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Sparkles ,
@Sparkles@fedia.io avatar

Yeah I don’t know what to do with this. I’m about to start to start wfh and handle a lot of data that cannot be shared and comes with big fines for mishandling. I have to have office, mainly excel. Is Apple my only option? I know Linux exists, but I’m not a power user, I struggle with my printer.

Randelung ,

I would recommend a VM to try a few things. HyperV, while not the greatest, is good to start off and comes with Windows Pro. Set up a Debian or Ubuntu and a Windows VM and take away its internet. That should get you most of the way.

seanziepples ,

Is your company not providing you a computer? It's up to them to manage that risk.

Sparkles ,
@Sparkles@fedia.io avatar

I am going wfh and I have to use their one drive to access client data. They will provide a computer, but versus my home setup it’s simply not worth it. I saw the idea about virtual windows and Linux machine. I’ve never done it but I imagine I can with some trial and error. But I’m wondering if even that is safe.

seanziepples ,

What do you mean it's not worth it? If you use the company's computer it's on them to handle all the liability. If you use your own computer then you're now on the hook. It is 100% worth it to use the company-provided computer.

Sparkles ,
@Sparkles@fedia.io avatar

Basically, they provide a decent Chromebook. It’s nearly impossible given the actual tasks. So I need to find a better way.

seanziepples ,

That's not on you. I would communicate with management and illustrate that you can't do your job without a proper computer. If they refuse to help, get it in writing. You should not be held accountable.

Paragone ,

& Microsoft is sooo soft-in-the-head as to believe that we ought trust them, after this,

& the previous fiasco,

& the one before that,

& https://search.theregister.com/?q=microsoft+security+privacy&site=

( you may need to go through a few hundred pages there, to see it all )

This is their DNA: it isn't going to change, now.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

security issues as in its very existence?

RegalPotoo ,
@RegalPotoo@lemmy.world avatar

My 10 year prediction - Microsoft does a full transition to a services company:

  • Basic Windows is free, even for OEMs
  • Windows Professional becomes a subscription thing, maybe you get it as part of your Azure AD sub
  • Things like Recall or not having ads are extra subscriptions
Natanael ,

There were already rumors halfway between 10 and the release of 11 that they wanted to do it that way, making 10 the last "standalone" release version

chemicalwonka ,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

opt-in until next update when it will be enabled "magically"

xavier666 ,
@xavier666@lemm.ee avatar

Let me tell exactly what will happen.

  • Step 1 - It's opt-in. Everyone chill
  • Step 2 - It's opt-in but the opt-in button is advertised during startup
  • Step 3 - "opting in in crucial for your safety and comfort" advertised everytime during startup
  • Step 4 - it's opt-out now but it can be turned off in settings
  • Step 5 - it's opt-out but the off button is hidden below 3 layers
  • Step 6 - the opt-out button is gone but can be turned off with a registry edit
  • Step 7 - sorry, it's a core component of W11

We are currently at Step 1

This comment is taken from another lemmy post but I forgot the username. Apologies.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

If you don't opt in you will miss essential security updates and you will become a terrorist

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

I mean even if it is not mandatory but automatically enabled once, odds are %80 of the users won't even bother turning it off so win for windows in any case

yggstyle ,

As a reminder this was the go-to play for Facebook when they were caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Default it off until nobody's looking and change it slightly so it was named 'differently' and on it went again.

mechoman444 ,

I've been researching wine and proton for Linux. Fuck windows! The only reason I still use it is for gaming but if wine works as advertised I'll be switching to Linux.

AstralPath ,

Add Lutris to that list. If anything doesn't work in WINE, try installing via Lutris. My AxeFX's GUI now works flawlessly thanks to an older version of WINE running in Lutris.

chronicledmonocle ,

As someone who made the leap, I haven't booted Windows in months. Proton, Steam, and Lutris cover basically everything I play.

halowpeano ,

We're you already familiar with Linux or follow a guide? Lot of products I'm not familiar with there.

chronicledmonocle ,

Proton is the compatibility layer to run Windows games on Steam. Lutris is an app that lets you run non-Steam games in a similar manner.

I didn't really follow a guide. I mostly started by dual booting Linux and seeing what worked.

blahsay ,

Windows 10 will be the last I work on. I work in tech and won't accept 11 as a work environment either.

gnuplusmatt ,

Opt-in does not matter, if I message or email someone who has it on, my personal data has been collected without my knowledge or consent.

This shouldnt have been built in the first place, it's irresponsible

helpImTrappedOnline , (edited )

This raises an excellent point not considered. This goes for all texts as well if the other person uses the "your phone" app. Discord, matrix, signal, telegram etc are all compromised by this existing on a system.

Will my browser's "private mode" be respected or it is going to store every inappropriate thing I search?

