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I ordered my daughter a pizza, something I don't usually do. I got Domino's smallest size with two toppings. I got her cheese sticks and two sauces and tipped the driver 20%. $31.07.

Note I did not buy any food for myself.

To head off questions:

  1. No, I couldn't cook for her. I'm suffering from a long-term illness where I can't eat solid foods and am extremely smell sensitive. My wife is at a funeral, so I had to order food.

  2. She's extremely picky and refused to let me order anything but pizza.

  3. We live outside of town, in a not very big town, with very few pizza delivery options, and they're all at least this expensive.

  4. No, I didn't also have to buy her the cheesy bread or the second topping or the sauces, but it's nice to get my daughter a treat and that is no excuse for the order being that expensive.

  5. We're in Indiana, so this should be ludicrous in terms of pricing. This used to be the pricing I would expect when we lived in L.A. and ordered from a good local place rather than a chain.

Edit: Turns out what I should have been infuriated about is people repeatedly telling me to get takeout and having to repeatedly explain why that wasn't an option, having people not believe I'm sick, and being repeatedly berated for not magically knowing food coupons exist on the internet when I never order food on the internet. Oh right, and also being a bad parent for not forcing food my daughter doesn't like down her throat or starving her if she won't eat it.

By the way, I have another thing to be infuriated about. A huge storm came in and this happened to our trees. I assume I will start being berated for not cutting them down before that happened, but because I have no power or internet at home and have to go to the library to post, your further posts telling me what an idiot I am and how I'm an awful parent and how I'm not really sick will take me a while to read. Sorry to ruin your day. Maybe you'll find someone else to treat like shit.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/27d3d56f-3566-424d-9c3d-47d6aff0179b.png

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Anyway, have fun telling me I'm the worst person on Lemmy, just don't expect a quick reply.

Oh, and do tell me how stupid I am for not knowing that people who clear up and fix such damage have coupons on their website.

waz ,

If you are paying separately for the delivery, what is the tip for?

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The poorly-paid driver, who doesn't get any of that delivery fee. I'm fine paying that part, but the delivery fee is bullshit.

Rekorse ,

I'm not so sure we should lump in the pizza driver with all the other delivery drivers. Generally being a pizza delivery person is a decent first job and they usually work in the store too, and receive an hourly wage.

Not to say you shouldnt tip them, just not out of guilt.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It's not guilt, it's pity. It's a shitty job and they don't get paid well enough, so giving them a $5 tip helps them out.

And in a depressed economy like this town's, it may very well not be a first job. It may be someone who lost their decent factory job.

Rekorse ,

Its just awfully hard to make assumptions either way, I think is where I'm getting hung up. I could even see some people being upset that you pity them without actual reason to.

I'm not sure if its better to assume nothing or to pick a path really though.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Considering the website asks you if you want to tip them and gives you suggested percentages, I don't think anyone would feel that I was patronizing them by doing so. And honestly, if you get upset that someone is giving you money, you have a lot more wealth than any delivery driver I've ever heard of.

Rekorse ,

Its not the tip they wouldn't like, its the pity. You don't need to pity random strangers, you have no idea how their life is going.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I pity them because I pity anyone who is being paid shit wages. I don't know what Domino's pays but I know it isn't enough because big food chains do not pay good wages. It has nothing to do with their circumstances and everything to do with the company they work for not giving them what they deserve.

Also, they don't know that I pity them, so I'm not sure why it matters.

waz ,

Right, I agree with you there. I guess I should invert my question. If you're tipping the driver, what is the delivery fee for?

These two costs seem redundant.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I don't disagree.

scottywh ,

This is the only part of what you've posted in this entire thread that I agree with.

Wise up, man... You cost yourself a ton of extra money and came here to whine for sympathy and, deservingly, received none.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Really? You agree with Domino's charging twice what they did five years ago? You agree that you should be forced to use a coupon (again, something I did not know existed) when Domino's can obviously afford to charge less?

That's some real "hail corporate."

scottywh ,

They didn't charge you double.

