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PersnickityPenguin ,

Does this include google assistant making robocalls or answering my phone on my behalf? I sometimes use it to setup hair cut appointments.

Spinny ,

Wait you can use Google Assistant to make calls? I just use it to filter out spam calls without answering.

InternetUser2012 ,

Let's just make robo calls illegal ok?

profdc9 ,

I, Telemarker.

jaemo ,

Ngl, it's hard to get down a mountain on those things...

Blackmist ,

OK. Enforce it then.

Block all calls unless you can verify exactly who they're from. Block all overseas VOIP bullshit. Block calls from any country that doesn't have the same call verification rules.

girthero ,

But its too hard to implement! Give us money! (telecoms probably)

droans ,

Blame the Republicans in Congress.

It took until last May for the Senate to finally confirm the fifth Commissioner. Per law, they can't create new rules or regulations when there's a vacancy.

Have you noticed that 5G was getting faster and had more coverage until it more or less stopped last year? For the first time in history, Congress did not renew the FCC's spectrum auction authority. T-Mobile bought a lot of 2.5Ghz spectrum back in 2022 but the FCC couldn't grant it to them. It wasn't until a month and a half ago that they could use it... Because Congress passed a bill that granted the authority for auctions held prior to March 2023.

They've also tried going after the VOIP services that don't follow STIR/SHAKEN or allow robocallers. But they don't have enough funding to do much more than the minimum. For the very few that they can catch, they first provide a warning period for the company to remove robocallers and correct their systems. If that fails, the FCC then permits carriers to block the provider, but they can't mandate it.

Except even that's not enough. The FCC can't take actual legal action against the providers, only the robocallers. So quite often, the provider will just change their business name, list different fake people as their executives, and then rejoin the networks as if nothing ever happened. Look up One Owl Telecom - they've done this numerous times.

____ ,

Seems you could do all of that easily enough with asterisk or any of its variants/frontends. Bonus, you can tweak the rules as you like, on the fly.

For awhile I was getting obv scam calls from china - I neither know anyone there nor do business of any kind there. That country code would be one of the first on my blacklist.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

How about this: if I get a robocall advertising a product/service or a politician's campaign I get that product or service for FREE and if it's for a politician they lose $25k from their pac or Superfund for each report (which gets donated to their opponent)?

Zuberi ,

There are more than 2 parties.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Sounds like a semantic debate. Yes, third parties exist but they don't get enough votes to win in a FPTP voting system.

I'll concede if you can show me where a third party has won a POTUS spot in the last 60 years.Sadly the history tells a different story.

Maybe the 25k can just go to me as a victim, then.

Zuberi ,

How do they donate the vote to "their opponent" when you agree there are more than one?

YeetPics , (edited )
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Divide it up amongst them all? Is it that hard?

Is this entire thread just semantic debates over my opinions or what lmao

The idea of this being a 'punishment' isn't from the direct loss of financial support, but the aid to opponents. It doesn't matter who it goes to as long as it isn't the one using robocalls to canvas voters.

Do you think I'd get 10-15 GOP funding texts and calls a week if each one was a chance for me to use their funds to help their opponents? I don't.

mPony ,

yeah then you'll have even more GOC money funding fake "Democratic Party" robocalls.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Yea except if we have a publishable reporting system (for robocalls, like the ones you're making up rn) it won't work like that will it? Being that the concept changes the status quo... This isn't super difficult to figure out if you try ;)

Laitinlok ,

Yes thanks

kromem , (edited )

It seems like most people are missing "under existing law"

Nothing is changing. The FCC is simply putting to a vote clarifying that "yes, the prohibitions regarding automated calling apply to AI generated voices too."

Kbobabob ,

I also read that as we ain't gonna do shit

wewbull ,

No need to do shit.

Smoogs ,

Yes just reaffirming that it’s just another law not enforced.

nutsack ,

didn't this happen a long time ago under Bill Clinton or something? what the fuck happened?

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Scammers who are just recording their voice: "Oh ok we're good"

Laitinlok ,

The TCPA, a 1991 US law, bans the use of artificial or prerecorded voices in most non-emergency calls "without the prior express consent of the called party."

