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Gamey ,

You are on Lemmy.world pal, I left that instance because it's too neo liberal and right leaning for my taste... Are you by any chance a american because unless you post in Lemmy.ml all the time I can't really imagine that from a european perspective! If you count the facists from Hexbear and Lemmingrad that you instance defederated from as left (which they really aren't by the original definition of the left/right devide) it might be but I think unless you try to spill neo liberal garbage the backlash will probably be limited tbh!

NoiseColor ,

Reddit was leftist not long ago. Not really leftist, just a bit left leaning. In my communities that changed drastically from 2020 and on. When I stopped using it a couple of months ago, my favourite subs were already mainly right wing.

FuryQuaker ,

What subreddits were your favorites? Genuinely curious because as a moderately right leaning person all I see is extremely leftist, and even moderately left leaning people are ostracized from Reddit.

Deftdrummer ,

Had me till the end. Its people even slightly right leaning who are ostracized.

overkill0485 ,

Have you seen those colorful people on hexbear? Quite the echo chamber.

namelivia ,

Platforms have no political alignment, users have

meliaesc ,

You cannot tell me TruthSocial has no political alignment.

huge_clock ,

Also why would you want to be in an echo chamber? I’m more of a libertarian but I like surrounding myself with people that challenge my views.

OrnateLuna ,

I like not having the right of my existence challenged but to each their own

LoreleiSankTheShip ,

I don't agree. The simple fact that Lemmy is decentralised is a political thing. It's about who has power over the platform, and that is inherently a political issue. The status-quo of other platforms, that being under the control of a corporation, is also a political stance.

PS: everything is politics, that's not a good or bad thing, it's neutral. If you don't think of something as political, that just means it's oriented towards the status-quo you are used to.

Mockrenocks ,

Did the platform just blink into existence or was it created and advanced by someone's hand? To what end?

spookedbyroaches ,

I just saw a post about eco-terrorism and people mostly agreed. Lemmy is 100% extreme.

Zeth0s ,

I was downvoted because I said that barbie is not feminism, a statement which is bare minimum of center left feminist ideology.

Lemmy is definitely not all leftist.

It might be seen leftist by US standard, but overall, with the exception of few well known instances, it is not really "extreme left", probably not even overwhelming left

Blamemeta ,

Yes, and thats not a good thing.

rockSlayer ,

Why?

Blamemeta ,

Communism, as practiced, is inherently fascist. Its essentially state slavery, because if you don't work, you will be sent to labor camps where you will work. The workers do not consent.

rbits ,

as practiced

People who agree with communism "as practiced" are usually ridiculed by others on lemmy, from what I've seen.

galloog1 ,

Giving full economic power to the state does not make you less fascist. It actually makes it much worse.

Just a reminder to the true leftists who think they can force through their better society by giving society more power over the individual without changing the culture in the first place.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

Just a reminder, abolishing the state is cool.

galloog1 ,

I am sure that will protect minorities! That's definitely never resulted in genocide. It'll be fine this time around.

horsey ,

That’s not what fascist means. Fascism is specific a right wing ideology, because it involves close cooperation between the government and capitalist monopolies. Mussolini praised “capitalist production, captains of industries, modern entrepreneurs”. You seem to mean authoritarian.

galloog1 ,

I understand the definition of fascism. You are missing the portion by which corporations are not allowed to exist if they do not further the efforts of the state. Basically exactly the same as Marx advised towards the end of his writings. Nothing is allowed to exist in a socialist system if it is perceived to work against the needs of the people (state)

There is functionally no difference between corporations that do not control the means of production even if they are charged with running it and a state fully owning the means. It's just middle management.

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

A socialist system doesn't have to be state-based. Socialism can encompass anarchism, anarcho-communism and many other left ideologies besides state-communism.

horsey ,

Okay, but that doesn't make a leftist system fascist. That's what authoritarian means in an economic sense. There are many other aspects of fascism.

galloog1 ,

If there is functionally no difference between the systems, it it's fascism. Call a duck a duck. Oppressed people don't care that the flag is red.

horsey ,

Fascism includes various types of oppression not present in other ideologies, such as sexism and manipulation/fear about minority groups as 'the enemy'.

