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synapse1278 , to Technology in YouTube has now begun skipping videos altogether for users with ad blockers
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The only way I can keep watching YouTube is with Smart Tube, uBlock and SponsorBlock. Donating 1€ to a content creator is equivalent to watch hundreds of hours worth of ads, so I prefer to do that when I can.

ohwhatfollyisman , to Technology in YouTube has now begun skipping videos altogether for users with ad blockers

plot twist: youtube has stopped showing videos altogether, so ad blockers hide the only thing they show instead.

Reality_Suit , to Technology in YouTube has now begun skipping videos altogether for users with ad blockers

We need a publicly funded video hosting service like PBS.

chiisana ,
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Good luck getting that through the system… the cost to run something like YouTube is… well, let’s just say the lack of real competitions speaks volumes.

emptyother ,
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The biggest drain is the copyright fights, I'm guessing. Defending against and pleasing every big company with an interest.

chiisana ,
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That’s a drop in the pond in the grand scheme of things. You just out source that out to rights management companies and absolve yourself from that obligation behind safe harbour. This is basically what they’re doing in this department. They’ve built Content ID for digital finger printing, and then invented an entire market for rights management companies on both sides of the equation.

On the other hand, 500 hours of video footage got uploaded to YouTube every minute per YouTube in 2022 (pdf warning). 30 minutes of video game content (compresses better), just the 720p variant using avc1 codec is about 443MB of space. Never mind all the other transcodes or higher bitrates. So say 800MB per hour of 720p content; 500 hours of content per minute means 400GB of disk space requirement, per minute; 500TB of disk space per day.

That’s just video uploaded to YouTube. I don’t even know how much is being watched regularly, but even if we assume at least one view per video, that’s 500TB of bandwidth in and then 500TB of bandwidth out per day.

Good luck scaling that on public budget.

c10l , to homeassistant in Matter 1.3 is here to help get your smart home energy usage under control

I got a couple of PM plugs with Matter support. I can’t pair them with HomeKit or Home Assistant. I spent about 5h troubleshooting this, inspecting network packets and whatnot and didn’t get any closer to having them working.

I’d rather things just had MQTT support. Happy with Zigbee though, as I can route those to MQTT as well.

claude_flammang ,

@c10l EVE’s Energy have been providing energy metering under Matter for the last few months.

Ok, it was a HA specific solution.

APassenger OP ,

I got a few smart plugs with matter. They paired nicely with HA, but surprised me by falling into their app anyhow.

But they work. Those are Kasa/tp-link.

What're yours?

c10l ,
bazcurtis ,
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@c10l @homeassistant These have been rock solid for me. I am not sure how to see the energy being used.

AtariDump , to homeassistant in Matter 1.3 is here to help get your smart home energy usage under control

This is great (seriously).

What remains to be seen is how long it takes between announcement and update of Matter devices.

avidamoeba , to homeassistant in Matter 1.3 is here to help get your smart home energy usage under control
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Not sure what I'd like to automate first, my toothpaste or my hair comb. Automatic combover

cyberpunk007 , to homeassistant in Matter 1.3 is here to help get your smart home energy usage under control

Or just don't run any of that "smart" data collecting e-waste.

HeartyBeast ,

If you are running it through Home Assistant- or indeed Apple HomeKit - it’s all local - no data collection

cyberpunk007 ,

I'll admit I did not realize I was posting in the homassistant community and that that was what this was for 😓

4am ,

The whole point of matter is that it’s local-only control

rzr ,
sabreW4K3 ,
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You're posting in the home assistant community, instead of acting like a know it all, at least have the self awareness to know what you're talking about.

cyberpunk007 ,

you're right my comment was definitely placed in a community that would not receive it well lol. Did not realize it was this community. Did not realize it was self hosted 😓

balder1991 , to Technology in YouTube's war against third party apps is just as ridiculous as its war on adblockers

Ads have almost always been part and parcel of the YouTube experience. However, there's a point at which ads become so frequent, so irrelevant, and so relentless that they start hurting the user experience. We've been past that point for a while now.

Ironically, without an ad blocker it’s hard to read the Android Police blog. I invite anyone to try.