You volunteered to pay double.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Was I supposed to call them and demand a cheaper pizza? Once again, if they can charge what they want to charge with a coupon, why can’t they just charge that all the time?

scottywh ,

You're supposed to not be a fucking idiot as you've been told repeatedly in this thread.

FlyingSquid OP , (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No, get it right. I’m not an idiot, I’m a liar. And a child abuser. And I’m lying about being sick for sympathy. Get with the program.

Edit: and a 46-year-old boomer, I forgot about that one.

scottywh ,

No.

You're a fucking idiot and a liar but I never said anything about child abuse.

Hell, are you trying to admit to being that as well though?

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Do tell me what I’m lying about. I do hope I get to post all the links about the huge con of me being sick and my amazing Mayo Clinic Photoshop that I worked so hard on again.

Also, I never said you called me a child abuser. I told you to keep up with everyone else who is telling me definitely true facts about my life.

scottywh ,

You should just delete this fucking shitpost ragebait really.

It's stupid.

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Stop paying your employees with this one weird trick

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

25 cm pizze for about 1000 roubles? What the fuck? I can order 30 cm for 580 roubles (about 6$). Maybe even cheaper from other source.

tarsisurdi ,

Wow that is outrageous. I paid the Brazilian equivalent for that amount yesterday on a 16 slice pizza with four different flavors and a white chocolate border + an 8 slice small sweet one from a local shop with delivery services and all.

No wonder these companies don’t see the financial benefit for bringing their operations to the country…

InFerNo ,

Any pizza can be a 16 slice pizza

tarsisurdi ,

That’s fair, but measuring the diameter of pizzas isn’t really something I do tbh and I don’t know the US equivalent of what we call “family sized” around here

tobogganablaze ,

Damn, I wish I had such cheap food prices.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

THAT'S CHEAP FOR YOU?!

tobogganablaze ,

Yeah, Switzerland food prices are insane.

A similar sized pizza with the same toppings would cost me at least $20

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

In Switzerland?! Oh, wait. Isn't that country not EU member? But even non-EU European countries it is too high. Take RUB(Russia, Ukraine, Belarus) as example. Quick search says prices are: 580 RUB, 18 BYR(BYN), 212 UAH.

zipzoopaboop ,

Then look at the price before confirming doofus

Burn_The_Right ,

OP is not complaining about accidentally buying something without checking the price. OP is very clearly complaining about insane inflation, which I will argue is completely manufactured by corporations, therefore warranting complaints from OP and the rest of us.

01011 , (edited )

I'm not a huge pizza person but paid $30 for a 9 inch from a pizzeria in Chicago a couple of months ago. It was tasty so I didn't mind but it did seem quite a bit higher than the last time I had pizza.

I'd never give Domino's that much for a pizza though, from what I recall their offerings are subpar.

state_electrician ,

The local pizza place, a restaurant, has pizza Wednesdays. Every 11" pizza for 7 Euro and you have to pick it up, so you don't have to tip anyone. That's the only time I order pizza.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

Inches and Euro? UK?

absentbird ,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

I think the UK still uses pounds for money. Pizza is one of those weird things that is frequently measured in inches even in otherwise metric nations.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

Huh. In former land of victorious socialism(or at least in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus) common pizza sizes are 25/26, 30 and 40 centimeters.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Yup, UK never went for the Euro. Brexit foreshadowing.

state_electrician ,

No, I just felt there were more Americans in this thread and I didn't want to upset them, so I converted 28cm into 11 inches. But I didn't feel that converting the price would make sense, because of cost of living, so I left it in Euro.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

Ah. Makes sense. Didn't want to scare them with units of liberté.

Carighan ,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

I live in one of Germany's largest cities, and while this is high, it's not outrageously high.

I guess to me what sticks out the most is the expected 20% surcharge for "tips" (that get collected by the bosses indirectly anyways as they just underpay their slaves enough to make up for the tips they're getting). That's not normal here. You tip for good service, if you pay in cash you also tip to round usually, and you tip if there's some other outstandingly positive thing about it. I really hate how in the US it's become so expected to tip, while also having fuck all protection for the delivery drivers, who ought to get a wage where tips are a bonus, not an expectation. It's just a delivery fee at this point, let's be honest.

