Welcome to Incremental Social! Learn more about this project here!
Check out lemmyverse to find more communities to join from here!

moon ,

Finally some scifi bullshit he is spewing might actually lead to a good outcome

sounddrill ,

No need to follow the laws of physics anymore, it's losing us money!

Defaced ,

Wow, I fucking hate this guy the more he opens his mouth. He can seriously fuck off right now, if he thinks AI realistically needs him at this point he's sadly mistaken.

dezmd ,
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

OH NO, AI IS THE BLOCKCHAIN.

https://i.imgur.com/FRBka3R.gif

webghost0101 ,

So much for hoping ai was going to solve energy breakthroughs.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Got to spend energy breakthroughs to make energy breakthroughs?

Blackmist ,

Nvidia Execs: Did you say the price of GPUs should go up?

fne8w2ah ,

So will AI (or more accurately LLM) be the push needed to make limitless fusion energy a reality?

mriormro ,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

Obviously not. We’re being faced with an existential threat if we don’t secure alternative, sustainable forms of energy and even that threat isn’t enough to motivate our species.

Allero ,

Threat to existence is nothing compared to ability to hoard more money

datendefekt ,
@datendefekt@lemmy.ml avatar

So is AI the new Blockchain?

2deck ,
@2deck@lemmy.world avatar

Always was.

Mangoholic ,

Unlike the Blockchain it has an actual use tho.

dezmd ,
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

I bought pizza with bitcoin, haven't bought anything with AI yet.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a5141a11-c631-4cbe-b291-5d65b8ab0d0a.jpeg

afraid_of_zombies ,

I get daily use out of LLMs but haven't done anything with Bitcoin.

I want to use Bitcoin to buy cannabis and Soylent and have it arrive at my door via drone. Give me my better future

Kolrami ,

Give an LLM to a high school student and they could do something with it.

Try to explain block chain to an adult and watch them pretend to understand.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7515252/

nyakojiru ,
@nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Put them more and more taxes. They will stop for sure.

olmium ,

Not everyone will stop.

KillingTimeItself ,

hey guys, theres this thing called nuclear energy. It's pretty cool.

Holzkohlen ,

Massively subsidized and where do you put all the nuclear waste? Nuclear energy is dumb even without thinking about possible disasters. You are just falling for grifters who don't want us to use renewable sources of energy. And before you say it: no, nuclear energy is not green. You would know that if you actually googled for like 5 seconds, but it's easier to believe grifters promising "the one easy solution to solve all our problems", right?

JasSmith ,

Massively subsidized

Nuclear energy is four times cheaper than renewables when externalities like baseline generation are imputed: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0360544222018035?via%3Dihub

where do you put all the nuclear waste?

While more dangerous, the quantity of waste generated compared to all other forms of energy generation is very small. Storage is a solved problem, but you have probably read articles about a lack of storage in the U.S. This is entirely due to politicians' failure to agree on where to store waste. Despite the relative safety, no one wants nuclear waste stored in their "back yard."

And before you say it: no, nuclear energy is not green.

Nuclear energy generates zero CO2. Surely we can agree that this is the most pressing consideration in terms of climate change. If your concern is the nuclear waste, then I direct you to the growing problem of disposing of solar cells and wind turbines. Newer turbine blades, for example, are 40 meters long and weigh 2.5 tons. These cannot be recycled.

No matter how you cut the data, nuclear is an order of magnitude better than almost all other forms of energy generation. If our goal is to radically improve our environmental footprint while keeping the lights on even at night when it's not windy, then nuclear absolutely must be part of the mix.

Zeon ,

This guy knows his shit

mavu ,

Unfortunately he does only know how to misrepresent shit.
This is of course all bullshit, and at best outdated information that does not take the massively falling price of renewable energy into account.
Nuclear can be a transition helper, IF and only IF you already have running reactors.

max ,

We could’ve had those reactors if people didn’t say the same things you’re saying 30 years ago.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Let's see your data

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

Plant near me had a 1000% construction cost overrun and the company that owns it now is always threatening to shut it down if the state doesn't give them more money.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Power_Station

JasSmith ,

If we look at just Europe, Slovakia, Finland, and Belarus all brought new reactors online last year alone. There are another six reactors currently under construction, and another 33 planned. France and Sweden recently announced their strategic commitment to nuclear power for a variety of reasons.

