , (edited )

Right, this can get confusing. I’ll give t a go.

Lemmy.world is the community you are a part off, its also the community the meme example i shared on.

A community is not the same as a subreddit but as a tiny full reddit. Its run by admins who set rules and standards for the entire server they own and with tends to come sort of ideology. When you go to lemmy by default you will see the frontpage of your community only.

@memes, @technology within a community are call places but i don't like that naming. They are like a subreddit and i find they actually have the strongest community feeling and guarded ideologies. They are much smaller so if you see double standards within one of those its usually a sign of an echo chamber. This was not such a case.

Theres also the fediverse. Which is all lemmy and related servers that are federated. This is the bigger lemmy community that curates what gets to the front page of “all” because most of lemmy is progressive and safe for minorities other communities servers that openly welcome nazis and c-abusers have been defederated so they can no longer see or interact with eachother. If you both comment on the post on a neutral server then you wont even see eachother comments

Its very likely that at least one of the
People upvoting you saw that meme 2 days earlier and thought “yeah they only care when they are affected, which is obviously wrong and i would never do it” simultaneously id expect people who felt really strong about that meme to be perceptive enough to recognize it in your comment and downvote it. (No offense) but because it was about Facebook, many peopl on lemmy dont have facebook. We all passionately hate it. You basically got people agreeing against their own ideology, which is again normal but does weaken that ideology.

Progressives like me should strive to care against that are wrong no matter if its us or someone else.
I am not from ukraine or palestine, i dont have family or friends there but i know people are suffering and i want a better world for them, likeways i want the boomer population on facebook to have a better world where there data isn’t routinely stolen by
Bigtech.

Mojojojo1993 ,

That is a lot of thinking. It's interesting you mentioned echo chamber then go on to describe an echo chamber. Nobody on any subreddit lemmy nor community all have the same thoughts and feelings.

So there shouldn't be a single idea. That's not a good thing. For humanity to work, discourse is required.

Single ideologies that are narrow and never wavering are pretty bad news.

See example Nazi Germany.

webghost0101 , (edited )

Exactly, there is nothing wrong with your opinion or stance, i am raising awareness to a particularly subgroup of people that needed it. Cause i saw signals that they where around.

I kinda wish there was a way to comment without
Having to bother you in the process.

Rereading the chain i should have worded it better to not sound so assuming that you where present at “yesterday’s meme rally” . Bias on my part. Excuzedmoi

I cant see the up/downvote ratio but i still expect many people here are hypocrites.

Mojojojo1993 ,

What signs ? I don't mind being bothered. Why I wanted clarification. I am/ was under the impression it's an internet forum and there's no mob mentality.

I think you are potentially overthinking a comment on a meme bit who knows.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

webghost0101 ,

The statistical majority appeared to hold an opinion of "Republicans are evil because they only care when issues affect them" otherwise the meme wouldn't have gotten so big.
Yet the ratio on your comment tells a completely different story. I find it hard to comprehend unless bias.

I have an autistic tendency to observe intense patterns from very small details and i am math nerd. I am almost certainly partly overthinking it.

Thanks for having patience, have a nice day aswell.

Mojojojo1993 ,

I had a niggly feeling that you may have a brain that was analyzing for a pattern. Makes sense.

I'm sure there are plenty of anomalies within the community. And as you previously pointed out there will be a lot of hypocrites.

Much easier to flip flop online than it is the real world. Nobody to call you out. I think there are a whole heap of variables that aren't captured when viewing things online.

People do not act "typical"
Therefore a lot of research is flawed because it expects a degree of normalcy that is skewed when viewed online.

That's just my thoughts on the matter. I am not a math nerd but background in psychology and behavioral job currently

Gsus4 , (edited )
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

The people still back on the matrix major platforms still do things that affect you indirectly like voting, buying things that shape everyone's market, or having their cognitive biases explored, listed and exploited in ways that yours may also be by pr firms.

Mojojojo1993 ,

Yeah I suppose that's pretty fair.

My only defense I suppose is that regardless of their data being harvested. They vote against their own interests.

They have been warned for decades that their data was being harvested. They did not listen because they do not care. They do not vote for things that would improve my life. So even if the statement is correct.

It does not change the outcome.
People will vote for what they want.
We are not altruistic.

We should be. As things that improve others will inherently impact us. As voting for selfish reasons will folly us all the same.

BetaDoggo_ ,

It's not private data if you publish it online.

They already had this data, I'm not sure why anyone cares about what they're doing with it now. It's not any worse than selling it outright.

xor ,

i wonder what chat gpt would be like if trained on only and all private messages...

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

Those adorable baby photos you posted for your friends and family? Sorry, they’re Meta’s now.

