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Pantherina ,

You can literally donate 1ct. I have no idea how people can complain when developers want money for their work.

The "Linux community" is 80% users that dont contribute, 10% "powerusers" that still dont contribute, 5% people that help with nondevelopment work (bug reporting, community support, etc.) and 5% actual developers.

(Completely rough estimation)

iso OP ,
@iso@lemy.lol avatar

I have no problem with "pay what you can". I just hate "you must donate X amount to use this software". If I need to donate, then it is not donate. It is payment.

Pantherina ,

Never had this but yeah maybe. "Pay for binaries" is still free software though

Doods ,

English people on their way to ruin the meaning of every word.

JustJack23 ,

Where the fuck did you get this definition from?

If I remember correctly vim is charityware and is entirely free, I only found out about the charity part on accident.

iso OP ,
@iso@lemy.lol avatar

https://vb-audio.com/Services/licensing.htm

JustJack23 ,

I agree this is bullshit, especially the donation for activation code.

mexicancartel ,

Thats just paid sortware with extra name

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Well yeah, I don't really see the problem with that though.

TheOakTree ,

Yeahhh... I paid for it because I needed the functionality.

Asudox ,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

Who needs to get definitions from other sources when you can make your own definitions?

Muscle_Meteor ,

Randsomeware

You have to pay to use your own software

foggy ,

I hear you. I think it's just exceedingly rare. Not saying it doesn't exist, I just think giving it a name is a little strange given how unbelievably rare it is. But, you got to start somewhere! So, I digress. I guess, here it is. 🤷‍♂️

can ,

You have no idea how deep the -ware rabbit hole goes.

jol ,

It's the humble bundle model.

leamaya ,

There is also software that you could compile from source yourself but the binaries are locked behind a donation.
Are those also donationware?

AVincentInSpace , (edited )

pls answer I need to know if I can use aseprite without disappointing daddy stallman

Bene7rddso ,

Paid software is completely fine with RMS as long as the source is available to the users (not even to everyone) as long as you can freely redistribute the source (like RHEL before they enshittified)

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Theres also software you can download for free, but you gotta pay for the password to unlock the rar file...

frezik ,

Escortware. You're not paying for the software, you're paying for the time you're using the software.

octopus_ink ,

Isn't that essentially software as a service?

NegativeInf ,

Arrest creative cloud for prostitution. All those people are paying to get fucked.

octopus_ink ,

chef's kiss

TheRealKuni ,

Mostly I’m just paying to not have to learn GIMP. 😅

ignotum ,

That's why i declined a free photoshop license and some cad software license when i was a student, and instead went straight to learning Gimp and FreeCAD

Once you know one tool it's hard to switch

Hundun ,

Hey what if my software is paid, but you can purchase it for N money or more, with an input field?

Because that I've seen a lot, and it sounds suspiciously like what you're describing, yet completely normal.

Edited for grammar

Auzy ,

Here in Australia we have Meetup groups which request mandatory donations for hikers too.

Always by the worst guides. Surely the tax office and legal system (when people get injured) can't outsmart such actual genius lol

xlash123 ,
@xlash123@sh.itjust.works avatar

Now what about software that pays you to use it?

Oh no, I just described cryptocurrency.

milicent_bystandr ,

And bloatware. (Kind of. I understand it subsidises the cost of your device/software.)

unreasonabro ,

In English, the correct meaning of words is always optional. The language is fluid, literally anything can be a euphemism; idk if that's also the case in other languages but it regularly trips up even native speakers.

Even so, even with that much flexibility built into the language, this is still just malignant, cynical, toxic lying of the worst sort.

Lennard ,

I think pay what you can/want is a great concept, but calling it donation is kinda misleading

steventrouble ,

Isn't Vim donationware? (Hint: it is)

BassaForte ,
@BassaForte@lemmy.world avatar

No? I've never had to donate to use vim.

steventrouble ,

You don't have to donate to use donationware. Donationware donations are optional.

Donationware is a well-defined term that's been around for decades. I don't know why everyone ITT is hallucinating that it means something different.

SomethingBurger ,
@SomethingBurger@jlai.lu avatar

It's charityware.

See :help iccf

iso OP ,
@iso@lemy.lol avatar

For it to be donationware, you must not be able to use it without donating.

steventrouble ,

Nope, that's not what donationware means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donationware

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

What like itch.io? Hard disagree

kautau ,

I think they’re referring to software that has like donate indicators/prompts in the app, or features blocked behind “donation.”

iso OP , (edited )
@iso@lemy.lol avatar

yes, those.

Rustmilian , (edited )
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

donate indicators/prompts in the app

That's either donationware or nagware depending.

features blocked behind “donation.”

That's just Freemium.

butter ,

Itch is free, with optional donations.

Donationware is "Please donate to continue"

Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Donationware is "Please donate to continue"

No, that's either Freemium or Trialware.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

You can set a donation minimum in itch

toastal , (edited )

I dunno this lacks nuance… I think this could easily be referring to different economic situations. The concept of donation usually has this implication of not being a for-profit entity or for a indie developer’s side project. These kinds of apps usually are still either open source or source available which is different than closed, proprietary applications. With this focus on money, I would assume that “free” is meaning gratis where users can often be the product & while the source is not available …or some VC-funded product where they are loss-leading a free tier now just eventually charge everyone later which is hardly good, with a dash of open washing to taste.

Pantherina ,

Free beer: dont pay and still get software

Free speech: get software you can trust, be sure there are no active backdoors etc.

toastal ,

Gratis vs. Libre

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