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My opinion on Bone conduction earphones

(Sorry if it's a miss, this community looked the most fitting)

After mentioning them somewhere in comments, I actually bought Shokz after years of sitting curious. There are a few brands that do them, so it doesn't matter what's the brand is. I bought what I've heard of and the cheapest model I could find at that.

So, what's the trick? As I'm cycling, walking and running a lot, I needed a headphone solution to be aware of my surroundings. They don't cover ears and don't actually emmit sound - they vibrate and make your bones serve as a membrane.

The obvious minus is that in a bus or other loud setting you can't hear shit. That's by design. And, logically but somehow absurdly, by shutting your ear with a finger, you can make yourself hear it okay. I did a full circle here, returning to the old headphones isolation problem, heh.

But what impressed me more, they do feel like some kind of a cyberpunk prosthetic. You can wear them all day and even the cheapest one that promises 6hr of activity lasts days on the idle. But as you call someone or watch a vid – here they are, with a little to no latency. Honestly, I feel like if there'd be implants, that's one of the basic ones we can try first. It's hands-free device with a bonus of being more stealthy and not isolating you from the world.

As a cheapskate audiophile who stayed with cords for a long time, I can say that the sound is okay. Keeping in mind that producers can't control the skull of a wearer, they can't nail the ideal sound, but I'm impressed with how nice IDM and metal plays on them - something akin to budget Senh, AKG and Audiotechnica. And unlike cheap Sony, they don't put up low freqs, that's a plus. BUT when I shared it with others, people in body reported less effectiveness due to thickness of skin and under-dermal stuff, so it's better to test it if you aren't skinny as a skeleton.

After being so open about plus sides, I'm to talk minuses. Since the software is proprietary, it doesn't have many controls and is very weird sometimes. As I bought a model that was for internal chinese market originally, it talked to me in Chinese, and it can only be switched to another language before any pairing, so only after unpairing I could've chosen English – and the same combination of button presses when paired was reserved to calling the last called number, so I fucked up a lazy weekend morning for a friend of mine calling them 4-5 times, damn it. Ah, and it supports dual pairing with a PC and a smartphone, but as I tested it this function worked weird and I sometimes manually disconnected them. Walking&working distance from a source device is around the second or third room, that fits most office and home listening cases. I could've probably wished for it to have an option to pick lesser distance since I don't usually have even a meter between my smartphones and them.

Ah, and going back to the bus problem - the obvious downside that you want to turn them to 100% volume that you don't feel, but your ears do. After the first day when I needed to move a lot in loud contexts and thus put them on max, I had a headache, because although I didn't register the volume, my head had a first row concert experience. So if you use these, keep that in mind too.

Have you tried them, is there a topic I haven't covered? As you can tell, I'm happy with them, so I would be biased. It's just with VR stuff, even from Apple, I feel like we underlook existing tech that already serves us as expander of our life experiences and powers.

geography082 ,

Have these Chinese devices been tested / approved by any reasonable governmental health organism?.

Dkarma ,

They're headphones not nukes. Calm down grandpa

geography082 ,

Don’t give Americans ideas dude, they will nuke away everyone’s head. Ah sorry they dead it already :D

Dariusmiles2123 ,

Well since it’s apparently something using your bones to conduct sound, I’d say it’s legitimate to ask if it’s safe or if it can lead to long term harm.

Same with all the waves emitted by phones, earbuds, WiFi, etc..

exanime ,

I doubt you could buy headphones today that are not "Chinese devices"

geography082 ,

Just add it designed in California and it is good

wagoner ,

Health organism? You mean a human being?

geography082 ,

No, hamsters

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

In this very post I pointed out that you don't register the volume if there's a loud noise around you, that can cause headaches. As people buy them from official stores, I guess they are as safe as usual headphones. And this problem is usually dealt with on source device's end – my chinese phone shows a notification if I exceed the recomended volume and if I use headphones for too long.

lapping6596 ,

I love my shokz. I first got them back when the brand was still called aftershokz. I live in the NE US and they can handle me running in the coldest, hottest, and wettest weather no problem.

To fix the main 'con' of sometimes wanting to close out the sound of the world I carry Loops Quiet ear plugs. Basically reusable silicon ear plugs.

iopq ,

I listened to them in the store. The sound is far from okay, bad bass, bad treble. It's like one of those airplane earbuds they give out for free.

I had a Chinese knockoff that I tried as well, it made my ears hurt because when you turn up the sound to where you can hear it, it's actually too loud and you will be hurting your inner ear

I just got a nice in-ear noise cancelling TWS with noise cancellation and I go to the gym. I listen to nothing when I need to be aware of the surroundings because hearing the outside noise actually reduces how well you can hear your music

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
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That's not for everyone, and I'm happy you've found your way. Thanks for writing that, so people can consider your POV too.

