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TexMexBazooka ,

They also have fields of decaying vehicles that were built solely to take advantage of the subsidies

Neon ,

idk why you're being downvoted, you're absolutely right lol

Chinas EVs are not built to standard and are used in majority to grab cheat the Central Government for subsidies

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

BYD would eat the market alive if they sold their EVs here solely on price.

Tristaniopsis ,

Bite Your own Dick.

ItsMeSpez ,

As a professional car reviewer, I couldn’t travel to test-drive interesting cars during the early pandemic, so I did the next best thing: went to the website Alibaba, and bought a Changli. After I paid $2,000 for shipping and customs, the car arrived at my doorstep months later in a massive cardboard box.

But if you’re hoping that you might be able to buy these cars like you do so many other Chinese-made gadgets, keep dreaming.

Duke_Nukem_1990 ,

I want a car without spyware.

WanderingVentra , (edited )

Even American cars have spyware. Not sure what your choice is there. At this point, I'll settle for cars with physical buttons for climate and other commonly used controls.

Narauko ,

Even American cats have spyware.

And they have since the 1960's: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty

WanderingVentra ,

That typo was totally worth learning about this

meliodas_100 ,

Lmao.

trackcharlie ,

This is a ridiculous propagandist article.

Buddahriffic ,

It might be, but with the state of EVs in North America (or the auto industry in general), it could also be true.

Not that I'm holding my breath. China is certainly capable of competing with the half-assed efforts seemingly more intended to prove that EVs are bad than actually sell them, but I also wouldn't put it past them to make their cars into even worse spy devices than the other companies have made them into. The only reason I think this might not be the case is they'll get a lot of attention from people specifically looking for stuff like this. But if they include any kind of connectivity features that those security people give a pass on, then future updates can add in the spying stuff later.

I really just want a car that isn't capable of connecting with anything other than a charger, which then only uses the data connection to manage the charging, and payment is managed separately. Even those code readers could be bypassed by just showing that information on the dash display, though I will give a reluctant "this feels like you're just making people spend extra money to do maintenance/repairs" pass for that connection.

I'd prefer a basic connection to my phone, too, like just audio, since a full connection could use the phone to send data home.

AtmaJnana ,

"Best"?

[X] Doubt

buzz86us ,

I want a nice cheap basic car without all the nonsense, and 250 miles of range plus battery swap. Neta V fits the bill

kawa ,
@kawa@reddeet.com avatar

Another day, another CCP shill post. Tomorrow you'll tell us about their beautiful human rights handling I hope.

Randomgal ,

Or maybe the West is just not the be all end all in all aspects of society?

maness300 ,

Eh, it's more the dumbing-down of America starting to take effect.

It's always funny seeing you people comment almost instinctively on anything that's positive about china.

kawa ,
@kawa@reddeet.com avatar

I'm French, try again

maness300 ,

Umm... your nationality has nothing to do with it.

You should pay more attention in English class.

Neon ,

wow, you sure are a nice Person.

  1. yes it does. The Dumbing-Down of America has no Effect on a Frenchie.
  2. I wanna know how many Languages you speak, because it's very well possible he speaks 3 completely different Languages (French, German, English). So how about you get your Attitude checked and stop being an Arrogant A**hat
Inui ,

It's frankly bordering on racism that any amount of positive words for Chinese people or their accomplishments gets you labeled a "CCP shill". Is every Chinese friend I made in uni a shill for having nice thoughts about their previous school and hometown?

kawa ,
@kawa@reddeet.com avatar

Stop talking to strawmen plz

Inui ,

What part is the strawman? The Atlantic is an American magazine. Its an opinion piece by a guy who runs another car review and discussion website that is full of articles about non-Chinese cars. The person who posted it has posted a variety of articles about tech from all over the world, including Tesla. Where is the shill?

maness300 ,

He doesn't understand the words he's using or other people's arguments.

Apparently he's French and didn't pay attention in English class.

Neon ,

At least he isn't as arrogant as you are

angstylittlecatboy ,

This just isn't a CCP shill post. Western and Korean companies simply refuse to sell an EV that isn't a luxury car, and Japanese companies seem to be trying to get out of making EVs period. The only one I could name, Chevy Bolt, got the axe last year.

Like, I look like an American Nationalist next to most Lemmy users (you could say I am in a way, but not in the conventional right-wing flag waver way.) But BYD coming to America would fill a need, even if the cars actually suck. Teslas suck, but they still sell, and there are alternatives to Tesla.

