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EmperorHenry ,
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My favorite is the "Lancaster" the British knock-off of the B-17

gmtom ,
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U fucking wot mate?

The Lancaster not only entered service before the B-17, it was also the superior aircraft with 10x the bomb load of the B-17

EmperorHenry ,
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Nah, the B-17 is the OG and the better one

FlyingSquid ,
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Fun fact: You know why WWII has been an incredibly prolific genre for history documentaries?

Hours and hours of public domain footage taken by the U.S. military. All of the Nazi footage is also public domain.

They make them because they're as cheap to make as you could make a history documentary. And people eat them up anyway.

Rubanski ,

TIL, I was somewhat wondering why there are SO many WWII documentaries

AFC1886VCC ,

WW2 tanks and planes are cool as hell and interesting. The tank museum YouTube channel is amazing.

Other facets of history are really interesting too though.

melpomenesclevage ,

Don't get me started on the links between information technology and fashion. That shits crazy.

Larger bodycount in similar conditions too, and not just when they cross the holocaust and deep throat it with both mouthes for a few hours.

lolcatnip ,

That's the kind of history enthusiast I was as a kid, but I outgrew it. I still find the history or warfare interesting, but there are so many other facets of history that are equally fascinating and a lot more relevant to our lives today.

Maggoty ,

In high school I asked why tanks weren't such a thing in Vietnam. And my Vietnam veteran teacher worked it around to how Ho Chi Minh was ignored by everyone except the Russians after World War 1. Seeing how all the lines came together to make that happen and then make the Vietnam war feel almost as inevitable as it was forlorn really gave me a sense of history.

He was my math teacher. My history teacher literally put names and dates on a slide for us to copy.

melpomenesclevage ,

American history classes are such shit. I thought I hated the topic til I was an adult.

Appoxo ,
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Not like the German version is much better lol

melpomenesclevage ,

Unless we're talking about board games or asshole philosophers; that's generally not a strong claim.

Appoxo ,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

German history class is as much as a lottery as anywhere else.
Didn't really enjoy English class until my I got my last teacher for the remaining 3 years.
Same for Maths: I did not enjoy it but she explained it so well I got a solid B in my finals.

The following teachers were basically trash in comparison to motivating me.

So in essence: It usually depnds on the teacher.

melpomenesclevage ,

Yeah, but american history classes are, um...

So there's this guy in american history. We teach he was a great general who had wooden teeth and couldnt tell a lie and chopped down a cherry tree (seems out of place). Was a general in the revolution (he won a single battle. Ambushed some drunk mercenaries on Christmas eve), and despite being the richest man in the country he never paid his soldiers. His teeth were not wooden; they were real human teeth, taken from the mouths of slaves. Living slaves.

ryathal ,

History as it's taught in schools is awful. Even segments on WWII get reduced to nazis bad, holocaust bad, allies good then USSR went bad.

HEXN3T ,
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Okay so this really long time ago in Italy there was a war over a bucket

Jorgelino ,
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I'm listening

HEXN3T ,
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FlyingSquid ,
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The U.S. and Britain once almost went to war over a pig that got shot for eating potatoes out of a garden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War_(1859)

ShadowCatEXE ,
@ShadowCatEXE@lemmy.world avatar

When I was in high school, the history teacher you got was like winning the lottery. One teacher showed war movies and had “fun” assignments related to that movie. The other teacher had written assignments almost every class.

I got super lucky… He was a fantastic teacher. Last I heard, some students ratted on him and he had to change his curriculum.

TexMexBazooka ,

What shitheads, fuck dem kids

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

in the west "history enthusiast" is simply the common euphemism for wehraboo. ask those people anything but military history (history of literature, architecture, philosophy etc) and they wont know shit. and even in their supposed field of expertise they will rather praise some stupid nazi wunderwaffen than to accept that the fascist menace rightfully lost.

we liberated europe from fascism and they will never forgive us for it.

Marshal Zhukov

OKRainbowKid ,

They liberated it from fascism, and now they're fighting imperialist wars to bring it back!

Quite ironic, if you ask me.

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

america and the west are the fascist empire, as they are the ones who support the banderites in the ukraine, as well as the genocidal occupation of palestine, not to speak of all the neocolonialism in the global south in general. every violence against them is self defense.

OKRainbowKid ,

I dare you to say that to the face of Ukrainian women and children being kidnapped and raped by Russian soldiers.

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

you are the one who cheered on the mass murder and rape of russian civilians by azov fascists since 2014.

Siegfried ,

Ah, I didnt know we could invent shit. Let me try, you cheered when russia downed a plane full of civilians faking an assassination attempt to putin in the ukrainian border... wait, that happened... (well, idk if you cheered, that would be too much)

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
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the plane youre talking about was downed by ukronazis, something the entire world except for the west knows.

BlitzoTheOisSilent ,

Got a source on that, comrade?