EvilBit ,

I would never use it for music except with no other option, but I find my OpenComm headset seems to be tuned incredibly well for voice. That’s my only use case: online meetings. It’s excellent for that, but I use other sets for anything I intend to enjoy.

capt_wolf ,
@capt_wolf@lemmy.world avatar

I had a pair I bought at big lots like 20ish years ago. They were pretty cool, but uncomfortable fitting around my big ass head. Positioning them was annoying and the sound quality wasn't the best. The novelty wore off and I wasn't using headphones nearly enough back then.

Lately though, I've been thinking about getting a pair again, as every time I put my sennheisers on, someone inevitably comes in to talk to me. Would be good at work for overnights too, where I have to be able to hear people out of their room/walking around. I'm sure the technology and fit has gotten better and I can afford ones that weren't on sale a big lots!

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
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As I said, you can use the cheapest on-brand pair, so you don't lose much if they won't be your thing. At least for Shokz, as I googled, they don't differ much - mostly by their standard of being water-proof and the battery. I'm looking forward to your experience with them, especially if you take the other brand or model. Good luck!

capt_wolf ,
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Yeah, I was looking at the Shokz, also some YouthWhispers that are rated pretty good and also on sale for 30% off. I think I'll bite the bullet and give them a try.

JoBo ,

How is the microphone for phone calls?

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
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I asked my friends a couple of times when we had calls and some Discord conversations. No problems reported even when I was on a windy street at that time. I'm yet to see the spectrogram of their input, but I listened to my voice messages and they were fine. Obviously, not an all-purpose mic that can record music, but with a range of freqs that covers our speech it works no worse than industry standard, with airpods, dots and others. I even used it, stealthly, to record some IRL talks, just in case, and the result was clear. Their not-very-noticeable nature helps it.

marcos ,

I guess it varies widely. The one in mine is a complete piece of shit, so I have it set to use only as headphones.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, probably makes sense to have s standard check for each model. I had a nice pair, but something else can be a completely different story.

TooLazyDidntName ,

People say they dont notice a difference between my shokz and my phone.

donio , (edited )

I've done many hours of phonecalls on mine. Mic quality is acceptable, slightly mushy. Wind is an issue for example when riding a bike at higher speeds. Wearing a hoodie over them can block the mic too.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I'm sure DankPods made a video about bone conduction headphones on YouTube. He tested 3 different models from different manufacturers and... well, he had quite a lot to say about them, especially when comparing them to sunglasses that are also headphones.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Can you post a link? There's a lot of bad and good stories about them in this thread. It'd be great if persons considering these devices would read them first.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar
andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Thanks for delivering it. I liked that vid, but surprisingly not only for comparison of different pairs, but for introducing me to headphoneXsunglasses device. This concept left me in LOLWUT state for minutes (:

uid0gid0 ,

I have the H2O Audio and they work pretty much the same. I got this pair for listening to music while I swim and they are fantastic for that. They last a long time on one charge and loading songs is easy as plugging it in to a computer. Another reason I got these is because occlusion sounds really bother me. I also carry some of those cheap foam earplugs for really noisy environments like plane flights. The foam earplugs don't have nearly the same occlusion sounds and they block enough noise that you can hear the induction.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Haven't heard of this brand. Sounds fitting for your usecase.

Loading songs – you mean they act as a player themselves?

uid0gid0 ,

Yes it has some storage built in, enough for about 10 songs. Water blocks em signals quite well so you couldn't use Bluetooth with any reliability in the water. The mic on these is garbage however, probably because of the waterproofing.

Poem_for_your_sprog ,

If it's Bluetooth then the sound is bad. But that's okay because these are what they are and serve a purpose.

WoahWoah ,

I like the Bose open ear buds, which is similar insofar as you can still hear everything around you, but it's not bone conduction. They basically cling to your ear and are just a small driver near your ear canal.

I like the sound and fit better than any bone conduction headphones I've tried, but I don't use these styles for swimming, which is the main advantage of bone conduction. For running, cycling, and just generally walking around in the world the Bose work great. For sitting and sound isolation, I use corded cans.

I also fall asleep with one or both on periodically because they're so innocuous. I roll like a log in water when I sleep, so they unclip at some point in the night, but they've never caused me and discomfort. I forget I'm wearing them most of the time.

weew ,

I played around with them, borrowing one from a friend.

They definitely have their use case, the most obviously being when you need to keep your ears open for traffic or whatever.

However, I felt that the sound definition was not great, especially for sharp sounds like cymbals. Everything felt a little muffled, and it couldn't hit highs or lows very well.

It's one of those "better than nothing" pieces of tech but not what I'd choose for pure listening enjoyment.

dexa_scantron ,
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They work better for podcasts than music. For music, they're better than a phone speaker but worse than cheapo earbuds in terms of sound quality.

jenny_ball ,
@jenny_ball@lemmy.world avatar

I've tried everything and in the end i always go back to the trucker Bluetooth headset. on one ear, the other ear is open. battery lasts forever. sound is good and the other side hears you good too. doesn't fall out of your ear. looks weird i guess but i think everyone wearing buds and stuff looks weird too.

