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Toes ,
@Toes@ani.social avatar

Guess it's time to create an issue on your display manager's github. And pray to the penguin gods they resolve it.

noxy ,
@noxy@yiffit.net avatar

framework 16 over here, running hyprland, the only blurry fonts have been in Darktable, everything else is fine (telegram, discord, vscode, thunderbird, firefox, waybar, quodlibet, thunar, alacritty, seahorse, synology drive client...)

ben_dover ,

i don't get it, my screen and 4k ultrawide display both look lovely (framework 13 + ubuntu), check your settings

Honytawk ,

So, does Linux just not support those displays?

Pantherina ,

No, electron, xwayland, GNOME cause problems.

KDE with fractional scaling on Wayland works well.

Not sure about GNOME today, but they hid it away in the past and forcing 120%/150% made everything blurry

EpicVision ,

Electron and Xwayland don't cause problems. GNOME is the only source of problems on Linux.

BorgDrone ,

Meanwhile, macOS has been handling high-dpi displays with zero issues since 2012.

Pantherina ,

This is just a theory but I assume they just dont scale, they have their UI sized to a set size and thats it.

BorgDrone ,

You assume incorrectly.

The way it works on macOS is that you select the ‘looks like’ resolution to determine the size. For example if you have a 4k monitor you can set a ‘looks like’ resolution of 2560x1440. Internally it always renders at 2x, so in this case it will render to 5120x2880. That image is then scaled down to the actual display resolution, e.g. 3480x2160. It’s basically supersampling.

Pantherina ,

So they do the same as GNOME? Scale double and then scale down?

Okay that makes sense as you need more pixels to work with.

kaea ,

2K + KDE + Wayland works like a charm

yarr ,

Been using KDE + HiDPI + X11 for close to 5 years now, not a blurry font to be found.

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

your fault for using a DE/distro which can't even handle fractional scaling

jg1i OP ,

Framework's fault for poorly choosing a display with known issues.

tri_poloski ,

Whats is a known issue to the said display?

Sloogs ,

I think I heard about it actually, it's the issue where people make up shit on the spot online to confirm their biases

jg1i OP ,

The known issue with HiDPI displays, like the one Framework chose, is that apps are blurry. Other laptops, like Thinkpad or XPS, offer low DPI displays which avoid this issue altogether. The irony is that a HiDPI display is supposed to look better than a low DPI display, but the scaling issues actually make it look worse.

In addition, the experimental flags required to "fix" the scaling issues with apps can also break these apps.

Discord window decorations missing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/o24560/spotify_and_discord_missing_window/

1Password not launching:
https://1password.community/discussion/141663/i-cant-start-wayland-native-version-of-1password

Spotify window decorations wrong:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/16xhm21/spotify_window_decorations_on_wayland/

In summary, HiDPI displays have a long history of making your display look worse and limiting the apps you can use. Thinkpad or XPS with low DPI don't require you to only use Ubuntu or Fedora or only KDE. Linux support on the Framework is held back by the poor choice of display.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk. 🙏

Aux ,

That's not the problem with Framework or displays. Linux just sucks at even the simplest basics.

Adanisi ,
@Adanisi@lemmy.zip avatar

It sucks so much and is so unusable that Valve chose to use it for their Steam Deck!

thatgirlwasfire ,

I’ve been using Fedora KDE on my framework 16 and haven't really had any issues. Under Wayland, the default behavior is to scale x11 apps, which can result in a bit of blur. Telling x11 apps to scale themselves gets rid of the blur, but also doesn’t seem to scale them.

hedidwot ,

Claims to describe the claimed issues with the framework display but instead literally outlines the issues with the chosen OS instead.

Like.. fine, be annoyed, but at least be honest.
The framework display has no faults.

Linux had issues with DPI.

It's still an issue, still legit, not it's not a faulty display.

loudWaterEnjoyer ,
@loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Dude are you OK?

masterspace ,

Lol, bro, you're literally describing the OS failing to handle scaling properly, not an issue with the screen.

EpicVision ,

Actually, it's the desktop environment that doesn't know how to handle scaling. It's mostly a GNOME issue, I never had any issues on KDE.

mellejwz ,

So what's the known issue?

Abbrahan ,
@Abbrahan@lemmy.world avatar

Framework: let's put a high resolution display in our laptop
GNOME: oh shit I can't handle more than 1080p correctly!
Jg1i: Why would Framework do this?

bitwolf ,

No issues with 4k on Fedora stock

ULS ,

768p

PlexSheep ,
@PlexSheep@feddit.de avatar

Works for me with a framework 12 on LMDE6 with plasma5/Wayland. I probably did some configuring and forgot.

merthyr1831 ,

hidpi is poggers but current AMD GPU drivers for newer hardware is NOT poggers

pelotron ,

This is a very helpful explanation thanks

lemmy_nightmare ,
@lemmy_nightmare@sh.itjust.works avatar

😂

bitwolf ,

Yeah the 780m on Phoenix has been buggy AF.

But the 7900xtx in my desktop has been working like a dream.

merthyr1831 ,

glad I'm not the only one suffering lmao. it's such a good chip but the drivers are far more heavily than I've ever experienced on Nvidia

bitwolf ,

Unfortunately I understand AMDs side too. Shared memory access is hard in general. Unfortunately you have to depend on that for integrated gpus.

Kernel 6.8, aside from the GPU issues, has been great on this platform so I do still believe the 7040's will maintain the AMD tendency to age like fine wine.

merthyr1831 ,

It works so solid but there's just a lot of jank right now. I spose some of it is that my old nvidia stuff was very old comparatively (1650ti mobile until recently, and before that I had a 1070ti on my desktop) so im definitely just experiencing the new hardware tax

noxy ,
@noxy@yiffit.net avatar

vrr? never met the guy!

Voyajer ,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

Sounds like a config problem to me

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Sounds like a Linux problem to me

EpicVision ,

Sounds more like a GNOME problem

PerogiBoi ,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

How dare you use standard display tech on any commercial laptop bought within the last 5+ years. You should be like me, vastly superior in every human way, with my old tech. I am very smart.

utubas ,

How dare you use modern technology in current year?

bjoern_tantau ,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Until I disabled my nVidia GPU and switched to Wayland the only problem I had with my HiDPI screen was with mixing in a low DPI display. That was easily solved by just running the HiDPI display at half the resolution. Now with Wayland even that problem is gone.

Do you even have blurry fonts with Wayland applications? There must be something wrong with your configuration.

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