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

all my sources are in russian, sory. 1 2 3 5

BlitzoTheOisSilent ,

Yeah, I'm not clicking on sketchy websites that come from Russian-State owned media who clearly have no bias in regards to the war they started.

I'm sorry the "fascist West" decided to sanction Russia for their numerous crimes in history, and considering the facts that Russia has sent spies to kill numerous people on foreign soils because they had the audacity to criticize Der Putin, who himself only rose to power by bombing apartment blocks of his own people, maybe you should read sources that, idk, come from less biased organizations?

But what do I know, I just stand with Ukraine's right to defend their country against bullshit wars that the Russian government can't seem to win. Maybe when one of those "fascist West" countries, like Sweden or Finland or even France, claim the Russians didn't shoot down that plane, I'll believe them. But I wouldn't wipe my ass with anything the Russian state wants the world to believe.

Siegfried ,

So, "the entire world except the west" is just russia now? Even for a troll, this is really sad.

Kase ,

The entire world except for the west? I remember that russia said it wasn't them, but were there other governments that said that too? /gen

melpomenesclevage , (edited )

And the Russian fascists, like your leader? They're just fine, right?

You know it would be so easy to kill some of them. You're right there. Can you get a gun?

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

afaik navalny is luckily not the leader of russia.

melpomenesclevage ,

Dude they're all Nazis. Almost like Russia has some sort of problem...

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
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true, a problem that is currently being delt with through the smo.

davel , (edited )
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imnotfromkaliningrad ,
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thx mate! ♥️

davel , (edited )
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@xor 😂

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yea

ArcoIris ,

Oh yes, your “three-day special military operation” that’s been going on for, what, three, four years now? You have no business calling other people brainwashed.

davel ,
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IMO there’s no point in arguing with entrenched NATO stans, deep in the weeds of two-day old posts. They’re irredeemable and no one else is ever going to see this. Nobody’s going to look in their feed’s back-catalog and click on “more replies →”.

davel ,
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melpomenesclevage ,

More his idol? I'm not sure they actually worked together.

And the war aims are explicitly genocidal.

Apollo42 ,
FlorianSimon ,

Yet another war crime apologist!

See, a war crime is when Americans kill civilians. China and Russia are allowed to kill civilians, that's different.

At least you probably understand why you and your scummy lookalikes can't convince anyone.

erev ,
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I'm not with the other guy, but America is a neoliberal imperial empire. They have had multiple colonial territories that they've prevented from both independence and statehood, and are involved in the politics, economies, and militaries of countries all over the world where we use our weight to get more favorable terms for ourselves and dictate the course of that nation/state/country's history. We constantly exploit various areas for the resources they provide with indifference to the effect of local people. We are one of the pinnacles of this style of technocratic, neofeudalist, neocolonial, imperial, plutocratic government. I'm not going to comment on fascism but it's not exactly difficult to showcase both contemporaneously and historiographically that the United States has a bit of a fascism issue.

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
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nobody was talking about war crimes, why are westerners so fond of them? also, where tf was china supposedly killing civilians?

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

In our Reddit feeds.

ArcoIris ,

They’re called Uyghurs. You’d know that if you got your news from somewhere besides Hexbear.

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

And I have news for you. The US’s “Uyghur genocide” disinformation campaign has already been debunked several times over.

We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

ArcoIris ,

Fine, whatever, the CCP are all a bunch of perfect angels who never did anything wrong and all us big bad bogeyman “westerners” are responsible for all the world’s problems. I suppose I’ll just flagellate myself with my own white guilt for the rest of my life.

Fuck off.

BlitzoTheOisSilent ,

the ukraine

It's just Ukraine, you Russian shill.

Slava Ukraini!

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar
BlitzoTheOisSilent ,

Edgy

melpomenesclevage , (edited )

Love it though. Like, its coming from an idiot, but it is a fun image.

Siegfried ,

Russian doesn't have articles, but a lot of languages do. It's difficult enough for us non English speakers to have to write and read in a language we barely have active contact with. As founded your opinion over this tankie is, let this mild grammatic mistakes slide.

BlitzoTheOisSilent ,

They referred to the entire West as fascist... I highly doubt it was a "mild grammatical mistake."

Siegfried ,

I was just issuing the "the Ukraine" thing

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Jaysus can ye not just slag adolescent boys for their stupid history?

Do ye have to make everyfuckingthing about your same talking points?

BlitzoTheOisSilent ,

...what?

frightful_hobgoblin ,

The meme is making fun of testosterone-poisoned 'history enthusiasts', just make fun of them why you gotsa start your flame wars about 'muh West'

BlitzoTheOisSilent ,

Ah, another Russian bot, got it.

Did you read the comment I responded to? Calling the West fascist, and using the pro-Russian "the Ukraine" phrase?

Their OP comment was left alone because it stayed true to the meme (and I have no qualms acknowledging the sacrifices and victories the Soviets accomplished during the second world war), but they then took the comment chain off-topic.