MudMan ,
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Mileage may vary, but they tickle my ears when playing on high volumes. The sound quality also isn't great compared to similarly priced in-ears, let alone over-ears.

That said, they're great to use as a headset for work and videoconferencing and for other situations when you need to be able to hear.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, they suck compared to mid-range headphones from Senchs and alike, especially if you listen to quality recordings and rips. But for lower quality speach, streaming and youtube they are decent. And, excluding moments of me being at home and enjoying the new recording, they cover most of my daytime.

MudMan ,
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Yeah, they are a good thing to have around as a secondary for a bunch of situations where you're multitasking and need awareness but still want to hear an audio feed.

Which if you're an audiophile with a budget for audio stuff is fine, I like mine, no regrets. But if you're budget-conscious and just need one set of headphones that will do the job all around this tech is probably not your first choice.

TheTetrapod ,

This thread is wild to me as a shokz devotee. I use them for everything, no secondary set of headphones, music sounds good. I don't care about bass at all, though.

MudMan ,
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Like I said, I like them, but "I don't care about bass" is like saying "I like this monitor, I don't care about the color red, though".

Yeah, it's fine and if that's you I get it... but it's not a universally accepted take.

But hey, I used them as my main set for calls and podcasts and stuff for a while. They're fine. I just would get a good all-rounder first.

Plus there's the literal bone-tickling at high volumes. It's hard to get lost in the music with no bass AND the constant feeling that somebody is lightly dusting inside your cochlea.

snooggums ,
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The sound is a bit weak compared to full headphones, and the lack of bass is accurate. In a quiet settting they are a nice way to hear sound similar to a boom box aince tou can atill hear the stuff around you.

The one thing I don't like, which also affects the sound, is that without an adjustable back it sits kind of weird and lays down on my neck. If I hold it up slightly in the back it sounds far better than resting after movement.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
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I wouldn't call it a lack, more like lack of boosting these freqs for easy sells. I dislike the lack of mids and highs in budget headphones.

I did experience the latter as I wrote in another comment with high collars and caps. I wonder if they can make the wire softer. But I didn't encounter the problem with positioning, at least with my model.

iopq ,

There's a curve called the Harman curve which is the most common listener preference. It is based originally on measuring how headphones can reproduce flat frequency response speakers.

The bass boost in Samsung or JBL studio products is not "for easy sells", it's based on actual research on listeners.

There are three different bass preferences, one is a bass shelf at like 200Hz with a small boost, which is the most common, where two thirds of people like it. Another is flat bass which is preferred by older or female listeners, and even more bass is preferred by young males.

Not very many products have a huge bass for young male listeners since that's the smallest group. I think Sony over ears are the most popular product with a big bass

https://kuulokenurkka.squig.link/?share=Harman_2018_Target,WH-1000XM3_(ANC_ON)

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
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And there's a user with actual theory. Thank you.

minyakcurry ,

Excuse me, I see a fellow IDM enjoyer. Any recommendations for me?

7heo ,

I'm not one for labeling music in genres, so I'll write my answer in two parts: the "canonical" information, with artists documented as "IDM" artists on Wikipedia, and the "personal" information, which I think fits the so called "IDM" genre, but don't quote me on that, I wouldn't really know. This is "best effort".

Canonical answer:

Orbital, aphex twin, and boards of Canada come to mind, but that's more for the curious casual reader of this thread, as I'm sure you already know them. Also John Tejada, Carbon Based Lifeforms, Moderat, which are less known.

Personal answer:

I dunno if I would say that they fit in "IDM", but I really enjoy the music of the artist Siriusmo. Also (in no particular order, all this could be hit or miss for you, so don't dismiss it all because you don't like one) Sasha, Kaito, Ernest Saint Laurent, Vessels, Barker & Baumecker, and pretty much everything under the labels monkeytown and Kompakt (respectively based in Berlin and Koln). I'm not sure where the genre lines stop tho, so you might add Nick Warren, Phil k, Dave seaman, John Digweed, etc. to that. Labels renaissance (the British one) and Global Underground.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
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I'm a simple man, I put Shobaleader One Boiler Room live session on repeat and bathe in pure joy. It's Squarepusher's old hits but played with a band of his fellow musical maniacs who can make previously programmed polyrhitms look as easy as breathing. There's a lot of bright flashes, so be aware. Also, he himself plays a bass guitar, the usually overlooked instrument he himself uses a lot, and do it passionately.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=d-j_D-O1vwM

AbsurdityAccelerator ,

I love mine for listening to audiobooks at home. I can pause them and have a conversation with my family without having to take them off.

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