BlackSkinnedJew ,

Everything fine at home? Do you really believe the west it's far better at human rights? Really?

kawa ,
@kawa@reddeet.com avatar

Yes.
Say something that Xi doesnt like ? Staright to jail/brainwash camp. Say something about Biden being senile ? Laughs on Twitter.
Tell me which is worse.

lemmyingly ,

I've recently driven a brand new 2023/2024 Maxus T90EV. It had 15 miles on the clock when I drove it. These are the problems I experienced with it and these aren't even touching on my preferences like I thought the seats were uncomfortable, or that regenerative braking is quite aggressive and can't be changed. So I doubt China EVs are going to take over, not in 2024 at least.

  • Auto lights didn't work
  • Auto wipers didn't work
  • Intermittent wipers didn't work
  • Rear view camera was really poor quality
  • Infotainment system crashed, where I had to walk away from the vehicle with it still in its crashed state. At some point it finally turned off and worked again on the next drive
  • Bluetooth audio kept crashing
  • Infotainment system is really basic
  • Shudders when driving on the factory set speed limiter
  • No driving aids like cruise control or driver defined speed limiter
maness300 ,

I feel bad for everyone who takes your word at face value.

Anyone can type anything on the internet. Just keep that in mind, folks.

lemmyingly , (edited )

It's my honest experience. Why do you speak negatively towards me?

Proof: www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCi1q-m2TFk

TexMexBazooka ,

Kind of a dumbass comment there my guy

maness300 ,

Lol, found the guy who believes everything he reads on the internet.

lemmyingly ,

You're clearly being a troll.

maness300 ,

Uhh, no.

Nommer ,

Yikes

Gazumi ,

It is fascinating to read assessments of the new Chinese industry based upon comparison to lowest budget small enterprise items bought 5-10 years ago. Wasn't this originally the same said of Japanese watches and cars? Tesla has zero long tern reliability data and lots of concerns about their failures to step up to repair faults. With electric cars, everyone is at the same point for development, except the Chinese, who have been at it longest

slaacaa ,

The amount of Chinese propaganda around EVs is astounding

Inui , (edited )

The Atlantic is an American magazine. Its an opinion piece by a guy who runs another car review and discussion website that is full of articles about non-Chinese cars. The person who posted it has posted a variety of articles about tech from all over the world, including Tesla. Like I asked another user, what part is propaganda? Are Chinese people just never allowed to speak positively about anything they do? Because that's the implication of these off-topic posts.

0ops ,

https://www.theautopian.com/author/jtorchinsky/

BigPotato ,

I would like an electric 2004 Dodge Neon...

Does China have that? Not like in build quality, I know they're trash, just that exact car.

max ,

Though not Chinese, there are companies nowadays offering conversion kits for older, ICE cars. Electric Twingo, here I come!

buzz86us ,

That's already coming down the Pike

Zorque ,

Considering how much respect China has for western intellectual property... probably. Somewhere.

CyberDine ,

Like most Chinese products I wouldn't trust their quality or their customer support, and would expect the thing to spy on me 24/7.

laurelraven ,

So, basically no different than we already have...

Zorque ,

So why hail them as some revolutionary?

laurelraven ,

What, modern cars and almost everything else? Who's hailing general enshitification and literally everything we do being consumed as monetizable data points as "revolutionary"?

stoy ,

The Ora Funky Cat had an issue where it would not terminate charging consistently before unlocking the charging cable, leading to customers being greeted by a loud bang when disconnecting the cable.

T156 ,

On the bright side, if they weren't completely awake before, they would be afterwards.

JackGreenEarth ,
@JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee avatar

About the privacy issues...

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/

pineapplelover ,

I plan to rip out the power to internet in any future car I get. Cars shouldn't have to connect to the internet

dependencyinjection ,

You do realise that anything made in the USA or even sold to be used in the western world has the CIA sucking it all up.

Like sure China are gonna spy but let’s not pretend the USA, UK, Australia, and Israel ain’t spying on us all.

BlackSkinnedJew ,

Exactly..

maness300 ,

In my experience, Chinese products are way better and more affordable than American ones.

Buying American is just a scam to fool people with more money than sense.

Mark Twain was right.

hightrix ,

You must not use Amazon.

maness300 ,

I was specifically thinking about products I got on Amazon.

Headphones, especially. It really cemented in my mind that most "audiophiles" are just idiots with more money than sense trying to fit in with the same.

ramenshaman ,

In my experience, you're wrong.

maness300 ,

That's fine.

Spend your money how you want.

ramenshaman ,

I will continue to spend my money irresponsibly.

maness300 ,

You're not alone.

ramenshaman ,

In my experience, you're right.

BlackSkinnedJew ,

I wonder if the MFs who complain about Chinese stuff really thought their phone is made in Finland.. LMAO..

Coreidan ,

I don’t want any EV

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