Prerecorded calls are not allowed too.

prole ,
@prole@sh.itjust.works avatar

Right, so in other words this will change absolutely nothing just like that 1991 law did.

werefreeatlast ,

But, my car insurance? Who's going to be telling me about the extended warranty?

spongebue ,

I accidentally deleted that voice mail from the public benefits department a couple days ago and they haven't called back yet ☹️

Treczoks ,

And how is this going to deter scammers?

Wizard_Pope ,
@Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

It isn't.

HerbalGamer ,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

This has made me wonder.. have any other europeans ever had problems with these?

I don't recall ever having been called by a robot.

Nyfure ,

We sometimes get weird scam-sms, but thats about it.
(We is my family, other people dont really talk about it with others that much)

Treczoks ,

One of the reasons might be that a) robo calls are illegal here, and b) if someone uses them, they are easy to hunt down.

I once got some robocalls, all of the same makeup telling me I had won a car and should call a premium number to claim it (Ha!). I just reported those numbers to the local equivalent of the FCC, and they took it down within days.

_number8_ ,

just fucking declare robocalls illegal, jesus

Fedizen ,

politicians use them for campaigning so unlikely, but yeah they should ban robo calls that haven't been pre-authorized (having the pharmacy or whatever call should still be legal)

schnapsman ,

If they banned all robocalling, wouldn't that solve it? Can a prioritisation of quality of life over marketing include the phone space? Four US states ban billboards. With an ad blocker, the internet is usable. Nitpicking which tactics can be used in robocalls won't hardly solve the vicious spread of misinformation in this way.

Timwi ,
@Timwi@kbin.social avatar

I assume that banning all robocalls requires new legislation, whereas the regulation mentioned here didn't.

brbposting ,

banned all robocalling

Oh, I didn’t realize this was literally Nazi Germany.

A slippery slope where the next thing you know, corporations aren’t people, they’re capping the unlimited anonymous campaign contributions, and ad-supported Neuralink requires informed consent.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Had me in the first half

dirthawker0 ,

Robocalling isn't inherently bad. Utilities and such institutions that have your membership (library, gym, health care etc) should be welcome to use robocalling to notify you of useful info like emergencies or changes to their schedules. It's just the political ads, scams, and sales that need to be made illegal and punishable.

DreadPotato ,

Utilities and such institutions that have your membership (library, gym, health care etc) should be welcome to use robocalling to notify you of useful info like emergencies or changes to their schedules

Those scenarios would be better handled through email or text message. Nothing that should be handled by a robocall is urgent enough to warrant disturbing people with a phone call, it should just be text or email.

An actual emergency call, requiring your immediate attention, should absolutely not be handled by robocalls. If it doesn't require immediate attention, then a call is not necessary.

brbposting ,

Just pick up the damn phone & call me!

-an elderly neighbor on his frustration with membership text messages from the aquarium

An organization being welcome to use something doesn’t mean it’s necessary for them to do it!

What do you think about national emergencies triggering automated calls to landlines?

DreadPotato ,

What do you think about national emergencies triggering automated calls to landlines?

Well that is something that could require immediate action for your safety, so it could make sense. We have a nation-wide civil defense siren system where I live for that kind of stuff, which I believe is a much better solution than cold-calling people who may or may not even be within range of their land line.

dirthawker0 ,

Personally I want fewer text messages coming up on my mobile. I give a lot of places the landline number precisely to avoid them.

DreadPotato ,

I personally find calls to be much more annoying and disruptive than a text I can just ignore.

prole ,
@prole@sh.itjust.works avatar

The thing is, at this point, I've been so conditioned to ignore those kinds of calls, and immediately hang up if I accidentally pick one up, that I would probably miss the legitimate calls as well.

gapbetweenus ,

Since we have mail and text messages, robo alli g shlould be outlawed by Geneva Convention.

spizzat2 ,

robo alli g

Thanks for that...

Melkath ,

Good thing Trump has those "crime free zones" in the works.

One of em definitely needs to be around PHONE CALLS.

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