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progettarsi , (edited )

WE DON'T FUCKING CARE THAT YOU'RE USING LINUX

optissima ,
@optissima@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah but we care that youre not.

kense ,

Why u're caring?

optissima ,
@optissima@lemmy.world avatar

Because they're the ones that constantly make a fuss and are overall holding back the computing world by supporting a malicious organization that has a choke hold.

DreitonLullaby ,

The people saying to switch to Linux are half-joking, half-serious. Sometimes we can be a little too pushy by bringing up "just switch to Linux" too often, but usually we have good intentions for at least trying to encourage the switch, and it often-times does come from a place of care.

Coreidan ,

It’s a good way of being written off so no one listens to you

progettarsi ,

i care about software i use that aren't on linux and never will be

moon ,

Sir, may I offer you the holy scriptures that are the Arch wiki?

progettarsi ,

NO PLEASE GO AWAY PLEASE ok so now that i installed manjaro, where to buy funny socks?

Rooter ,

As someone who uses windows to produce music, bloat is a huge issue, latencymon Is a great tool to check for programs and drivers that can cause audio dropouts.

And win 11 has been great, didn't have to change much to get it to work. I tried several forms of Linux and it was too slow, driver issues, and plugins that were impossible to get working.

Win 10 was bad, but 7 was worse.

MeanEYE ,
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Driver issues aside, have you played with JACK on RTOS kernel?

Balinares ,

JACK is very cool and if you're willing to tinker there's some really awesome stuff that can be done with LADISH session management and e.g. native Linux VSTs.

It's still a non-option for musicians who just want to do music, not tinkering.

MeanEYE ,
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I was mostly referring to the latency. RTOS kernel prioritizes timing over performance, so it should be right up your alley when it comes to music handling. I know it has been used in some instruments and mixers.

Jack is kind of iffy to tinker around I agree, however PipeWire, which is these days standard on up to date distributions should handle latency much much better without any great need for tinkering as it supports all the interfaces of Jack, PulseAudio and others. So you can just use whichever application you want and you get low latency backend regardless.

Things are improving at a rather fast pace in Linux world and even giving developers feedback is a useful contribution.

Balinares ,

Thank you! I know all these things. This still doesn't help when the DAW support and VST compatibility aren't there.

If you're intent on doing music production on Linux, at least do yourself a favor and get a Reaper license, there are few enough pro DAWs that are Linux native. But be aware that many of the big industry VSTs are still not going to work. If you're fine sticking to e.g. ZynAddSubFX or Pianoteq, though, knock yourself out.

But you can't reasonably expect musicians to jump those hoops and abandon their fav VSTs when their Windows tooling is there, and works.

MeanEYE ,
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Am not expecting anything. Am just wondering how people in the industry are fairing with recent changes.

Rooter ,

No, but it hardly matters, since most of my plugins won't work on linux.

ndondo ,

It really is a shame that music production is so painful in Linux. All I need to make the final switch

kalkulat ,
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After leaving Macs (and Logic) (Apple software great, Apple iMac shit) switched to LInux over 10 years ago. Haven't made music since (hardware in boxes). Fully learned that Linux music ain't got that swing.

I recently heard that newer PipeWire has improved things a quite a lot. Haven't tried it yet ... not sure I remember how to play any instruments any more.

polle ,

You could try bitwig, the daw is really good and has a native linux client for years.

kalkulat ,
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Ya know ... I'll just give that a close hard look. Thanks!

banneryear1868 ,

As someone who uses windows to produce music

Exactly and some other media/creative stuff as well. Windows is the only way to run Ableton with full VST support on my own hardware. Then if I'm going to need a Windows workstation anyway, I might as well use it for gaming too, and lump in all my other "power station" uses. It's sometimes frustrating when you mention this and people who aren't familiar with these programs to try to debate you or assume you haven't entertained the alternatives. In my case I run Linux on my laptop and servers, and even some of my instruments like the monome norns and m8 are rpi based. Real time audio synthesis on linux is actually amazing, PureData and Supercollider are the ones I'm somewhat familiar with.

Rooter ,

Yeah but slightly lower latency is irrelevant really, windows based can get lower than 2ms now. And it just works.

banneryear1868 ,

Yeah and in those linux examples its not really latency that's important, plus those things run on Windows too. The Monome Norns is a raspberry pi shield with a linux platform and development community around it, where people write scripts to turn it in to all manner of musical devices. When it comes to a full DAW with VST support it's basically OSX or Windows, and if you don't want to be restricted to Apple hardware then congrats, you're using Windows.

Blackmist ,

I've no idea what MS are even doing with all this shit.

I'm like 95% sure I had an AI icon in the search bar yesterday, and today it's a briefcase. 🤷

lunachocken ,

I guess for some reason it decided to pack up

KrokanteBamischijf ,

I have no idea why they're even remotely interested in Windows as a product anymore. Surely they can't expect that much revenue from integrated AI services when most of the general public's needs can be covered by web services that will severely outmatch Microsoft's development speed (y'know because of juggling legacy code and all).