You literally gave them to Meta. You uploaded them to Meta after agreeing to Meta's terms of service, which essentially say "we can do what we want with the stuff you give us." Big Bad Meta isn't sneaking into your houses and stealing photos off of your nightstand, they're not "seizing" anything.

Also, Meta's AI "pipe dream" has so far been very successful. Their open-source libraries and LLaMA models have become industry standards. Their future work is likely to be productive.

guacupado ,

Yeah it's really wild the way everyone keeps trying to say that Meta is failing and falling apart or whatever. Meta's doing better than it's ever been.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

Social media loves to have targets that "everyone agrees" are terrible and worthy of hating. Being part of a righteously angry mob is fun, gives a nice safe dopamine hit and lets you show you are part of the in-group.

Which isn't to say that Meta is innocent and Zuckerberg is a poor victim, of course. But it does mean that it's very easy to go overboard and believe false accusations that also fit with the narrative that Meta is terrible and awful and evil. There was a post a couple of weeks ago about Threads and the narrative in that conversation was that Meta was dedicated to eradicating open source (Embrace Extend Extinguish, think of XMPP!). I tried pointing out Meta's many contributions to open source but redirecting the mob was hopeless. Sure, the motives of these contributions are selfish. They want to crush their enemies. But in this case their enemies are OpenAI and Microsoft, and the weapon they're using is to fling open the walled gardens OpenAI depends on for the common man to enjoy.

It's a useful cautionary tale to keep in mind whenever there's a target that everyone around you hates because they're "obviously" the devil. Maybe they are, but it's likely more complicated than it seems.

LainTrain ,

It's very impressive to me that 7B LLaMA actually says anything coherent if it was trained with FB data instead of suggesting that the best way to slice strings is with a bleach enema and some essential oils...

chemicalwonka ,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

the lizard king needs more data offerings to create his AI to learn to be more "human"

Garbanzo ,

You just have to make a post on your Facebook profile saying that you don't consent and that you retain all rights. Bonus points for working in some sovcit stuff.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

If your fingers are crossed when you check the "I Agree" box on their TOS then the terms are legally reversed and you control Meta's content rather than the other way around. It's in the Magna Carta.

Bishma ,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The worst part is that I haven't had an account on any of their products in well over a decade, and yet I'm sure that they'll be able to use tons of my up-to-date info in their training.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

How are they getting that up-to-date info?

HowManyNimons ,

My phone can't uninstall Facebook.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

Then he does have an account on their products.

Bishma ,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar
  • Virtually every app on your phone has facebook/instagram trackers that gets access to whatever data that app has access to
  • Their ad network (that runs broadly across the internet) is not only known to fingerprint everyone that sees an ad. They've pioneered new was of keeping track of you even if your browser fingerprint changes.
  • Facebook (and one assumes Threads/Instagram) create ghost profiles of everyone mentioned or photographed in any posts on their platform if they can't link that mined data to an actual account. So if your friends use the platform, then you do too, whether you know it or not.
  • Cambridge Analytica is probably not the only company doing that stuff, they're just the ones that got caught.

That's not an exhaustive list, mind you.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

A quick Googling of "phones without Facebook" gives lots of options.

Facebook (and one assumes Threads/Instagram) create ghost profiles of everyone mentioned or photographed in any posts on their platform if they can’t link that mined data to an actual account. So if your friends use the platform, then you do too, whether you know it or not.

This would be Facebook using your friends' data. It happens to be about you, but it's not yours.

I'm not saying people shouldn't care about privacy or take actions to protect it, but I think it's possible to go overboard in believing that nobody is allowed to know anything about you without your permission. There's a lot of public information that's available to anyone simply by being in public.

If you don't want your friends telling people about you, that's on you to tell your friends that. If your friends refuse to keep your existence secret then you'll have to decide whether that's more important to you than having friends.

CaptPretentious ,

Probably. Guaranteed you have a shadow account in the very least.

betterdeadthanreddit ,

They think they do but they don't. They really, really don't.

guyinachair ,

Somehow people still don't understand when a service is free. You're the product

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

He says, on a free service.

guyinachair ,

I understand the irony 😅

demonsword ,
@demonsword@lemmy.world avatar

He says, on a free service.

I make a monthly donation to the folks running mastodon.world (they also run lemmy.world). Yeah it's free but you can and should contribute sometimes to keep it that way.

robotica ,

There's something funny about the phrase "paying for stuff so that it stays free"

LainTrain ,

Open source doesn't really count, especially with Lemmy where you just can host it yourself and there's no way for anyone to harvest your data really

Death_Equity ,

They don't understand what being the product means because they don't understand why their data being sold off is a problem because they don't understand why their data is valuable.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

It's already in all the service agreements that you click on when you sign up. They've already been harvesting data. They already have the right to use your posts and pictures for whatever they want

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

This relies on a zero-sum view of the world, which is unfortunately common but isn't necessarily so.

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