One major technological breakthrough is Small Modular Reactors (SMRs). These are far more cost effective, very safe (the reactor shuts down in the event of loss of power and coolant), and require a much smaller footprint. Rolls-Royce is on target to deliver the first of these in 2030.

The example you provide is an example of poor governance, not an inherent limitation of the technology. There are also examples of poor governance regarding renewable energy all over the world.

Noodle07 ,

Will the reactors come with the little lady at the front?

afraid_of_zombies ,

Oh wow a government cost overrun. THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!

KillingTimeItself ,

mostly because nobody knows how to build a reactor properly anymore... Wonder why that happened.

Welt ,

Let's talk about the technology instead of the dumb word "nuclear". Thorium fission > uranium fission.

sizzler ,

Wierd spin you put on all of that.
Burn the solar panels and blades. Reclaim the energy in heat and its still way safer than nuclear waste.

afraid_of_zombies ,

You can't be serious, can you? First off you would need pretty higher temperatures to burn glass. Secondly the fumes and dust it would put out would be nasty.

sizzler ,

Yeah, still not radioactive nasty though. Don't get how you are all so naive. The only reason most countries have a nuclear program is so they have nuclear weapons.

afraid_of_zombies ,

You are right it isn't very radioactive and a lot harder to control, not like I designed air scrubbers for 4 years of my life or something.

The only reason most countries have a nuclear program is so they have nuclear weapons.

Citation needed.

A pity decades of OPEC propaganda has worked so well.

sizzler ,

Ahh you're not naive you are biased. Anything you say is effectively propaganda. Jog on.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Argument ad homunium.

sizzler ,

It's a valid point in this case and I'm not attacking your character, I have respect for engineers/designers especially when it comes to reducing pollution.
Rather I am attacking your position, which is not without bias, would you not agree on that?

afraid_of_zombies ,

If you mean that I am biased towards following evidence over feelings and like facts over propaganda then yes I am biased. Generally I am not convinced by "nuclear power bad because nukes bad and they are exactly the same according to a Jane Fonda movie I saw".

Nuclear power produces very little pollution and it is of manageable types. Once built it can pretty much outlast any energy source. It is very reliable and can produce energy at the same price for long periods of time. Renewables definitely have their uses and I would be happy if they displaced all fossil fuels.

sizzler ,

I totally agree with your second paragraph... but, I honestly worry about bad actors. We see it enough with war. I just don't trust other people to not use the leftovers or to destroy the reactors to not create massive damage. It's seemingly the nature of man.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Right except the kinda of plants that generate energy aren't the kinds that are good at making atomic weapons. What about Germany and Finland? Both have a strong nuclear reactor program. Do you worry about them starting a nuclear war?

I am more worried about soft power. Everyone knows nuclear war is suicide. You know what is not suicide? Using Twitter to break up the EU, hacking a server so you can embarrass a candidate you don't want, funneling money to get the mafia connected candidate you want in. With about as much money as a small city budget has Russia managed all that. Nukes are so 1950s.

KillingTimeItself ,

The only reason most countries have a nuclear program is so they have nuclear weapons.

The only reason most countries have a nuclear program capable of generating plutonium products is to build nuclear weapons*

FTFY

KillingTimeItself ,

you put the nuclear waste in a hole, deep underground, after burning most of it up. Modern gen 4 designs can burn the vast majority of existing waste products down to a much more reasonable time span.

Nuclear energy is vastly more green than, coal, gas, petro, etc... Currently arguably more sustainable than massive amounts of solar and wind energy. Wind in particular has a massive waste issue, solar, it's more complicated but there are a lot of precious metals involved and heavy refining done. It's not a zero emissions industry either. The actual production of electricity IS net zero, unlike coal, petro, and gas, which still powers the majority of our grids. Please continue to explain to me how fossil fuels are better than funny green rock.

You're also accusing me of knowing nothing about nuclear, which is funny, considering i have quite the autistic hyper-fixation on it. And know vastly more about it than the average person. Judging by your response, you're probably not in the field of nuclear energy either.

Nuclear is a technology we know how to build, understand how to operate safely, and are capable of doing correctly. The only thing we need, is more nuclear plants.