Are password managers safe? How about bank security questions? How often are those actaully obfuscated. The last 4 digits of social security numbers are usually unobfuscated, which is also what a lot of intuitions (stupidly) use to verify your ID over the phone. What if I want to look at the PDF of my tax documents?

What if my HR manager has this enabled and starts viewing PDFs containing private information about employees, payroll data, finances and whatever else is sellable on the dark web.

How about govermnet data? Sure maybe the pentagon IT staff will completely block it, but what about local gov committee ABC that's collecting voter information?

That type of data is valuable enough that it will be targeted regardless of what protection MS attempts. Based on the fact they didnt bother encytping the data from the start, my faith is low.

The implications of this are insane.

squirrelwithnut ,

That's true of any malware on your contact's computer or an unsecure server, though. That is not specific or novel to this feature.

(I'm not saying I like this feature, or think it's a good idea. I don't, and it's not)

ober9000 ,

So what you are saying is, is that it's malware. I agree.

Cocodapuf ,

Ok, I'm gonna be perfectly honest, Microsoft recall, copilot, hello... I don't know what any of these things are. And I'm pretty sure I like it that way.

I do use Windows every day, (windows 10 and 7), but I haven't heard any reason to ever upgrade from these. All these "services" do not seem like a "value add" to me.

lemmyvore ,
  • Recall is a proposed feature that would screenshot the Windows screen periodically, OCR the screenshots and store the results. Ostensibly supposed to be a "remember things you did" feature for the user but suspected to be a data collection tool for Microsoft to train its AI systems. Security researchers have also warned that it puts users at significant risk if their computers are breached by malware.
  • Copilot started as a programming AI tool which used open source software off the popular development site GitHub as training for its AI and as source of code samples. It's already caused Microsoft to be sued because it offers code verbatim to users without mentioning or obeying its licensing. Nowadays Microsoft is expanding the Copilot brand to include other kinds of AI assistance, for example one that helps you write emails in Outlook etc.
  • Hello is an authentication method for Microsoft accounts using biometrics and TPM chips.
SkyNTP ,

What about the right to be forgotten? Where is that feature? Why isn't Microsoft making and marketing a version of Windows with something like "Windows Forget"?

I'll tell you why: no opportunity to double dip by collecting and selling your personal data.

HotsauceHurricane ,

Def considering fedora for my surface 7. Microsoft & their shit is unacceptable.

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/40145d80-c6f2-435d-a3ea-f7ca792a7d99.webm

HotsauceHurricane ,

Ive been using linux for like a year & a half !

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Sweet! I was just being funny with my GIF, but I do honestly love the OS ecosystem, and think that everyone will like it more than Windows if only they'd give it the proper opportunity.

HotsauceHurricane ,

Im running a manjaro+openbox disto called MABOX linux on my chromebook. It’s fantastic for the low spec nonsense machine. But def considering fedora for the surface. Its come a long way apparently.

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

I'm actually having issues with fedora silverblue not updating. It's pretty frustrating, but a risk I knew going into immutable. I don't have time right now to figure out a fix. Regardless, I would totally do fedora again and recommend it to nonbeginners. It's an awesome variant, even coming into it from debian-based distros with only cursory knowledge of dnf.

HotsauceHurricane ,

I feel ya.
I tried to revert back to kernel 6.7 from 6.9 and now my chromebook is being a turd.

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

Why the hell wasn't it opt-in from the beginning?

Stanley_Pain ,
@Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I like daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaata

-- Microsoft

random_character_a ,
@random_character_a@lemmy.world avatar

It'll be opt-in, till it isn't.

conciselyverbose ,

For the same reason it used an unprotected DB. Because they don't give a shit about your privacy or security.

RizzRustbolt ,

Losing all your government contracts can be a great motivator.

BombOmOm ,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

I'm really hoping this shit is banned on all government and corporate computers. But, with how poor IT competence is.....such a ban will be sporadic at best.

LEDZeppelin ,

Windows 10 will be the last windows I will use. Already switching to Linux at least part time to wean myself off of Microsoft

circuscritic , (edited )

I maintain one baremetal Windows install that gets fairly regular use. It's on a major OEM business class workstation with a legit Windows 10 pro license.

Recently, I had to wipe and reset and goddamn do they try and trick you into choosing all the worst spyware settings AND even if you successfully duck and weave past them, they'll just cheat and enable them, or reinstall shit like co-pilot during an update.

They just made me sign into that shitty M365 app to install a legit subscription of Office, and on the next reboot, it converted the local user account into an online user account.

Make no mistake, Recall is going to be enabled by hook, or by crook, for the vast majority of Windows 11 users in due time. No matter how many times they disable it, or opt out.

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@literature.cafe avatar

Yup. We’re back to the old days where Microsoft didn’t give a damn and enabled things by default.

It’ll take less than a decade before they get sued, yet again. By then, the penalty will be <5% of what they’ve made, but the merry go round will circle back and start all over.

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