Considering the fact that they gain most of their revenue by far from their Azure cloud services and enterprise customers, it just seems like a stupid business decision to invest this much into all kinds of random features for their desktop OS aimed at consumers.

In proper systems architectecture theory, we generally try to avoid mixing up functionality this much because a modular design allows your system to evolve without too much pain. Why build all this crap into Windows when you can just opt-in by installing an application for it?

I really don't get it...

PriorityMotif ,
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They make a lot off of business licencing. They still push the consumer and education side in order to create familiarity.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/30/24055445/microsoft-q2-2024-earnings-revenue-profits-windows-xbox-gaming-surface

"Gaming contributed $7.11 billion in revenue for the quarter, more than the $5.26 billion from Windows, but behind the $13.47 billion from Office and cloud services and the giant $23.95 billion from server products and cloud services."

Facebones ,

I've never had any major issues with windows and I can strip out what I don't like, so whatevs. I like Linux, but gaming, so I roll with windows.

Windows Server on the other hand, fuck that noise. Ugh.

averyfalken ,

Gamings gotten pretty good with linux. I made the switcheroo when windows forced an update that undid a lot of my changes to windows AGAIN and I was like evwrytime they do this I have to take time to finish this and was pissed.

All games I play work on Linux no problem and all the games I've been interested since then have worked day 1; but of course I've always taken issue with games that have kernel level anticheats.

NaoPb ,

Can you imagine installing Windows and having to install 10 seperate programs just to fix all the issues with it?

GlitchZero ,

Every day with Windows is like this. It’s a fucking nightmare. I don’t know what else to do.

lukstru ,

Install linux :)

YodaDaCoda ,

I tried installing Linux on the new work laptop yesterday.

The keyboard wasn't recognised. The fucking keyboard.

Apparently it's fixed in kernel 6.6 but nothing has that yet coz they're all using the earlier LTS

nutsack ,

i didn't even have to scroll to find the first instance of this comment

DreitonLullaby ,

Truly Truly, I say unto you, install Linux; it's what you really must do.

https://linuxmint.com/

GlitchZero ,

I have a few games that don’t run on Steam. How big of a pain is it to get them running?

This is like 50-70% of my PC usage.

lukstru ,

You can search on e.g. Lutris if the game is supported. It's usually just a one button install

GlitchZero ,

Thanks. Looks like it’s all Wine wrappers. 🫤

nolight ,

It is not uncommon to find "Wine wrappers" to actually work better than on Windows itself.

averyfalken ,

Fairly easy with something like lutris or the heroic game launcher if said games are on gig amazon gaming or epic

GlitchZero ,

No, they have their own launchers.

DreitonLullaby ,

I game on Linux and mainly play games bought from GOG. Both GOG and Epic games are extremely easy to get working, and are as simple as downloading Heroic Games Launcher, signing into GOG and/or Epic, and choosing the game you want to download from your library. While it is possible to use the official GOG Galaxy client with Lutris and WINE, I personally don't recommend it, as it's quite a glitchy and laggy experience, and is only done by people who can't live without GOG achievements. For GOG.. just use Heroic. It's just as easy to use as the official Galaxy client is on Windows and also supports cloud-saves.

I've never used Amazon, but Heroic also recently added downloading your Amazon Prime games as an option, which I imagine is just as easy to get working as GOG and Epic Games already are.

This part isn't necessary, but if you want to play those games but launch them from Steam, you can add each game individually to Steam as a non-steam game through the Lutris or Heroic Games' interface. A handy app I recommend, which I never hear people mention, is BoilR, which automatically adds all of your non-steam games in bulk into your Steam Library.

As for the EA App and Ubisoft Connect, I ditched them over a year ago due to not wanting to support the companies (same with Epic). I honestly don't remember what the process was exactly for those launchers, but I do remember it was very easy to set up in Lutris.

Lastly, I've never used Battle.net either, but I've heard it's quite easy to set up in Lutris.

BearOfaTime ,

Right, right. Smh

Onenote, publisher, CAD. Excel (and don't give me open/libre can do it, no they can't. They are marginally compatible).

And a laundry list more of the issues trying to replace windows with Linux on the desktop.

If you work by yourself and don't share docs, yea, could probably work. I need to trust that what I send is what people see.

Try to open an excel workbook with tables on open/libre and see what happens.

BluesF ,

Specialist software in general is patchy at best. There are often FOSS alternatives... But in the same way they aren't compatible with what other people are using.

trslim ,

Truly the Bethesda of operating systems.

lud ,

What changed in windows 10? Mine looks the same as before.

ILikeBoobies ,

Per the article they are rolling out bing’s ai search

Follow up to Microsoft saying all their keyboards will need/include an ai hotkey button to bring up the ai search

lud ,

For fuck sake Microsoft.

At least I disabled the web search in the search bar long ago. I think I disabled it because of a bug that messed up search.

sleepmode ,

The option to install Opera should be removed.

PriorityMotif ,
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https://atlasos.net/

https://revi.cc/

Tiny 11

nutsack ,

just use linux lmao

did i type this right? are you going to upvote my comment

StopSpazzing ,
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It's called WinPilot now.

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