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KonalaKoala ,
@KonalaKoala@lemmy.world avatar

At least it is not "Enshittification Continues: Lemmy to begin showing advertisements on it's fediverse platform"

seriousconsideration ,

I heavily decreased my usage of Discord when I was lowkey doxxed by a user on a server that I never posted a single ounce of personal information to.

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

skype > discord

spyd3r ,
@spyd3r@sh.itjust.works avatar

The internet should have just stuck with IRC

empireOfLove2 OP ,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Old Skype, maybe, but then again even old Skype was a buggy horrible mess.

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

shut the fuck up

empireOfLove2 OP ,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

??????

DreamlandLividity ,

Well I am finally ahead of the curve. I mostly stopped using discord after I learned of their horrible privacy practices and braindead statements on e2e encryption.

Long live Matrix!

recapitated ,

Matrix works pretty good.

seriousconsideration ,

I installed Element yesterday, and the UI is similar enough to Discord that it would probably be easy to make the switch, but who uses Matrix and is there a way to find communities?

penfore ,

Some time ago I was involved with GNOME applications and they use it. I have used Discord only for game chatting. So I guess we all need to create servers for our friends to join.

MacNCheezus ,
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

Well, that's what you get for letting a private company replace and open protocol with a proprietary solution because it's easier to use and has some cute emojis.

UPGRAYEDD ,

I dono what people expected. Discord costs money to develop and run. It was always just a matter of time before it cost money.

summerof69 ,

Investors, who made Discord possible, want to earn money. It's totally understandable.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

The users (the people generating the profit for iNvEsToRs) deserve better.

summerof69 ,

The hate for successful people here is ridiculous. Neither Discord nor its investors owe you a world-class service with private servers, video calls, screen sharing, voice calls, and many other features for free. The market operates on mutual benefit: you get the service, and the owners get the money. Those who complain about businesses aiming to be profitable are lunatics.

5too ,

This isn't hate for the investors, but for what they've pushed for. Discord was already profitable, this is just driving enshittification; per the article.

Adanisi ,
@Adanisi@lemmy.zip avatar

I honestly don't understand why the people who do bugger all for services should be catered to just because they have shares or whatever.

5too ,

I would rather say it’s “predictable”, rather than “understandable”. Perhaps even, “no better than we can expect”. Calling this “understandable” tends to normalize greed for greed’s sake.

MilitantAtheist ,

Anyone tried revolt.chat?

tb_ ,
@tb_@lemmy.world avatar

On a glance it seemed to work well enough.

There's also Matrix chat, which is federated.

qaz ,

Yeah, functionally it's much more similar to Discord. It's a shame it isn't federated.

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

What does being federated give it?

qaz ,

It means users aren't dependant on a centralized service provided by the developers themselves.

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

That doesn't really answer the question since anything that is self-hostable already meets your criteria even if it's not federated.

qaz ,

It's a communication platform. People are forced to use the same host if they want to communicate on a non-federated platform.

The_Tired_Horizon ,
@The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world avatar

Well I guess its done its job for the US Government. Funding has obviously stopped.

CaptKoala ,

What do the Lemmings recommend as a replacement for discord?

I'm happy to revert back to teamspeak if need be, I heard it's app recently got an overhaul (or at the very least a facelift).

I'm disgusted (though not shocked, I fucking called it years ago), that discord would go down this rabbit hole being that their main demographic is gamers. The stats are in, gamers (among every other living being) hates ads.

In fact, I pay for YT music because I think it's good value, but ive never once had YT premium, and I haven't seen an ad on their site for close to a decade now. (Still no pihole, that's likely next).

To circle back, if possible Lemmings, I would like to find a discord replacement that my folks would be willing to install/try out. I've got a couple people who have said "hey man, find a better spot and we'll tag along", however I have yet to find a suitable replacement on my own time.

FiniteBanjo ,

Matrix.org has some Discord Clones that you can even self-host if that is what gets you off. Personally I'm planning to use their "Bridge" software to move everything from my old Discord channel to a private database but I have never maintained a database so it is currently safely on the backburner.

revisable677 ,

I'd say Matrix / Elements is a good alternative.

It's based on an open and interoperable protocol, similar to the fediverse. So it doesn't matter the client, as long as your friends are on something that support Matrix they'll be able to join the group.

As an added bonus, if elements start going down the enshittification path you can just drop them. Also, you can host your server just like teamspeak

CaptKoala ,

Appreciate the response, I'll give matrix and elements a look-see.

Unfortunately I'm the only among the group that interacts with(or even knows of) the fediverse and it's associated softwares, so I expect there to be some drama involved, hopefully I can be the salesman they need.

pedroapero ,

Mattermost used to be the go-to alternative, not sure why it is not mentioned yet.
Then it looks like Revolt is getting traction now.

Muffi ,

Been happily off discord ever since the CEO's disastrous, anti-encryption speech at the "Protecting Children Online" hearing. Evil little dude, that guy is.

sturmblast ,

I just noticed this today.. I barely even use discord. Now I really don't like it.

ATDA ,

I'm down to distributed social networks and irc.

I still need to backup and cleanse Reddit but I'm just old man declaring everything turned to shit, yelling at clouds nowadays it seems.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Well, most clouds suck these days.

werefreeatlast ,

This is the future!

10 years from now....

I needed to go 💩 poop and I had to wait for a Home Depot ad before I could open the lid. I flushed but I had to learn about Spandex hot pants before the water rushed down.

Zibitee ,

Lol. I've seen a video in China of something like this. It's a public restroom that requires you to watch an ad accessed by QR code in order to get toilet paper. The future!

werefreeatlast ,

Oh man so the future is now!? That's crazy!

MNByChoice ,

In 2022, Discord had a revenue of $445 million. Maybe if they were a private company that would be enough.

https://www.businessofapps.com/data/discord-statistics/

corbin , (edited )

Revenue is not the same as income. Maintaining cross-platform apps and hosting nearly a decade of messages and media attachments is gonna eat into that. Also, Discord is in fact a private company.

Desistance ,

Google says storage is cheap. This is solely for profit.

corbin ,

That's not how hosting a platform works. The storage might be cheap per GB, but the database management for something on Discord's scale is a complicated and expensive feat of engineering: https://discord.com/blog/how-discord-stores-trillions-of-messages

MNByChoice ,

Correct. I did not locate a source for their expenses or profit margin. If someone can provide, I would be happy to update.

Dark_Arc ,
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I haven't given Discord a dime from the start because I knew this was going to happen.

The entire premise of Discord's free service was to gobble up the market from TeamSpeak, Ventrillo, and Mumble and capture the ecosystem using a ton of venture capital. In any sane world it would be an illegal mode of operation to provide "free service" based on venture capital like that.

TeamSpeak did manage to react but their reaction has been slow (I think they're a much smaller team and still a private company). Their new client is fairly feature complete but still not out of beta (AFAIK).

Mumble is an open source project and is still ticking as a result as well (though obviously it's received much less love since Discord stole the spotlight).

kinkles ,
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I haven't given Discord a dime from the start because I knew this was going to happen.

Glad you feel validated after… 7 years

Gestrid ,

If I'm not mistaken, they are a private company.

Granted, they're a private company with a goal of getting an IPO soon, though.

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