InevitableWaffles ,
@InevitableWaffles@midwest.social avatar

In the marketplace of ideas, rightwing thoughts will be mocked, as they always should been...

AngryMulbear ,

Free market Capitalism is the greatest economic system to ever exist.

gibmiser ,

What free market? All I have ever known is corporate socialism. Subsidize business with taxpayer dollars. Regulatory capture to prevent competitors from entering the market.

Track_Shovel ,

Lemmy feels a lot more authentic to real life. If I started talking about tinfoil hat conspiracies, my friends would ridicule me to no end.

As they should.

Same here.

Kecessa ,

If I start talking to random people in a bar odds are I won't meet a single one who will start calling me a Nazi because I believe in the Uyghur genocide...

stinodes ,

And there are no conservative ideas that aren't tinfoil hat conspiracies, I guess

Illegal_Prime ,

True, I’d expect pretty wild conspiracies like flat earth and chemtrails to be laughed at here, but a disturbing number of lemmings and even progressives in general follow a set of less outlandish - but more insidious - conspiracies that usually fall into the “collusion and malice” type. I could say that General Motors et al. killed most of the US passenger rail and streetcar systems, and most people here would accept that as a fact. Case closed, capitalism is evil and should be abolished, every bad thing is cause by someone with I’ll intentions making it worse.

I, however, tend to be suspicious of those sorts of takes in general. Returning to the alleged “streetcar conspiracy”I’ve actually done quite a lot of research into this and can decidedly say that the primary cause of the decline of mass transit in the US was… There were at least 5 primary causes, none of which were shadowy groups deliberately working to destroy it. Rather it was killed by a changing urban environment, failures to adapt to modal shifts, legacy streetcar systems just generally sucking, and local governments taking transit for granted and assuming that they can hold streetcar companies to exacting standards while expecting them to remain solvent, all while not considering it their problem.

I could go on, and can send some sources and references (maybe not direct links though) if you’d like to learn more. But my main point is that far too many people assume there’s a nefarious actor pulling the strings the whole time when it’s usually several factors lining up all the holes in the Swiss cheese and creating a negative externality we still talk about to this day.

There (usually) isn’t a conspiracy, and if there is it’s unlikely to be anywhere near as all-encompassing as you think. People say there is because it gives them someone to blame, helps channel their anger at something tangible, and just makes a good story.

TheFriar ,

Honestly, this place is full of communists. I’m not the biggest fan of communists, to be frank. There is a lot of backwards ideas that get accepted as “leftist,” when they’re really statist. Particularly revisionist history statist. If a communist party said it, you gotta defend it kinda thing.

InevitableWaffles ,
@InevitableWaffles@midwest.social avatar

I don't identify as a communist. I just don't want life to be unreasonably difficult for people. Thats it. I just what the promise of what labor was supposed to be. I want it to free us from the shackles of work or die. Guess that is extreme left now even with tankies around the corner from us.

Carvex ,

Exactly. We have 50 years of computer driven exponential growth and not a fucking thing is better for us. We don't work less, travel more, be richer, live a better life, or have a better future for the planet. It should make everyone anti-capitalist.

Querk ,

Data I've seen suggests otherwise. Care to engage with me so that we can figure out where the discrepancy lies?

Gabu ,

You're joking, right? A peasant in the 1200s would work less than a regular person today.

Querk ,

Do you think an average person in 13th century had a better quality of life than an average person living in the 21st century?

Gabu ,

In many aspects, yes, they did lead a more fulfilling life.

WldFyre ,

Imma call bullshit on that one lol

And sources for that?

Anamana ,

Define 'full of communists'.. cause it sounds like such an american phrase and perspective. To me, it's just a more leftwing centered space. The real communists are a minority. At least on the biggest Lemmy servers.

Kecessa ,

Go for a walk in Hexbear and Lemmygrad communities, these are Lemmy's communists...

Anamana ,

Yeah but those instances are not nearly as big as lemmyworld and the others. I also didn't say that there were no communists at all. There are just not as many as OP made it out to be.

Kecessa ,

I just checked and you're instance isn't federated with Hexbear so you don't see their users' comments, my instance was federated with them for a couple of days and it made the Lemmy experience a mess.

Anamana ,

I have more than one account, none of them get many communist posts. Maybe there's one in there in a few rare occasions but it's not significant.

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