RagingInside ,

I turned mine off just because of your comment and I counted 15 on that page. 🤢🤮

unreasonabro , to Technology in YouTube's war against third party apps is just as ridiculous as its war on adblockers

Allegiance to Google is what's ridiculous, they haven't deserved to exist since their IPO and the parasite they are needs to be pulled off the internet

Hotzilla , to Technology in YouTube's war against third party apps is just as ridiculous as its war on adblockers

Firefox for Android, AdBlock, Firefox -> Chrome user agent fake plugin. Works very well without any ads or issues.

This supports PiP which is YouTube premium feature.

I would jump ship instantly to something better if the content would be there.

mortemtyrannis ,

Is there an iOS equivalent of this setup?

Hotzilla ,

Firefox probably exist for iOS but I assume plugin support to be poor, because of apple.

qui , to Technology in YouTube's war against third party apps is just as ridiculous as its war on adblockers
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Just use Piped or Invidious.

Roflmasterbigpimp , to Technology in YouTube's war against third party apps is just as ridiculous as its war on adblockers
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After they killed YouTube Vanced, I switched to New Pipe and never looked back

blackris ,

Long time NewPipe user here, have you tried FreeTube?

Roflmasterbigpimp ,
@Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

No, I've never even heard of this. Is it better than NewPipe?

HelloHotel ,
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The API feels faster for me than newpipe but its a PWA. pewpipe's UI is native to android, feels easier to use.

blackris ,

It is faster, doesn't crash and you can read the answers to all comments. It lacks some features of NewPipe like the display dimming via swipe, but has some UI advantages (sharing without timestamp, you pain in the ass!).

pmarcilus ,
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New version of newpipe can already do that tho, glad that these projects are giving each other inspiration to work on the features that user want, unlike certain company

Cavemanfreak ,

For those wondering, ReVanced launcher short after that and is even better than Vanced.

Mastengwe , to Technology in YouTube's war against third party apps is just as ridiculous as its war on adblockers

You can fix the problem by just…. Not using YouTube.

Plopp ,

I'm so addicted to YouTube it's gonna be a very rough time when I can no longer watch without ads, because I'm sure as hell not watching ads.

Halcyon ,
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Simply pay, and you won't see ads.

captain_oni ,

I stopped paying when they increased the price, for less functionality.

Still paying membership for a couple of youtubers I wanted to support (that don't have patreon, or ko-fi, or stuff like that), but gonna keep using adblocker for as long as I can, since YouTube adds are awful.

baru ,

Simply pay, and you won't see ads.

Loads of videos have embedded ads.

possiblylinux127 ,
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Name another platform that has anyway near the similar popularity or usability (usability on third party apps)

Mastengwe ,

Irrelevant. If I don’t like something, I don’t use it. If I do like it, I don’t complain about it.

deeply_moving_queef ,

You can like something and want it to be better. In the lack of actual alternatives the vitriol against YouTube’s anti-user decisions makes a lot of sense. I think you’re just being contrarian.

possiblylinux127 ,
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I think the issue is that video content is expensive to make and host

net00 ,

Youtube is one of those things you can't avoid in practice. So if you don't like it what do you do? do you just miss out on most existing video content?

Mastengwe ,

Yes. If you don’t like it.

FemboyNB ,

You claim to hate society yet you participate in it? Owned /s

Mastengwe ,

YouTube isn’t society kiddo.

possiblylinux127 ,
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Ooooooo

FemboyNB ,
hightrix , to Technology in YouTube's war against third party apps is just as ridiculous as its war on adblockers

This just in, people don’t like ads. At all. Most people.

It is time to find a new business model that works. I’m not smart enough to know what that is so that you don’t piss off users, but whoever figures it out will be a billionaire.

esc27 ,

Maybe like a subscription where people could pay a fee to avoid ads?

hightrix ,

That is absolutely a solution. But what I’m talking about is a way to monetize while keeping the service free but without showing ads.

This is the billion dollar idea. If not trillion.

JackFrostNCola ,

There is no such thing as a free service.

People need to eat, bills need to be paid, shelter needs to be provided and unless people can have these at no expense and create things for pure passion & share for others to enjoy then they need the means to pay for these things.

The internet has whittled this down to a few basic models:

  • Pay the service directly for the content (subscriptions or 1 time purchases)
  • 'Free' content and they serve you ads which they are paid for by companies trying to sell something to you
  • 'Free' content and they sell every bit of data they can scrape from you to companies which are again, trying to sell something to you.