Although I will also say that since I live basically next door to a Dominos, I always pick up, which is ~25%-30% cheaper than delivery. Plus no delivery charge, but that's based on distance I imagine.

NecroticEuphoria ,

German here as well. From the pizza place of my choice, I usually order a large pizza (36cm) and some extra pizza rolls. 22 Euros in total, delivery included. I usually tip around 10%, so rounded up 25 Euros.
And that's considered expensive where I come from. I remember it being way lower.

Vrtrx ,

Yeah sounds expensive to me. Also a German. 1 Pizza delivered is around 10€ that's it. But that wouldnt get me over the minimum delivery order though. Not a problem for me yet since I've never ordered a pizza only for myself

NecroticEuphoria ,

10€??? Like... same size? Is there anything wrong with it that it's so low?

Vrtrx ,

No, they are smaller. The largest size is 30cm which is enough for me though. The most expensive one with that size costs 11,50€. Another delivery place has 32cm ones. Most expensive there is 9,40€. There is nothing inherently wrong with them. They aren't from an Italian restaurant though and aren't the same quality you would get in a real restaurant. They still taste good and satisfy your pizza cravings though. Delivery is free too if you're over the minimum order balance.
From what I'd guess they are on the are more like those fast food pizza places like Pizza Hut or Domino's but I've ordered like maybe once from them so I'm not sure.

Maybe we both use deliveries differently. If I order something for delivery I don't expect Restaurant quality food.
If your pizza is from a Italian restaurant and is really well made/restaurant quality I see why it's so expensive.
For me delivery is more "fancy" than fast food but not as "fancy" as actually eating in a real restaurant

NecroticEuphoria ,

Oh, okay. No I don't order restaurant quality either, though still better than whatever Domino's throws at people.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

Where did rest 4 cm went from large pizza?

Cryophilia ,

I live in one of Germany’s largest cities

Yeah but this guy lives in Indiana.

I live in SF and this would be a pretty good price here but that literally doesn't matter at all. To someone in rural India this would be like a week's wage. Also doesn't matter.

You have to look at it in the context of its area's cost of living.

UmeU ,

I went online to place an order for pizza recently. Jets pizza. Everything was super overpriced and so one small pizza and 6 piece wings was $50 after tax and fees, not including tip which I usually do $10. So $60 for one person. I scoffed at the price then hit ‘submit’.

I was then hit with the ‘order does not meet minimum for delivery’. They had a $40 minimum which does not include delivery fee, tax, and tip - I was at $38 something.

I almost added some dipping sauce and sent it through but I felt so violated by the $40 minimum which was actually a $60 minimum that I just gave up.

ouRKaoS ,

The Jets near me closed. I miss that Detroit style deep dish 😞

arin ,

Their minimum saved you from giving their corporate executive a hard earned bonus for enacting that policy

UmeU ,

Yup. I deliberately avoid this place now and I am getting better at planning ahead so I am not in the position where I need to rely on overpriced delivery.

boatsnhos931 ,

If you want quality, as far as corporate pizza is concerned, jet's is your place. Otherwise little Caesars, Marcos, pizza hut, dominos is your bang for buck..I really like Papa Murphy's when I don't mind heating the kitchen up with the oven.

_tezz ,

Do you live in an uber-HCOL area? I ordered Jets the other day and it was not nearly this expensive... I just priced out a delivery for your order and it came to $34.07 w/ taxes and fees, less tip. Even opted for the bone-in wings.

UmeU ,

$5 is a pretty cheap tip for a delivery driver tbh

Hawk ,

It's an insanely high tip

UmeU ,

Someone drove you some hot food and you give them $4? You’re like Steve Buscemi in reservoir dogs.

Alexstarfire ,

Because a tip is meant to be extra. Not their entire pay.

UmeU ,

I wish I lived in a country where this was the case.