Welt ,

Thorium molten salt reactor

KillingTimeItself ,

love a good thorium based metal cooled reactor

afraid_of_zombies ,

Can't do it. Makes the boomers wet themselves. Jane Fonda made a movie about it after she got back from aiding and firing on US troops.

Holyginz ,

Might be because it's a LLM not an AI and requires massive amounts of data to be funneled into it to actually work. My admittedly limited understanding of it makes it seem like it's just another buzzword for things like neural networks and machine learning.

snake_case_guy ,

We've only been doing nested if statements, but in a more complex manner.

absentbird ,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

If you think about it, a transistor is a bit like a hardware if statement, it's if statements all the way down.

fidodo ,

LLMs are a specific application of neutral networks which utilize machine learning.

Meowoem ,

If those 'buzzwords' aren't ai then what do you think ai is? It's like saying circle and square aren't shapes they're buzzwords

afraid_of_zombies ,

Circles are just marketing hype. Now ovals are a thing, and you can buy some pretty neat ones.

bc1 ,
@bc1@lemmy.l0l.city avatar

Subsidize retrofitting the entire nation with solar and invert it back into the grid

OldWoodFrame ,

The positive thing there is that it probably paces our development. If we can't get to true AGI without way more energy than we can currently produce, then we don't have true AGI risk right now.

There's still risk because it might not be true or we might be able to get close enough to do damage. But slowing down AI is fine by me.

stoly ,

I love when people invent something then complain about how dangerous it is. It really hits you in the feels.

Holzkohlen ,

In the end, as always, it will only benefit the companies. And all the people get is put out of a job because they have been replaced by some piece of software no one even understands anymore.

helpmyusernamewontfi ,

wasn't the same thing said about ATM's? and then it created the need for banks to hire more employees?

iirc, technology/robots has only been able to create more jobs, right? or am I misinformed?

stoly ,

The difference is the type of the job. Do we want to make jobs available for the general population and requiring minimal training, or do we want to make jobs available only for those with very difficult-to-get engineering degrees?

Meowoem ,

This is a silly take, people have benefitted hugely from all the big tech developments in the past and will do from ai also - just as you have a mobile phone that can save and improve your life in a myriad of ways so you'll have access to various forms of ai which will do similar. GPS is a good example, functionally free and making navigation far safer, faster, and better.

Here's a genuine already happened use case for ai benefitting you, an open source developer was able to add a whole load of useful features to their free software by using AI to help code - I know because it was me, among many many others.

I know people making open source ai tools too and they're all using AI coding assistants - mostly the free ones. I've seen a lot of academic researchers using AI tools also generally built using open source tools like pytorch and with help from ai coding tools. Even if you don't use ai yourself you're already benefitting from it, even if you don't use open source software the services you rely on do.

Imagine being able to implement the most advanced and newest methodologies in your design process or get answers to complex and niche questions about new technology instantly. You buy a printer for example and say to your computer 'I've plugged in a printer make it work' and it says 'ok, there isn't a driver available that'll work with your pc but I've written one based on the spec in the datasheet, do you want me to print a test page?'

Imagine being able to say 'talk me through diagnosing a fault on my washing machine' and it guides you through locating and fixing the fault, possibly by designing a replacement part and giving you fabrication options.

Or being able to say 'this website is annoying, change it so that I only see the video window' or 'make a playlist in release order of all abba songs that charted' or 'check on currently available archives to see if there's a mirror of this deleted post' or 'check all the sites and see if anyone posted a sub version of the next episode of this anime' or 'Keep an eye on this lemmy community and add any popular memes involving fish to my feed but don't bother with any meta stuff or aquatic mammals' or 'this advert says I can make free money, is it ligit?'

The use cases that will directly benefit your life are almost endless, natural language computing is a huge deal even without task based solvers and physical automation but we also have those too so the increased ability of people to make community projects and freely shared designs is huge.

Unpigged ,

So why won't he use the AI to discover one?

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

They did, kinda.

Just apply it to generating energy and not just storing it.

Holzkohlen ,

All the "AI" can do is string together words actual humans have written. Those ChatGPT bots don't think.

afraid_of_zombies ,

As opposed to humans who think all the time. Florida for example.

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • •
  • technology@lemmy.world
  • incremental_games
  • meta
  • All magazines
    •