If you could find a way to do anything without having to pay for our human needs then would it be a trillion dollar idea or would money be meaningless now when people wouldnt need it to live & enjoy their lives?

denshirenji ,
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I pay for YouTube and use FreeTube and NewPipe. I try to pay for whatever services I use. I think this is the way, either pay or let the ads play. I do this because the YouTube app is trash for many reasons mostly having to do with trying to funnel me to the money making bits.

There are greedy corporations making the user experience worse and doing everything they can to wring every penny they can. Ultimately, I attribute this to the wall street investor model. A company can be making money and still be losing because their revenues shrank from the prior quarter. That is a broken system that will only eat itself. That being said, people gotta eat and that includes the janitors, etc.. at Google.

Point is, its a mixed bag. There are people on the other end making the product you are using, AND there is a soul sucking company making it worse for both their customers and their workers/creators. To be clear, there is something to be said about how poorly Google supports their creators. In many ways, they are taking advantage of the creators that use their platform. How is it that Google is making so much money in ads, but creators have to open Patreons?

I still don't think we should just expect stuff for free.

Tangentially, I need to be better about helping support the open source projects I use, especially the smaller maintainers, to be honest, but I do send to a few and I encourage everyone to do so as well as much as they can.

edit: Grammar

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

There is no such thing as a free service.

But there is such a thing as a monopoly.

Where are the youtube competitors that keep prices competitive?

DJDarren ,

The trouble with YT Premium is how much they’re charging for it.

We used a VPN to get Ukrainian family YTP for a fraction of the price they charge here in the UK. We pay something like £4 a month now for both of our accounts. That would be the better part of £20 a month if we’d done it legit. Fuck that noise.

Sure, it comes with YT Music, but I’ve literally never used that. I have Apple Music and an iPod. So £20 a month JUST TO REMOVE ADS.

Nah, fuck ‘em.

possiblylinux127 ,
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Ads aren't to bad, I watch them on TV. The problem is the targeted ads and surveillance

magic_lobster_party ,

They want people to pay for premium. That’s why they’re pushing more ads. To make the free plan insufferable.

AWittyUsername ,

Then they will enshitify premium when they have a large percentage on it.

CheeseNoodle ,

I don't mind ads in the sidebar or on that little banner across the bottom of the screen sometimes. Its when the ads completely cover the content I'm trying to watch/view and/or start auto playing at obnoxious volume that I get annoyed. (Also fuck people on metered connections right?)

Ragnarok314159 ,

The two hour long ads that try to act like they match the title of the video are horrible.

pineapplelover ,

Back in the early days of youtube, I didn't mind them. Just a few ads here and there. Nowadays, the internet is barely usable unless you have an adblocker.

Setarkus ,

How about a cryptominer that runs while watching videos, that would surely be a great idea :D

/s

anon_8675309 ,

The credit card companies should have invested heavily in micropayments. If I could just pay a tiny non subscription fee for a bit of media I would do that in a heartbeat.

madcaesar ,

I would pay for premium IF it was a reasonable price.

I don't want shitty music bundled or whatever fuck else they are calling it now JUST youtube.

AND here's the big one, I want the fucking downvote count back and sponsor skip. Most videos have ads and fucking sponsor segments which are also fucking ads. I'm not paying to watch that.

And downvote count is absolutely crucial to be able to detect bullshit videos quickly.

Google is offering a shit product and asking a premium price. Fuck em.

refalo ,

Most people

Then how did google make money?

alexdeathway , (edited ) to Technology in YouTube's war against third party apps is just as ridiculous as its war on adblockers
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ELI5 why google won't pull reddit on youtube API?

AnActOfCreation OP ,
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YouTube already has ToS on their API and has paid tiers. But a lot (most?) of the third-party apps and tools bypass the API and directly scrape the site.

Drewelite ,

So why aren't there reddit apps that do the same?

Saxoboneless ,
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I'm sure there's an in-depth reason for it, but there is one that scrapes Old Reddit, instead of the main site, and it works great for me (Stealth on f-droid). There's also RedReader, a client that was allowed to keep API access because of it's accessibility features... which I guess Reddit just couldn't be bothered to implement into their own app.

MattBlackAlien ,

Geddit is one.

Klear ,

Because fuck reddit.

possiblylinux127 ,
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Because YouTube is embedded a lot

AMDIsOurLord ,

Go to any major publication, and I mean absolutely any one, and there is a solid chance there is at least a single YT embed.

If they try to Reddit their API they're going to lose much, much more than just giving it away

alexdeathway ,
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X(Twitter) did it, that's why i am little concerned.

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