They are paid a base minimum wage plus tips to drive their own vehicle around all day, paying for their gas, insurance, frequent oil changes and tire wear, putting miles on their car further depreciating the value… the whole point of being a driver is for the tips. Even when people tip well the drivers are mostly taking a loss with the usage of their own cars.

Cryophilia ,

And also when you say "minimum wage" it's actually less than the legal minimum wage, because our regulators have been systematically gutted for decades.

Hawk ,

I pay my delivery drivers exactly 0 tips. They're paid a living wage, no tips needed.

UmeU ,

In the USA the delivery drivers live off of the tips… it’s not just high school kids working a summer job. A lot of drivers are working a second job to support their families.

If you live in a major metro area in an apartment building, gain yourself a reputation for tipping decently and you won’t have to leave your apartment. Tip poorly and you will have to meet them down on the street.

It’s not something I voted for, this social contract existed long before I was here.

If I had a vote to abolish the tip system, I would. In the meantime I make sure to tip decently so that the person who gave me service can keep a roof over their head.

badcommandorfilename ,

NO! I don't think you understood at all!

Someone else hired a person and paid them 3.49 to drive hot food around.

Then a customer, who also paid the first person paid the driver more than their employer did.

If I could slap you over the internet right now I would.

UmeU ,

You want to slap me because I wanted pizza and then I also wanted the person who drove the pizza to my apartment to also be able to afford pizza?

I don’t condone the system, this is simply the pizza system that exists where I live.

badcommandorfilename ,

The slap was because you were blaming the person who actually contributed more to the driver.

The correct response is: Wow! The delivery fee was only 3.49! How do they expect someone to work for such a pathetic wage!

UmeU ,

Jokes on you… the delivery fee doesn’t go to the driver. Only the tip goes to the driver. That’s how fucked up this whole situation is.

Cryophilia ,

It's not a high tip, it's just a very low wage. So proportionally, sure, the tip is very high, but the root issue is criminally low wages.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It was 20%. How much should I have tipped?

UmeU ,

I’ll put it this way… for dine in tipping, 20% is fine. If you order a cheap meal by yourself at a restaurant, that $4 tip on a $20 meal is fine. The server probably didn’t have to spend more than a few minutes with you.

If you are a table of 5 with a bunch of drinks and a $200 tab, the server probably earned their 20% of $40.

For delivery, a flat rate makes more sense. If someone delivers 3 pizzas and some wings for $100, did that take much more effort than delivering 1 pizza for $20? Same number of steps taken, miles driven, gas used, time used, etc.

$8 to $10 makes sense for doorstep delivery in todays economy. $5 was fair pre-pandemic.

If you are getting a whole bunch of stuff delivered then I can see justifying a bigger tip, but probably not percentage based.

A $4 tip on delivery means the driver is taking a loss or maybe breaking even. They shouldn’t have to suffer because you had a small order.

The service you receive for delivery is not as directly correlated with the total ticket amount as much as dine in might be.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I was given four options for a tip: 10%, 15%, 20% and custom. I gave the maximum offered. Now you're berating me for not giving more?

20% has been the tipping standard in the U.S. for decades now. For everyone who gets tipped.

So I have no idea where you're getting this from or why you're berating me for doing what was expected. Maybe berate everyone else who orders pizzas too and not just me since you're one of the only ones tipping more than 20%.

UmeU ,

I’m not beating you, take it easy.

Ask some delivery drivers in any major metro / high COL area in the US.

Flat rate tipping for delivery is a lot more common than you might think; things have changed in the last 4 years.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I'm in Indiana and not in a major metropolitan area.

Which I also said in my post.

UmeU ,

While the dollar amount I suggested is particularly applicable to metro / high col areas, the concept still applies. The same expense/effort on behalf of the driver exists for a $30 delivery as with a $130 delivery.

The same cannot be said for dine in.

Flat rate for delivery, percentage based for dine in is a sensible solution which I didn’t come up with myself. More sensible of course is fair pay which negates tipping altogether but we aren’t there yet.

If small town Indiana is a particularly low cost of living area then maybe $4 is a fair tip. But where I am from, $4 doesn’t last five seconds anymore.