Idk what to tell you, mate, if this was supposes to stay on topic about "testosterone-poisoned 'history enthusiasts'" maybe go tell that to the person who initially took it off the rails.

Slava Ukraini!

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Jaysus just have a laugh at the tankies stop being such a pain in the hole.

You people only have one thing to say I swear to god

BlitzoTheOisSilent ,

Was any of this directed at you? Were you called out by name?

If you don't like how I interact with other users, don't read my comments. Like, fuck off dude, we're not here to behave or react however you feel we should.

Jaysus fucking Christ, didn't realize we had the fucking comment bobbies to dictate how we speak and feel.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Like, fuck off dude

Haha oh my goodness

melpomenesclevage ,

Yeah, america seems to catch more shit for the one decent thing its half assing on a back burner than the dozens of atrocities that have been ongoing since before I was born. Combined.

fl42v ,

Nah, (> Russian shill) is the overall take, not using the article. Слава Украине, tho.

As a side-note, I suspect they're trolling or are a кремлебот 😁

melpomenesclevage ,

You could end this war. You, personally. All you need to do is kill your masters.

Maybe you wouldn't survive, but you would deal such a blow to global fascism, and, perhaps, inspire similar acts in the american empire.

I know the thought of death is terrifying, but you'll probably be drafted soon anyway, and die in the mud, fighting for some incomprehensible exterminationist bullshit.

Wouldn't you rather die doing some good?

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

damn bro, its really funny when a fascist like you tries to adapt radical rhetoric... the west and their banderite puppets are the only ones trying to exterminate other peoples, something anglos have been doing since their very conception btw. i also would have liked to ask you to kill your masters, but considering how propagandized you are, it would already be a net positive if you would simply cease to breathe.

melpomenesclevage ,

Try believing in something. It helps.

Do the right thing.

Hell, if youre good and you've got friends, you might even survive. But even if you don't, there's this movie they made that was a really lush retelling of the 'green knight' legend. Worth a watch, you know?

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

i do believe in things. it just happens to not be your fascism.

melpomenesclevage ,

Would make it easier to kill your masters if you did. Theres still time. Think of it like a kind of redemption. You know I'm right about this.

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

look mate, your bait aint working. try something better.

ArcoIris ,

Wow. You really are just mask-off Russian government propaganda, aren’t you? There’s this thing called nuance and only the most vile of people refuse to see it. This “west bad, kys” nonsense isn’t just stupid, it’s boring. Go back to the drawing board and try again.

melpomenesclevage , (edited )

Oh, or mention how every major innovation in military history was gay first.

They get maaaaaaad

Norgur ,

Who signed the Manga Carta?

Spitfire Mk VIII

When was the papal decree to excommunicate Charles le magne passed?

Panther

CaptainBlagbird , (edited )
@CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world avatar

I don't know that Manga, but then again, I'm not really a weeabo

Please don't edit your comment, the typo brightened my mood :)

Norgur ,

It's... Uh... About girls in short school uniforms in tanks...and the girls are all very... Uh pretty in a, let's say, stimulating way, but it's not a problem because in reality they aren't underage girls but five thousand year old dragons. They usually fight for way over two seasons per fight and yell everything they are doing loudly.
Come on, you have to know that manga!

msage ,

Hey!

Girls und Panzer is an entirely wholesome experience and I won't let anyone disagree!

(there are no dragons though)

Norgur ,

But there are needlessly sexualized underage people, yes? If not, why did the description make you think of that?

msage ,

Because it's just... girls in tanks man, it's hard to forget. Insanely cute, and pretty funny at times.

TheBat ,
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Oh ok I thought that was an manga about young women who are actually anthropomorphic tanks... My bad.

azi ,

Essay Response: With specific examples, explain the various ways African states responded to the spread of colonialism. How effective were these responses?

Kugelpanzer

Norgur ,

In 5 sentences, explain the specific mindset that lead to the Franco-prussian waron the Prussian side and explain how this mindset shaped the Prussian culture.

The Spitfire totally rocked World War II with its sleek design and superior agility, making it the ultimate aerial ace. Unlike the clunky Messerschmidt BF109, the Spitfire could outmaneuver its foes with ease, like a ninja in the sky. Its Rolls-Royce engine gave it the power to soar higher and faster, leaving the BF109 trailing in its wake. Plus, the Spitfire had style for days, with its iconic elliptical wings and badass British flair. When it comes to dogfights, the Spitfire was the undisputed champ, leaving the BF109 eating its dust every time.

(Don't @ me for this response, I had ChatGPT do it)

rustyfish ,
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The Thirty Years' War didn’t have tanks in it so it’s not to be considered a war. I also like to bring to your attention, that I’m a mod at askhistorian. So if you don’t agree with me, you will get banned.

clay_pidgin ,

Dang, since leaving the other place you can only afford the one historian? A pity.

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