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grubders ,
@grubders@sopuli.xyz avatar

i thought mozilla new CEO would be better but heck no, sounds like i'll be hoping around in webkit browsers

spaduf , (edited )
@spaduf@slrpnk.net avatar

So frustrated to see how this conversation is playing out. This is exactly what people have been asking for but all anybody can seem to see is "AI" in the headline.
This pivot is about refocusing on:

  • The Browser
  • Privacy
  • Ethical AI

This seems like a much better position for Mozilla to operate from, particularly because they've excelled at producing ethical SOTA ML for YEARS before ChatGPT. In all, this seems far more forward looking than the previous strategy of "make weird little web tools to make money maybe" and it's an absolutely massive untapped niche, that they already have the talent to tap into. If we punish the players best positioned to shift the industry standard away from extreme and exploitative data collection, we will end up in exactly the Orwellian AI hellscape that we're all so afraid of.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

It is a better position and FF is going to be even better because of it. We need more options than just chromium. Open web standards dont stay open when everyone congregates.

Kecessa ,

No one asked for AI

spaduf ,
@spaduf@slrpnk.net avatar

In this context or generally?

Kecessa ,

In the context of Firefox

Holyginz ,

No one asked for the shitty LLMs masquerading as AI. However, an AI that can do specialized things to help people out in day to day tasks would be great.

drdiddlybadger ,
@drdiddlybadger@pawb.social avatar

Oh god dammit

yojimbo ,

Firefox on Android doesn't support keyboard shortcuts - for the last 12 years. Sooo - let's add the bloody AI, that is going to help

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

to be fair, most people aren't using physical keyboards with their phones, this mostly applies to tablets (which are much less popular) and android tv (where firefox isn't even officially supported anymore)

anyway, even without that issue, the android version of firefox is kinda janky and regularly gets stuck while loading websites

yojimbo ,

bt keyboards can be absolutelly critical for some users with disabilities. most of the developing world can't afford to own several devices like a computer and a phone.

Blisterexe ,
@Blisterexe@lemmy.zip avatar
  1. They're not adding ai to Firefox, at least that's not what the memo said, the memo said they were refocusing on Firefox (firing people who worked on their metaverse thing for example), and doing so on the side.
  2. They specifically stated that Firefox mobile is a big focus moving fowards
Siegfried ,

Why are u using a keyboard on a smart phone? Is that a thing?

hatsa122 ,

Plz not you mozilla, you are one of the last good guys that remains from the early days

bigMouthCommie ,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

hard to tell what your objection is. i think layoffs are sad, and i hope it wasn't a matter of corporate greed. but i'm excited for the AI thing

LightDelaBlue ,
@LightDelaBlue@lemmy.world avatar

FF no !

WallEx ,

I get that people are upset, because this fucking buzzword is haunting us. I'm just hoping that they don't jump on that BS-bandwaggon and create something actually useful. But we'll see I guess ...

frozen ,
@frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

Yeah, it's a hate-train for AI, I definitely get it, but Mozilla seems to be using it for actually useful things. Offline translation and fake reviewing checking for Amazon are pretty cool, in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I'm not brand loyal, and I'm ready to jump ship to a FLOSS alternative as soon as they do something stupid. I'll just keep using Firefox until they do.

WallEx ,

Yep, thats my impression too. Let's hope for some actual useful ai

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

It's only a buzzword to people who've already decided it's a buzzword and are refusing to consider its actual good uses, of which there are plenty.

Being part of angry mobs is fun.

WallEx ,

Sure is, but doesn't mostly lead anywhere

NocturnalMorning ,

Guess it's time to get off the internet.

seth ,

There's always trusty Lynx!

Caboose12000 ,

ew.

heavyboots ,
@heavyboots@lemmy.ml avatar

I would fucking rather pay not to have AI in my browser, FFS…

snownyte ,
@snownyte@kbin.social avatar

And the fanboys will still eat this up. "BECAUSE IT'S NOT CHROME!1!" - their reason.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

Not Chrome is an important reason however. Which makes this all the worse.

buddascrayon ,

LoL, and I had been contemplating switching to Firefox on my phone. Fucking nope! Not gonna board a ship that has decided to follow the pack into the ice...

twoshoes ,

I'm using chrome on phone, because it's basically part of the operating system, but I did like Fennec. It's a fork of Firefox mobile with a few more privacy features (or so they advertise)

buddascrayon ,

I'm just using Brave (yes, I know but it doesn't annoy ME so I'm fine with it) which is just Chrome without the constraints.

havokdj ,

Chromium is chrome without the constraints, Brave just has a different master holding the keys.

Not saying brave is bad btw, but chromium itself is literally the master branch for all of these different browsers

buddascrayon ,

I did address that. I am fully aware of Brave's faults. But the benefits to me outweigh the negatives. Besides which, there isn't a browser in existence that doesn't collect data on you. Not unless you go ahead and compile your own. So I choose the one that is blatantly not following the rules and allows me some leeway to enjoy the web the way I like. It's also not the only browser on my phone. Chrome is obviously still here but so is Duckduckgo and I do have Firefox on here even though I never actually use it.

kzhe ,

Chromite? Fennec? Iceraven? Lots of mobile browsers without telemetry on android.

buddascrayon ,

Cromite and Fennec I've seen and don't trust their security at all. Better the devil you know and all that. But Iceraven is new to me and will have to look into that one. So thanks

kzhe ,

Just remembered Mull. Have you heard of it?

milicent_bystandr ,

To be fair, I'll take the ship at the back of the ice-kamakaze-pack over the one at the front. More time to jump ship when something better comes by.

cikano ,

So instead you're using a browser by companies already in the ice?

buddascrayon ,

Jumping ship means trying to go in a different direction. I'm not gonna upheave my entire online presence just to get onboard with a company who is not only going the same way, but is woefully behind in the race to go that way.

Etterra ,

Well it'll be fun trying to find a replacement that doesn't small use anything made by Google, like Opera does.

laughterlaughter ,

Librewolf, Pale Moon and Iceweasel.

EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

fuck firefox! it's been full of bloat for almost 10 years now. Use Librewolf instead.

Emerald ,

Weird to say fuck firefox and then suggest using basically just firefox instead

EmperorHenry , (edited )
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

That's not all of what I said

Firefox is full of tracking from advertising companies and Google now

Librewolf is Firefox without the bloat and hardening done out of the box

Emerald ,

i get your point, but librewolf relies on firefox development to stay afloat, therefore i wouldn't want to be so quick to say firefox is terrible.

mellowheat , (edited )
laverabe ,

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