If it takes them 20 minutes to bring you your pizza, then go back to the shop, then at best they are making $12 per hour minus the mileage and gas and other expenses they incur driving their own vehicle… it’s a real shit job that can only be made better by decent tippers, until such a time comes that tipping is abolished (I won’t hold my breath).

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn't take them 20 minutes to bring me my pizza because, again, I'm not in a major metropolitan area. It takes less than 10. I can get half way across town in 20 minutes.

Christ.

UmeU ,

I’m sure you’re right, those pizza delivery millionaires have us all fooled, but not you my friend.

In all seriousness… if $12/hour after expenses is a livable wage in bumfuck Indiana then that is not representative of the rest of the US.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Jesus Christ, the person got tipped $5 for driving less than 10 minutes to deliver a pizza order, again the maximum amount suggested, and you think that makes me stingy.

Maybe blame Domino's for suggesting I "only" tip $5 on a $30 order at maximum and, like, all the other people who tip far less than that, if at all rather than tell me I'm letting pizza delivery drivers live in poverty.

Also, I would hope they were delivering more than one pizza an hour and were getting tipped by others too.

UmeU ,

Chill, I conceded that $5 might be good in bumfuck Indiana. I didn’t call you stingy. I more or less just said that $5 seemed kinda low in this economy.

I am really only pushing the merits of the flat rate for delivery and percentage for dine in. The dollar amount of that flat rate can certainly be location adjusted.

I’ve noticed a lot of coffee shops have flat dollar amount tip suggestions lately, not percentage based. Your local pizza joint should try this.

That said, in bumfuck Indiana they probably are only delivering one or two pizzas an hour on average, so maybe $5 is stingy (:

Don’t take that last part too seriously, it is intended as a comical statement.

Thcdenton ,

I feel ya homie. I went from takeout everyday to diving in my freezer for whatever shit I got.

Cryophilia ,

The "I eat out every day" people amaze me. How? It's SO EXPENSIVE! Even before the recent inflation.

Thcdenton ,

It's a habit I learned from my dad 🤷‍♀️

bitchkat ,

Next time buy her a large 1 topping and pick it up for $7.99.

Cryophilia ,

Yeah the delivery stuff was a quarter of the price at least, and depending on how they ordered it the base prices could have been inflated too.

stinerman ,
@stinerman@midwest.social avatar

Most people have already pointed it out, but I must say, I don't recall the last time I ordered pizza and didn't use a coupon.

Chozo ,
@Chozo@fedia.io avatar

Those mailer coupons are the only reason I ever order a pizza delivery anymore. The cost of delivery fees, tips, and the food itself keeps going up and it's becoming harder to justify the purchase unless I'm getting a significant discount somehow.

I used to order pizza fairly frequently, too. Like once every 2-3 weeks or so. But it's just so expensive now, I think it's been probably 3 years since I've ordered one.

then_three_more ,

Even with an insane 20% tip I don't think you've worked it out right. A 20% tip on the food (because why would you tip on a service charge??) comes to 4.09

TempermentalAnomaly ,

Yep. He tipped on top of the delivery charge and taxes. I it was 20% tip button that doesn't isolate food.

then_three_more ,

Lol that's so bad.

arin ,

By design, they know most Americans suck at math

UmeU ,

If you can tip a delivery driver $4 with a straight face I feel bad for you. $8 minimum for direct-to-doorstep food, regardless of the cost of the food.

then_three_more ,

You yanks are crazy with your attitude to pay.

UmeU ,

I didn’t say I like it, I just said that is the right thing to do.

then_three_more ,

Only because you live in a country where they don't pay people properly.

UmeU ,

Yes, that is correct.

Also the drivers use their own personal vehicles so they experience all the extra wear and tear, fuel costs, more frequent tire and oil changes, etc.

It really is unfair which I why I make sure to tip decently.

then_three_more ,

So, you're supporting the unfair system.

UmeU ,

I exist within the system. If I want a service which customarily involves a tip, that’s a part of what I signed up for.

Show me the legislation to abolish tipping while requiring employers to pay a fair wage and I’ll sign it.

Until then, if one wishes to receive a food delivery in the US, It’s sort of implied that you agreed to tip.

Giving a shit tip to a hard working poor person because you don’t like the tipping system isn’t the solution imo.

then_three_more ,

I thought yanks were all for the free market, tipping is the oppositeness to this as it negates the free market whereby companies complete with wages and benefits for staff.

UmeU ,

There are only like 5 companies now so the free market is broken.

They collude to keep us poor enough to not revolt, but ‘rich’ enough to keep buying their crappy products.

If they take everything we have we won’t have anything left to give them. It’s a delicate balance that they seem to have mastered as they write our legislation.

Tipping is just another way for the corporations to reduce the overhead by having the customer pay the wages of the employee directly, reducing both the budget for salaries and also the reducing ancillary expenses like unemployment insurance and employer wage withholding, occupational privilege tax, etc.

Also, I like being called a yank. It feels old timey and kind of makes me think of masturbation.

The labor market is so fucked we have phd’s competing for a job at McDonald’s.

then_three_more ,

Tipping is just another way for the corporations to reduce the overhead by having the customer pay the wages of the employee directly, reducing both the budget for salaries and also the reducing ancillary expenses like unemployment insurance and employer wage withholding, occupational privilege tax, etc.

It also makes these jobs falsely competitive against other "unskilled" jobs where tipping isn't the norm.

MagicShel , (edited )

Us yanks aren't all for anything. I've certainly become quite disillusioned about the free market over the past 40 years or so.

But in fact, free market principles suggest we would have tipless alternatives where workers make fair wages and the market could decide to reward those businesses or not. We do not have such alternatives and the market has failed us before the question is even properly posed.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

I think you are using wrong tool for this problem.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

Right thing to do is raise minumum wage.

UmeU ,

When that happens, if they raise it high enough to actually do away with tipping, then that’s great. Until then, hard working poor people need their tips.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

Preferably in cash.

Cryophilia ,

Depends on your area.

When I was a delivery driver I'd refuse anything less than $20 total, which meant about $18 of tip.

UmeU ,

$18 is a bit much, but I have 10 downvotes that say $8 is too much, so who am I to judge.

Cryophilia ,

It just meant bigger / more expensive food orders.

Delivering $100 worth of food takes almost exactly the same effort as delivering $10 worth of food, but the difference in tips is huge.

scottywh ,

20% tip is not insane.

then_three_more ,

It's double what's standard to tip for good service.

scottywh ,

Nowhere is the standard only 10%.

It's been 15% for average service and more for "good" or exemplary as the standard for the half century I've been on the planet.

You Europeans are something else, man.

then_three_more ,

You Europeans are something else, man.

Lol because we expect companies to pay people properly rather than expecting customers to top it up.

Tipping is immoral as it allows companies to underpay. Tipping is anti free market as companies should be competing for staff through their remuneration packages.

The thing I've never understood about tipping culture in general and especially the American culture around it is why some low paid staff get it and some don't.

Why do you tip your food delivery driver and not the guy delivering your Amazon package?

Why do you tip your wait staff, but not your supermarket checkout assistant?

scottywh ,

No, because you like to lie to yourselves that you're superior and that your model is what is best and the same as everywhere else is or should be.

It's delusional masturbatory bullshit.

(Speaking from experience as someone who has actually done both jobs) it's primarily because the Amazon driver is paid more fairly... Notice I didn't say they're paid fairly, just more fairly... But also because there's no expectation of interaction with the Amazon driver.

Regardless of your beliefs on morality you don't have some moral high ground to preach to anyone based simply on where you were born and the customs that your culture chose to adopt before you were.

Get over yourself.

aesthelete ,

FYI the value size pizza is almost always the largest one they have.

CubitOom ,

I was just talking to my friends about this and the related food theory video on pizza chains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT4AffJJugs

I might also recommend instacart from a restaurant supply store like restaurant depot. You can find a lot of interesting things there in the frozen section.

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